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sparkle7
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I tried Juice Plus. Didn't seem to do much for me. I'd rather do actual juicing. I did that for a while & I didn't notice much of a change in my health.
I really like fresh juice but it's very time consuming. I go through phases where I get stuff to juice & do it often, then I get lax...
I think it's great but does it actually boost NK cells or improve immune function?
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Amanda
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The list of things I have tried for immune boosting is incredible. For every supplement.herb/therapy, I try it for 6 weeks, then have bloodwork drawn to look at my immune cell counts, and whether I am feeling better.
The only thing that seems to work is high doses of Mepron, and Bicillin CR with my other abx. But the bicillin effect only last for 12 weeks, then it loses its effect, so I have to back away from it, then try it again. I think I need IV.
Anyway, I tried all the things you mentioned above plus
IV Vitmin C once a week Low level laser therapy 3 different chiropractic modalites Craniel sarcal low dose naltrexone low carb/no sugar diet lots a fresh veggies and juice massage Cowden protocol Buhner herbs numerous detox methodologies every kind of mushroom or mushroom extract you can imagine (except hallucinagines, maybe I should try that next) Cats Claw (TOA free and with TOA) there is more but I can't recall at the moment
I sure wish I had all that money back to pay for IV....
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sparkle7
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Amanda - If you use Mepron and Bicillin CR to boost the immune function, how long can you actually do that?
If you stop taking it, your immune function goes down. Is there anything that we can take long term or alternatively to boost the immune function?
The drugs are very expensive & have side effects. I wouldn't want to be on abx indefinitely.
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sparkle,
What made you think juice plus wasn't working? just curious?
Cuz I often don't know what people expect from something like juice plus. it does most of it's work behind closed doors. Far from an energy drink if you know what I mean.
You'll find yourself never sick though. I like that part : )
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Best thing a person probably can do as for immune supplements is to get their vitamin D levels tested, and if deficient (or lowish), supplement with a D3 gel.
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sparkle7
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I didn't feel any different from the Juice Plus. I've taken alot of different supplements. I guess it's hard to tell with some as to whether anything is happening.
I've gotten to the point that if I don't actually feel different or something - I don't take it. I rotate things & I take a multi-vitamin & minerals to cover the bases.
I guess the Juice Plus seemed like it was "dead" & that actual fruits & veggies were a better bet to get phytonutrients. I try to eat well & eat lots of fresh fruit & veggies.
It's kind of a longer story. PM me if you'd like further details.
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ukcarry
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I've just started Kirkman's Beta Glucan, so I'll report if I notice a difference after a while of use.
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i ve tried all there is (and burrascano recommends) like bovine colostrum, green tea pills and so on (even from expensive pharmanex). nothing helped. i concentrate on abx now again.
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Dawn in VA
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Since winter began, I've tried 2 new supplements, the colostrum and elderberry, which, out of many, are among the three immune-boosters I like that I would recommend:
-Six-hour Colostrum (I did not notice anything from other colostrum products, only this one) -Allicin (applied to back of throat during colds and taken as whole caps) -Elderberry extract syrup
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sutherngrl
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I also felt nothing from juice plus.
I started improving on the following.....low dose Doxy, extra vitamin C, juicing veggies and fruits, and drinking green tea. Before this I did take certain supplements and vitamins and still take them, but when adding these, things started to get better for me.
Now which one is the one, or if its the combo of all, or just my time, who knows.
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MariaA
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immune modulators are very different than immune stimulants. The way that the modulators (or 'immune amphoterics' work is that they'll bring down excess inflammation as well as raise underactive components of the immune system. It's complicated stuff that's been studied more in Russia in the 60's when they were trying to figure out how to make people work in adverse conditions better- Buhner goes into it a little in his book, and herbalist David Winston talks about it a lot in his book Adaptogens.
Some traditional Chinese and ayurvedic herbal medicine tonics/adaptogens are supposedly more like an overall immune activity stimulant, such as astragalus and schizandra (I think) whereas others are more of a modulator, like eleutherococcus.
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sparkle7
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Yes, I know it's pretty complex when you compare the modulators to the stimulants. Then, there are issues with cytokeines, T-cells, NK cells, etc. It can be complicated in conjunction with our particular illness & whether we need something like this to happen in our body.
I'm not sure which is better. The modulators seem to bring balance as opposed to giving your system a boost. We may need a boost to give our bodies the extra energy to heal.
I've been reading that some products are supposedly proven to boost NK cells. This may be good for us but I was wondering how long this would be beneficial or if it's actually works for getting rid of pathogens from the system.
Many of these products are used by people with cancer. I don't know if long term use would have any negative attributes. Also, I don't know if we actually feel different from using them or how long we have to use them to feel a result.
I was taking a special whey product & I did feel slightly better. I stopped taking it because it was expensive. There are alot of these immune boosting products. Some are quite expensive.
Transfer factor, whey, medicinal mushrooms, biobran, thymic protein, amino acids, glutathione, chinese herbs... are just a few. Some are $75 for a fews weeks worth.
I was just wondering if anyone had something that they took which really made a difference.
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I have researched this off and on and keep coming back to beta glucan, particularly transferpoint.com's product. Their research looks convincing.
It is an immunomodulator, which I prefer. I am concerned that immune stimulant will stir up inflammatory cytokines.
I haven't "tested" it yet myself... with as many things as I take, if my labs improved or if I improved it might be hard to be sure it was the beta glucan.
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One thing that I really like that falls under "medicinal mushrooms" is Cordyceps. They're immune boosting, they're good for kidney detox and support, and they help keep Mycoplasma infections at bay.
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I have tried various things, probably too many to remember them all. I was given quercitin to reduce inflammation caused by cytokeine production. I believe you should mix it with vitamin C and boron and can buy it that way. I also use alpha lipoic acid and acetyl L carnitine. Grape seed extract is a very powerful antioxidant also. I used TOA free cat's claw in capsules that was helpful for keeping the lyme at bay. Now I have switched to Resveratrol. Looking at what helps with healing it is important to balance vitamins and minerals. A supplement I got which helps my pain a lot has the amino acids L Lysine and L methione as well as vitamin D3.
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MariaA
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I'm still a very big fan of eleutherococcus. Boneset supposedly modulates cytokines, as well, but is much less well known for this. Buhner suggests it for babesia and bartonella, but I've never heard of anyone here really having good success with treating those two illnesses just with his boneset/red root recommendation. Still, it's a pain reliever and has some major, major immune system activity. I don't think anyone thinks of it as anti-inflammatory, though, so the immune modulation action I'm quoting might not be a major action of the herb.
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BRM-4 is backed by quite a few studies. Unfortunately, one guy seems to have generated most of them. However, the studies have been intriguing. If you do a pubmed search for mgm-3, you should turn up related abstracts.
I think it has helped me but in hefty doses. It's expensive too.
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