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My mouth and tongue feel like they have been burned all the time now. Is this connected to candida or something else? I did the candida diet with herbs but this burning still remains. What is it?
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Leelee
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I have a similar problem. For the past few years I have felt like the tip of my tongue is burning. I described it to my LLMD as feeling like it had hot sauce on it all the time.
My bottom front teeth frequently cramp and feel like they are seizing up, if that makes any sense. Not quite a burning feeling, but close.
I read somewhere that the burning or prickly tongue can be Lyme. I have always wondered if it was yeast too.
At any rate I have been on abx for Lyme, Bart and Babs for eight months now and there has been no change in those problems. I started a one-week course of Diflucan for yeast control last Thursday and as yet the burning/cramping is still there.
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I have the symptom of burning tongue frequently. It's like I've had hot sauce. I think it is just a symptom of "one" of the tick infections. My Dr. thought reflux but it's not. I will start getting burning sensations in my feet, legs and my tongue will start burning at the same time. The tongue is a muscle so I just think it's related. I have found nothing to help. It just burns One of the many symptoms of this disease I hate.......
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- I suffered through four years - not one day without - constant burning mouth. NO ONE could help. Nothing helped. I would even be doubled over in pain from that, I could not eat or even drink anything without it adding "fuel" to the flames (although slightly warm water seemed to work best). Four years straight.
For me, candida was not a problem as I've not been on abx for many years (can't tolerate them). And I'm always on a candida protocol as it's just sort of healthy eating, anyway. Even with that, the burning mouth persisted.
I do think that "burning mouth" is cause by some deep infection (or combination of infections).
Seriously, I nearly killed myself over the pain it was that bad for that long with no medical person able to help. I tried all sorts of treatments, both suggestions from dentist, MD, and my naturopathic doctor. Most suggestions actually made it worse.
Aloe was suggested and that can be soothing but it will not treat infection. It did not work for me. Be sure to avoid steroids.
Finally, by chance, when I started on Andrographis, within one week it was gone, even at the starting dose. I had had many aphthous ulcers, too, and the andrographis greatly diminished those.
It's been about 1 1/2 yrs. now on andrographis. I go off for a few days here or there or a week, tops. When off of it, the uclers do start to come back but die down once I get back on it.
I highly recommended getting this, start slowly and even chew up one capsule and let it stay in your mouth - add a touch of coconut oil and maybe a partial capsule of licorice opened up to balance the bitterness.
You can also search VitaCost for "CankerMelts" - they help but are not enough by any means. They also make a B-12 mouth disc. Again, good but not enough without andrographis.
You can read more about it in Buhner's "Healing Lyme" book - also do a search here for extensive detail on andrographis posted in previous threads. Look for it in the title or subject line of the medical forum.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you Keebler. I've ordered the andrographis and hope it works for me. I'm getting close to not being able to tolerate all this any longer.
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Thank you, Keebler.
I was able to find this at a natural food store/apothecary this morning.
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- Hope it helps.
* Avoid chemical toothpastes
It is best to also avoid most regular toothpastes as many contain sodium laurel sulfate, petroleum products or harsh chemicals. Even some of the natural toothpaste were very caustic to my mouth and burn. Anything with mint seemed to burn.
I just use BAKING SODA. I get my brush wet, sprinkle on a little, let it melt a bit so that it does not scratch enamel.
Read about andrographis first from above links. Not so much side-effects but properties of this herb:
* Even in dogs, andrographis increases tiredness.
Start slowly. Plan ahead and decrease expectations of being Wonder Woman or Superman. It might increase tiredness at first, but the rest is good. Helps tremendously with sleep but be ready to dash to the bathroom in the middle of the night at first.
* Water output. Water intake.
For me, increased urine output but I was delighted that the size of my ankles decreased tremendously, showing its help in reducing edema.
DRINK LOTS of WATER. You will need to replenish. This helps move out toxins.
* Calms nervous system and calms tinnitus.
For me, it decreased the level at which even slight noises irritate my brain (and that decreases seizures for me). So, I can tell it does have a calming effect on the nervous system.
Sadly, for me, it did not help to lessen hyperacusis at all, though it may do so in others. It just lessened the way I'd fly across the room from sound.
* Bitter taste. Add licorice or DGL. Coconut oil helps it melt in mouth. Coconut oil also can soothe the mouth but did nothing to solve the problem by itself.
It tastes bitter but I don't care. You can get licorice capsules and open them in your mouth. Do not use too much licorice at night as it can be excitatory. You can read more about licorice, too. It is good for adrenals but you don't want to overdo it as it can increase heart rate for a few people. But the andrographis really should balance that out, if so.
