seekhelp
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Why is it when I read the bottle of a Deseret Biologicals Product (i.e., EBV), I'm lost as can be?
I'm so clueless about the crap in these things. My holistic doc said they don't interact with anything, fine to take with a Babesia Tx, etc.
if it's just 'water', how does it work? There's a list of ingredients a mile long, but they all mean absolutely nothing. Are these products truly safe?
I must admit I do feel funny after taking 10 drops of the EBV product. What does this mean though? I start coughing more (which I never do). Am I poisoning myself? Can anyone really say good stuff about homeopathics and truly understands what they put in their mouth?
My doc did some ART testing using a funny ring circle method. It was the oddest thing I've seen. She said she could tell if my fingers would break apart immediately?
I'm also supposed to take Deseret Biologicals Lym formula and something called Total Mercury to remove mercury. She didn't recommend any binders though and didn't seem to know much about them when I asked. Can a homeopathic remedy even pull Mercury?
Lastly, does a homeopathic tincture put any stress on major organs such as kidneys, liver, etc?
It seems everytime I take the EBV one, I get a little pain near the spleen area. How strange. I didn't have it before I took them. Posts: 7545 | From The 5th Dimension - The Twilight Zone | Registered: Mar 2008
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Hi Seek,
My doc (alternative) tested me with the same 'pulling fingers apart' ART testing . It did seem crazy and sometimes I felt that she was just *pretending* to pull. At other times, I did feel that my fingers went weak.
I was also told no interaction between homeopathics and abx. But I have a definate reaction to the homeopathics (symptoms worsening). So what I think was meant is that the homeopathics and abx won't kill your liver or kidneys....but combined, I know that they pack a powerful punch.
I too asked about a binder for the mercury detox. Cilantro paste was mentioned but never given? I know enough to take a binder.
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There are many sites about homeopathy. Just google and read. Yes, chemically, most of it is just water.
But not any water, as it is succussed.
You don't have to believe it for it to work. Like the finger pull, no need to believe. Only after few months doing that, you'll feel exactly when your muscles get weak even if you have no idea what the practioner is measuring.
It is specially clear when they use the arm to measure the exact amount of remedy. My naturopath will pour one drop into a glass, without my knowledge (because I can't see what she's doing behind me), then test my arm force.
She'll then continue adding drops, one by one, until my arm cannot hold anymore. I felt the strength changing with every pull. It happened countless times.
Coughing could be detoxing? It could be other things too (like symptoms shifting)? I was always glad when my symptoms changed with whatever treatment I was doing because I felt like something going on.
The worse was to be stuck on the same symptoms for weeks. That was scary for me. The ever changing symptoms happened the WHOLE time when I got some right treatment. Symptoms changing will never stop until you get rid of them all. Believe me.
When symptoms don't change anymore, get another treatment because then you got stuck. My opinion.
Many are the homeopathic formulas to get rid of mercury. I don't believe they do by their own, but I think they can help. It's just one more tool on the metal detox JOURNEY.
It is a 'journey'. I'm on my 3rd year of metal detox, still detoxing metals, believe it or not.
It doesn't mean all methods have failed. It is just that it is VERY difficult to take these damm metals out when they go intracellular and when you had a life long accumulation without knowing. Just read this forum and you'll see the journey many of us are in.
It's really like peeling onions. I got loads of metals being flushed with various methods and as I told you, they still pour out. I'm now on the KPU protocol, just adding zinc and manganese and other supplements and believe me, this is awesome. It can knock many people down if done too fast.
Cilantro is not a binder, that I know. It will mobilize more than clean. Binders are chlorella (even if it mobilizes a bit too), charcoal... I only took it in very specific times of metal detox. Too much can be dangerous.
I would NEVER take it if I hadn't been using chlorella for at least 2-3 months daily. Chlorella won't go intracellular, so it's a good cleanser at first. If you add cilantro in the beginning of detox, you'll get stuck.
