I've read some inspirational protocols using raw milk... but I was wondering... can't raw milk transmit Lyme's - cow's get bit by ticks, don't they? I'd like some medical/biological information, not musings or opinions .
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- Could you please post the links to this "protocol" -
We'd need to be able to read what it is that you are talking about. I've never heard of such a protocol for lyme and, yes, you would have considerations.
If there is someone proposing a "raw milk protocol for lyme" I'd really want all the details possible, starting with the links to their work.
But I have to say, no milk protocol will cure lyme. Raw, or otherwise. -
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I work as a quality professional in the dairy industry and I know of no good research that documents Lymes or other coinfections in milk - raw or otherwise.
As a professional I do caution you on the consumption of raw milk as the risk of pathogenic bacteria is high based on the way farm animals are handled (fecal contamination). As the granddaughter of a farmer - the only raw milk I ever comsumed as a child was that directly out of my grandfather's cow that we knew was correctly sanitized and knew that the cow was not sick.
If you are like me and your immune system has been compromised badly, the risk of adding to the situation with a potentially lethal bacteria is a risk that I am not willing to take and far outweighs any benefits of raw milk.
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You can get brucellosis from raw milk. Not worth the risk.
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There's no reason to believe that traces of borrellia can't be found in Milk.
None, zilch, zero.
And the fact that many farms have taken away salt blocks, started injecting the cows with hormones, etc... leads me to trust NONE OF IT.
I drank A LOT of milk before I got sick (I was an athlete trying to gain weight for basketball)
I was eating tuna, drinking tons of milk(mixed with casein and whey), and taking high amounts of Airborne(immune tablets). And looking back now I see how harmful that was.
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I have been thinking of switching to raw milk too, IF I can get my hands on it. It is illegal in my state.
Raw milk contains many assimlable nutrients, and my understanding is that there are also antibodies in the milk, but more like general antibodies that would strengthen the immune system. Don't quote me on that, because it might not be true. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
You would just need to be sure the cows are pastured, meaning, they aren't just standing indoors.
Raw milk contains the ability to kill off pathogens, because of the good bacteria it naturally contains. There was an experiment where they added e coli bacteria to raw milk and pastuerized milk, and the next day, the e coli could NOT be found in the raw milk, because the good bacteria killed it off. Yet, in the pasteurized milk, it could be detected.
So perhaps that protective quality would transfer over to killing Lyme pathogens as well.
I'm not convinced you can get Lyme from ingesting spirochetes orally. So it is not a big concern of mine.
But as far as other pathogens go, I would just make sure you are comfortable with the farmer's practices.
Also, pasteurized milk contains DEAD bacteria...which are NOT good for your immune system...there is concern that they can lead to autoimmunity, because your immune system will still try to kill dead pathogens, since the antigens are still there.
Anyways, those are my ramblings. I'm not sure raw milk would be a cure, but it is something I have been interested in for the health benefits. I think the food we eat in this country is too sterilized, and it is changing the essence of what food should be in the first place.
I still plan on asking my doctor first before trying raw milk.
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- In no way are my intentions to disparage any industry.
However, for those with health problems, many doctors have us look at how some particular foods affect us as we try to get well.
For anyone with inner ear/balance issue (and that includes most lyme patients), diary products are the first thing vestibular patients are told to drop from their diet as dairy produces phlegm and germs love to hang out there.
Excess phlegm is also produced by consumption of gluten and corn. Every good ear doctor instructs patients with problems to drop all that: dairy, gluten and corn.
As well, some doctors conjecture that dairy products can adversed affect the immune system for those with immune system disorders (that includes all lyme patients).
So, until better, lyme patients might read more how these foods affect them whether with increased phlegm or other ways.
For some, lactose is the connector. For others, it can be more complex.
The immune information I studied was partly from the book listed below. One may not agree with all he says but, still, it is interesting to read and consider. It took my ear doctor's strong advice before I finally dropped it and my ears work better without it.
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"Don't Drink Your Milk!," by Frank Oski, M.D.
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For anyone considering consume raw milk, first go to a dairy and watch them milk the cows. Fecal material does get into the first batch.
Unless, as SOBS said, you know the cow and the person sterilizing the tools and the cow, it can be deadly.
There are plenty of ways to get good enzymes from all sort of good raw vegetables that are much easier washed than the undersides of hundreds of cows on a merry-go-round.
Sterilization has its benefits, indeed. -
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I think colostrum is possibly an aid in dealing w/ immune dysfunction in illnesses such as Lyme, but raw milk really IMO is not going to do much. I would love to be dis-proven though. Honestly, no sarcasm intended.
