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oh and for anyone with knowledge- can zhang's artemesia be used alone? i visited hepapro's webesite and see there are 2 kinds
does anyone know what the difference between these two is? i am interested in using whichever is the equivilent of wormwood- for parasites- recommended by my son's LLMD.
also, does anyone know if enula can be takin in conjunction with samento or cumanda??
djf2005
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I am taking enula at bedtime while following the condensed cowden protocol (banderol and samento. etc) during the day.
I am finding enula very hard to tolerate, and have a history of having difficulty tolerating artemensin, hbot, and every other anti parasitic therapy. At the time I was not sure what all this was hitting, now I tend to think parasites are a large part of the picture.
Wormwood basically is art.
Good luck
Derek
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thanks djf, gee, i'm up to 3 drops of samento and haven't felt a thing- but i must admit i'm nervious to keep going up with it- and nervious to try the enula
i wish i could finds some more success stories with cowden!
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I was dx this August and did Doxy for 3 months and felt much MUCH worse. The exhaustion, muscle pains, nausea just increased. And i am trying to work. Plus all the candida stuff. So, I quit the doxy. I found an LLMD (really DO) does who does energy medicine and Cowden's He started me on some Cowden formulas on 11/16. He said that first he was going to build me up and address the viruses and endocrin stuff before directly going after the Lyme. He also started me on low dose Naltrexone and increased my thyroid meds. I am seeing some improvement in ability to sleep, in feeling creative, have a bit more energy, and I feel a bit of brain fog has lifted. The stomach stuff is definately better. I still have all my symptoms, but not quite as bad. He states that both he and his wife have Lyme and that he is quite improved. That alone gives me hope. He told me that if people don't respond to the Cowden's, he uses the Marshall Protocol. So I know there are other things to do if I don't get significantly better. All this is very pricey. Hope this helps, Carol
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gwb
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Carol, that's wonderful that you found a lyme literate DO. I'm glad that you are starting to feel better.
I noticed you are in Texas. Are you being treated by a LLDO in Texas? Would you mind sending me a pm with his name and contact information?
I'm really thrilled that you are doing well on your protocol. This is encouraging to me. I look forward to getting your pm and hope that maybe this DO isn't too far from where I live in OK and possibly I could go and see him.
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I completely understand your anger toward the medical community for ignoring lyme which is epidemic and probably the actual cause of many diseases. I feel exploited by the manufacturers of the drugs and herbal products that are promoted to cure us but don't.
One bottle of HH-2 has 45 capsules and costs $38. According to Dr. S a man needs to take 25 capsules a day so one bottle would not last you two days! My bottle lasted three days but it did not cure me or even keep me in remission. And I am not one of those people that usually does not respond and gets sicker and sicker. I am very healthy, generally speaking and have had very quick responses to abx but simply have a sensitive system that cannot take them for long periods of time. I can't even drink coffee or take cold medicine. HH, by the way is a common garden plant called Camelion. It is extremely invasive so you could grow your own, put leaves in your salads etc. I use a lot of herbs, always have so I am also not a person that does not value them or have success using them.
Someone on another site did a research on HH and says they found the manufacturer of Zhang's herbs. The HH is much better than any other manufacturer but he could not buy it directly unless he bought huge amounts. However, the cost to Zhang (he figured) was $0.28 a bottle and with packaging came to about $1.50.
If I was going to do another herbal protocol I would do Buhner because he is not selling the herbs that he promotes. He gives reputable sites where you can buy the herbs in his book but you can get them elsewhere. It is still expensive but not nearly so much as Cowden or Zhang.
I did have better luck controlling lyme with herbs, than I did with bartonella. You can buy toa free cat's claw in capsules - I got 90 500mg capsules for about $60 and it seemed to help keep things under control, taking one three times a day.. I also used grapefruit seed extract which is easy to find - 1000 mg. For bart Buhner recommends resveratrol and stephania. Resveratrol is a powerful antioxidant so it is good to take any way. Recently Dr Oz said if he were going to recommend taking just one supplement a day it would be resveratrol.
There are a lot of very important supplements that need to be taken to help support our immune systems, detox, and replace minerals and vitamins that are depleted because of disease. It is imperative that we do not drink, smoke, eat any sugar or highly processed food. You just have to let go of bad habits and begin to think about everything that goes into your mouth as being nutrition. I was amazed the other day when a post brought up the sickest people on another forum and it turns out they are all long time smokers! How dumb is that?
Good luck with finding something that works for you. You might also try Diflucan, which is not an abx and helps kill lyme as well as yeast.
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I enjoyed almost 8 months of remission on limited cowden protocol but just recently had some symptoms come back and now back on abx.
I had orginally been on 14 months of various abx regimins before going into remission.
I liked Cowden... I think it helped a lot but didn't stand up for the long haul.
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I did Cowden religiously for 6 months straight and never missed a dose, no matter what. No
matter who had to watch me put ten thousand drops into a glass and then ask me what was wrong with me.I did not notice one thing.
I did not feel better or worse. i changed my diet to a lyme friendly diet and lost like 12 pounds. I was already skinny and I don't know if it was
the protocol or diet, probably both. I quit the protocol after 6 months in oct. 08 and spent probably $3,000 not counting other suppliments. I
just found this post because I was trying to research Dr. Z
I find that when researching anything on here I wind up getting so frustrated because there never seems to be a real solid conclusion because we are all different.
Good Luck Gary
brad
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