No problem for interaction between homeopathics and alopathics, as far as I know. My homeopath uses both many times. He's also a medical doctor.
The 'mile long list meaning nothing' in fact means a lot of things! They just add all these into the bottle, but there's probably no lab today in the world that is able to find the chemicals. Believe me, the chemicals must be there, but in very minute amounts.
The logic with homeopathy goes like this: the more diluted a product, the stronger it is. Go figure. I could only believe that because I've been using homeopathy for certainly more than a decade.
Now, I ONLY use homeopathy (except for the KPU), for any cold, flu, candida, strep, staph, escherichia coli, any intestinal infection... I'm no longer using any herbs even. Eventually propolis sometimes but that's all.
The rest, ONLY homeopathics. This thing is powerful and efficient if used in the right dilution and if the practioner discover the right substance you need.
Just google homeopathy. No need to believe, just go on treating and you'll get to feel of it with experience.
There's also someone now using injected homeopathics and he's got a blog (he posts here as Mjoey). He said once that he got really knocked down with water! It is not water, it is succussed water with an initial imprint.
The effect of homeopathy can also last much longer than chemicals or herbs. It is truly amazing. Besides, once you got an initial source, you can prepare everything at home for future use, so it is also very cost effective.
Again, google 'how to make own homeopathy product' or so.
Good luck in your treatments!
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About safety, chemically they are mostly water with a frequency, right?
I know that abx are absolutely not safe. Just read about the side effects.
Homeopathy is so safe that it's getting banned slowly all over the world. Probably pharmaceutical industries are not glad with the fact that children, babies, pregnant mothers, old people, anyone can take these remedies almost any time and they do work many times, without side effects.
I have tried to find many homeopathic products already that existed in the market before but now are banned in Germany, Switzerland, Portugal, Belgium. Every MONTH, the list of banned homeopathic products becomes bigger.
Same as with herbs, more and more herbs will be taken off from us. Like stevia. It's ridiculous that in Germany, stevia cannot be sold because it sweetens things without causing any health problem like sugars, or sweeteners. It is even beneficial. Therefore, a reason to forbid it.
Natural health shops have to sell it hidden (stevia leaves). And in the label, anyway, it's written 'only for cosmetic purposes'. Whatever this means... but NOT to be ingested!!!
One potent antiviral sold by Sanum, that is called Grifokehl, an amazing antiviral that could probably save many lives with flu, for instance, is now forbidden in Germany, Switzerland, Belgium, Portugal, probably in many other countries. Many lyme sufferers would benefit from it if they knew about it. But now, it's not sold anymore.
I keep my last sample like gold. But what will happen when it will finish, my sample?
Grifokehl is just one of the products. I tried to find Recarcin, Latensin, many other immuno stimulants or immuno modulators but they vanished. Even Sanukehl Brucel, that is said to help killing borrelia... Gone.
Why are they getting banned?
Safe products, no side effects, anyone can take them, they never kill like many drugs can kill. And on top, they still work. That's why they are banned.
sorry for ranting here. I get mad when good remedies disappear for no reason other than greed.
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Selma,
I think this paranoia within the medical community is creating a police state. When I hear the banning of perfectly save remedies and herbs, it is like the books banned in Orwells 1984.
We are at a time of forced vaccination. We have the directory of the CDC justifying this approach to protect the hurd. When did humans become cattle and when did we lose our individuality.
So seek, you might not have to be confused for very long. Allopathic medicine will make sure there is only one cure. I suspect the new high court will be in the form of a medical review board.
Selma -- I'm ranting right with you...
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There is NOTHING in homeopathics except an energy pattern or energy patterns.
Those patterns, in my understanding, stimulate your bodys healing response. I think it tells the body "Hey ! Pay more attention to this."
Binders you may add are a physical presence. With homeopathics they again probably stimulate your body to use its own organs of excretion more effectively.
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Thanks very much for the help everyone.