* You can combine with allicin
Andrographis is a cold herb, and they are usually sedating. Allicin is a hot herb which is usually energizing.
Therefore, Allicin capsules can help with the mouth, too, and with a little energy, especially during the day, to balance out the tiredness and help with antimicrobial nature. Do NOT break allicin in your mouth. It will burn. Swallow whole with some food in your stomach.
As I recall, when I was on the Zhang protocol, my mouth got much better, too (and that did not incorporate andrographis). However, when my funds ran out, I had to stop that.
So, if andrographis makes you too tired, and if adding allicin is not enough, Allicin with the Zhang protocol may help. ( http://www.sinomedresearch.org or to through www.hepapro.com )
I'm assuming, though, that most reading this are on abx protocol. I've not had that as an option but either andrographis or allicin (or both) are often added to abx protocol by some LLMDs.
* Get a waterpik if you don't have one already. It really helps to clean out the debris around the gums that can contribute to infection. Keep mouth clean. Brush gently in the middle of the day, too. Floss, of course. Desert Essence Tea Tree Floss seems to help. The Tea Tree oil is antimicrobial.
* IODINE can help keep infection down in mouth
A drop of iodine in water, switch, hold in mouth and either spit out or swallow (helps thryoid but can be excitatory for some if they don't need it). I use Atomidine. ONE drop - no more, in the morning after I have brushed after eating. I take a swig of water and, looking in mirror, add ONE drop. If more drops out of the dropper, I do not swallow that as too much iodine can increase heart rate and irritates the nervous system.
If used only as a rinse to be spit out, you can do this a couple times a day.
Oh, my. I nearly forgot:
* SEA SALT rinse. You can do this many times throughout the day. Swish often. If the salt burns, add more warm water. It does not - and should not - be at the concentration that would burn.
* PROBIOTICS - be sure to swallow some for your GI tract but also open up a capsule in your mouth and let it coat your mouth for as along as you can before taking a drink or eating. Do this a couple times a day.
Caution: do not take a breath in while opening a capsule into your mouth. As obvious as that sounds, it's not easy to coordinate that or to close off the back of the mouth. Since the powder is so fine it can set off a long coughing spell if inhaled.
Hope some or all of this helps. Good luck. -
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- From my file notes on licorice. Note: neither licorice nor DGL will be enough on its own.
Getting some DGL to chew can be soothing and you can mix it with andrographis in your mouth. DGL is naturally sweet and will balance the bitterness of andrographis. DGL will not increase heart rate as regular licorice can for some.
However, DGL may not be as effective for adrenals as regular licorice if you take it for that reason.
As regular licorice can cause edema for some, the andrographis' fine effect of reducing edema would likely balance that out.
WHAT IT DOES: Licorice root is sweet in taste and cooling in action. It detoxifies poisons from the blood and liver, and reduces general inflammation and pain. It moistens and heals the lungs and digestive tract.
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This led to the development of DGL (deglycyrrhizinated licorice), a form of licorice that does not contain the agents responsible for the side effects such as electrolyte changes.
The de-acidified DGL tablet or capsule form used in Europe and America is therefore devoid of any major side effects, and is effective for healing the intestinal membranes. Because it is chewable, it also is helpful to the esophagus.
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[regarding regular licorice] . . . Many patients express concerns about using licorice because they have seen negative press coverage of this herb.
It is important to understand that these reported concerns are dose-related. Licorice is traditionally used as approximately five percent of a formula, and that is what I usually do with it.
If a patient takes the typical six to nine grams of concentrated 4:1 powder per day, this works out to about 1.2-1.8 grams of licorice, well within recommended dosage levels.
Personally, I've never seen any of the potassium depletion and sodium retention effects described in the literature, and the pharmacologists I've consulted with assure me that such effects are rare, and easily reversible simply by stopping use.
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Research Highlights
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According to several studies, DGL licorice is a very effective ulcer treatment
Hepatoprotective: Licorice reduces liver inflammation; in high doses, it inhibits the viruses that cause liver inflammation.
Phlegm-resolving: Licorice is used for cough with difficult to expectorate sputum (e.g., with common cold, bronchitis, chronic sputum production). It is considered demulcent, useful for dry-phlegm conditions that cause hoarseness and wheezing.
Modern findings: The herb has powerful anti-inflammatory actions, the effect being due to both its saponin and flavonoid content.
- cont'd at link above.
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On page 148 and, again, on page 166, Singleton suggests using licorice to help support adrenal function.
This book, by an ILADS member LLMD, holds great information about treatments options and support measures:
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I had this symptom at one time and posted here for help (if you want to go back and search responses). It cleared up after months of antibiotic treatment.
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