Based on my reaction, my gut feel is there may be something to this stuff after all. If I'm wrong, I'll be first to admit it.
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On the ring testing it is muscle testing using finger + hand muscles.
I have found it is a decent test.
And if my memory is right about 40% of health care in some european countries is...............homeopathic
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True homeopathics DO come from an original substance such as EBV virus. They are then diluted and whether or not they still contain anything other than energy depends on the dilution that is being used.
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I know homeopathics have definitely played a huge role in my healing over the years- I once had battery acid ( from a AA battery not a car battery or anything) in my eye-couldn't see... long story how it got in there- but, anyway- instead of going to the ER- I called my homeopath...sure enough within 25 minutes- it started working and my eyes healed completely within 2 days.So, since then...I'm a firm believer that it works.
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Scot is right, there can be something in an homeopathic dilution depending on the dilution. I think that after D24 or C12 or something like that, no one can find any more original substance in the dilutions (the Avogadro number).
MOST of the products we use come in higher dilutions though.
But as I said, it doesn't mean the substance is not there anymore, it's just too diluted to be found. -------
What is being 'banned' is the SOURCE of the remedies. Which means that, independent of the dilution, the whole SERIES of remedies disappear.
I just checked now for Grifokehl, this potent anti viral I told above. The source is fortunately Grifola frondosa, which is called Maitake (a mushroom) that I find fresh here in Korea. I guess though that the forest grown ones are more potent than the supermarket version.
I will buy it and try to do a tincture to see if I can use it as a source and compare it energetically to my Grifokehl from Sanum.
Ok, we can eat Maitake (in English is called Hen of Woods, Ram's Head, Sheep's head), right?
Look what Wikipedia says about Maitake:
"The underground tubers from which hen of the woods arises have been used in traditional Chinese and Japanese medicine to enhance the immune system.
Researchers have also indicated that whole maitake has the ability to regulate blood pressure, glucose, insulin, and both serum and liver lipids, such as cholesterol, triglycerides, and phospholipids, and may also be useful for weight loss.
Maitake is rich in minerals (such as potassium, calcium, and magnesium), various vitamins (B2, D2 and Niacin), fibers and amino acids. One active constituent in Maitake for enhancing the immune activity was identified in the late 1980s as a protein-bound beta-glucan compound."
If I'm not mistaken, Maitake is inside the list dr. B recommends as supportive of the immune system for lyme sufferers, right?
Well, the SAME Maitake is banned as a source for homeopathic remedies. There's ABSOLUTELY no danger in eating Maitake, in supplementation with Maitake, right?
When you do an homeopathic product, the original Maitake effect and the homeopathic effect are NOT the same. There can be an enhancing medicinal effect or the effect can be quite different from the original mushroom.
But in any way, Maitake is safe. It is consumed for centuries in China, Japan and Korea, right? Why banning it as an homeopathic dilution?
I can still find dry Maitake in Germany. But not anymore Grifokehl as an anti-viral!!!!
The ONLY explanation I can find it that it was banned because it works. It works too well to be left in the market.
But if I want to prevent the flu, I can get a jab of the almost UNTESTED vaccine, FULL OF SIDE EFFECTS that are ADMITTED by the makers (just read the information on the vaccine package).
But no way to self medicate myself with a safe product made of a comestible mushroom!! Unless I do it by myself.
Unfortunately, not all mushrooms are easy source for us. Like Candida albicans, for example. I'm just waiting to see when they will forbid the anti-candida products from Sanum.
It will come, I'm pretty sure. Just because these products work. I fought candida for two decades! These sanum combinations are the best thing for candida, i have no doubt.
--- Yes, Bob, unfortunately, '1984' is very much our time. Just see all of us fighting lyme...
At the same time, it can't go on like that.
At least, I hope things will change because of the whole 'system' is undermining itself.
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Have had some homeopathics made from a computerized machine that have worked well.
My mentor uses classical homeopathy and he does the same with his laptop and a special program.
So no physical ingredients at all + good results.
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Previously there was little "official" interest in homeopathics because there was "nothing" in them.
Now that people use them + DO get results there is government interest in banning them.
For the recognition of alternative medicines. They need 1 million signatures, so far got only 7,000.
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Thanks Brussels. I will inquire more with the people I know that do it that way.
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I like your spunk selma, keep fighting the good fight.
On the topic of homeopathy, I make my own now. I'm basing it on the theory that using water is best if it is in our own field of energy. There is a surface tension to water. When water is in our own hands it molecularly changes to match the surface tension in our bodies.
I think it makes the remedy more powerful to our personal needs.
There are a great many techniques to be used beyond water's surface tension to increase the strength of a remedy. Either from the tincturing process, which includes the lunar cycle, the nature of the substances used, etc... The environment where succussion is to take place, I wonder about the quality of a remedy if made in the middle of wall street. The quality of the water used, poluted water or holy water.
I think all substances can be acquired and tinctured if need be. Then created into homeopathic cures.
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How on earth do you get a hold of live Borrelia Lymie or a Strep virus?
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You go to the woods with a sweeping cloth. There is all kinds of ticks out there. I bet just one of them has lyme. Don't you think? If you trust in energetic testing, I'm sure you can create what you need to help yourself.
As far as strep, there are many natural remedies that can be created if need be.
Seek just think out of the box a little. Many things are possible, if you do. I believe all I've learned from when I was young put me inside the box. For instance, the doctor has a magic pill that will get you well. Anybody still believe in that one?
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Seekhelp, just buy the homeopathic dilution like we all do. Easiest and safest.
I bought mine in in Germany. There is another good source in Mexico, it seems. I just heard about this source, this doc that sells borrelia nosodes. If you'd like to buy from him, I can copy paste his contact. Send me a PM.
I bought two strains, the borr. burg and borr. garinii from Stauphen pharma Germany and from another pharmacy in Belgium.
If you want the remedies for INGESTION, buy it from Belgium (called Pharmacie Hildegard, in Brussels). Google with the name 'Bruxelles' instead.
the Stauphen pharma borrelia nosodes I bought were not for ingestion. But they might have for ingestion too.
Strep: there is Sanukehl Strep from Sanum. They have the best homeopathic treatment for Strep (made from strep toxins / L-forms, not exactly strep bacteria). Or buy it in Desbio, like most people in the US. But for strep, Sanum beats any nosodes, I believe, because they treat strep toxins.
Many times, it is not the bacteria or virus that causes disease or kill (like tetanus), it is the toxin produced by them. Sanum seems to sometimes use these toxins (if I understood well) as sources for many remedies, NOT the microorganism itself.
Strep and Staph products from Sanum don't contain the original microorganism, if I understood it well. All Sanukehls from Sanum don't. But the foundation remedies do contain microorganisms as sources.
You could do like Bob recommend, but I wouldn't at first. Just for safety. I do my own, in case I get bitten by a tick, but I've been doing homeopathic remedies for a while to feel safe (I even give them to my small daughter when she gets bitten).
I smash many live creatures to prepare homeopathic remedies. But I wouldn't do it at first because it sounds yucky, it sounds dangerous, etc.
You can also use your own blood, your stools, your urine, your saliva to prepare auto-nosodes. They will target only the critters found inside you. That I would recommend, if you or your practioner know what to do with a big herx.
Google how to make your own homeopathic remedies.
You can adventure on your own autonosode! Beware though severe herxes. That's the danger, like all treatments that kill pathogens.
Everyone who went to Germany and got treated with the Bionic are/were on homeopathic borrelia nosodes, then many followed on with own blood autonosodes. If you want more info, go to yahoo group 'Bionic/PE1'.
Herxes can be severe, really bad, so beware. These are antimicrobials. These remedies make your body go against the microbes.
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