Spirochetes live through being frozen, zapped, and soaked in Ceftriaxone in a petri dish for days, so yes, it's in some milk, for sure. (not to mention other massively immuno-suppressive infections such as bartonella, babesia, the list goes on..)
Cats especially are dirty germ carrying buggers who are known to have and spread Bartonella, which reasonably, there is no way to measure how "many" cats have some type of bart/brucella/etc.
If you think about how prevalent Lyme supposedly is in deer due to ticks, what is the difference w/ cows? I think little.
It is my personal opinion that Borrelia and other "tick borne illnesses" are in large part perpetuated not by ticks anymore but by human and animal transmission, including cows. (although no more prominent than any other mammal species)
It began w/ the ticks but once enough humans and other mammals are infected the ticks are no longer the largest problem, we are.
Humans sexually transmit Lyme, Co-infections, viruses, and every other abomination we are exposed to so I believe animals and animal products are keeping stride with us if not leading the way.
There are so many A-symptomatic carriers of so many illnesses and viruses including Lyme that is doesn't strike me as unlikely that there are also many animals running around able to ward off the bacteria. Plus, how would we "know" if said animal is infected w/ Borrelia and the like unless they were limping?
There is no way to reasonably measure neurological dysfunction in say Fido, your pet dog.
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Hmm...I don't think it was colostrum exactly that was providing the immune benefits I was reading about, though of course colostrum is good for you. And of course there are other ways to get colostrum, like supplements.
I probably should have just looked up the article I was reading before trying to take a stab at this on my own.
Maybe I will come back with a link, if I can find it.
I'm not convinced sexual transmission of Lyme exists. Just putting that out there. Though I wouldn't argue with anyone who has reason to believe it does.
I'm also not really saying people should be drinking raw milk, just trying to bring up some of the potential good points of it. I haven't really decided where I stand on the issue yet.
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Have the enzymes created for you, when you create yogurt, enzymes are created from the probiotic mix of bacteria. Also the bacteria's digestive process creates even more enzymes.
You can re-ferment foods even after pasteurization or radiation. Fermenting foods increases the bodies ability to uptake nutrients. I feel it is a great way to rebuild your digestive capacity.
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Years ago, this subject came up at a conference. The answer was that pasteurization killed anything they were talking about but raw milk was another story.
THINK before you drink raw milk.
And if your Lyme knowledge doesn't stop you from drinking raw milk, look up other diseases carried by raw milk.
Are you so sure the cow has not been bitten by a tick that you're willing to risk your health and the health of the people you care about?
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Dr Ron and Weston Price both are proponents of raw milk. No one says it will "heal" lyme but it obviously plays a role in helping the body to heal.
I can't explain it very well but something to do with the enzymes in the milk.
Massman could probably explain this since he is familiar with both of these websites that promote this.
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It's the lactoferrin in the milk that has antimicrobal and antifungal properties. Google milk + lactoferrin.
I drink a ton of milk, but wouldn't touch raw milk.
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The sexual transmission of Lyme exists, because the sexual transmission of Syphilis exists.
There is no question in my mind, especially because my wife got Lyme and tested positive after we were married and became sexually active.
I have seen this happen to my brother's partner as well as a few friends' who have Lyme.
It's in every bodily fluid, undoubtedly, in my mind.
Tears, saliva, I don't need to name the rest.
The only reason there isn't anything published on it is because no one could ever come clean on this because of the repercussions that would ensue.
Just my experience and others I know.
As far as the milk, if it helps you, drink it.
If not, there's always almond, soy, and a host of other tasty milks. (coconut milk is a favorite of mine)
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Lyme in milk ? Probably, IMO. Lyme, last time I talked to it, has accepted the assignment of spreading itself as far + wide as possible.
Raw milk ?
Milk goes from a breast, through a nipple and into a mouth. Doesn't touch the air. Doesn't get heated up, spun around then cooled down. [B]No other animal does this with milk it is going to consume.[/]
It is done under the guise of "safety". As said in a post above raw milk essentially has less bacteria than processed milk. I could go on + on....IMO we are being sold a bunch of Bull Puckey to get scared then buy unnatural stuff.
This is the type of sales based on "what will happen if I DON'T do this ?
If you use milk, buy local + raw. Tour the farm. Meet the farmer.
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The guy has really good credentials, and tested it personally on himself. "Food for thought." His credo is "physician heal thyself."
I haven't gotten raw milk yet, but I do know it's important to know your farmer, cows and farm.
If you are looking into raw milk, but it's not sold in your state, google a "cowshare" program. You basically buy a share of the cow, and as an owner, you are entitled to some of the cow's milk.
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- Since I can't drink milk I just make my own almond milk. It's easy.
Soak Almonds in fridge for day.
Rinse.
Add filtered water. Puree with a good blender (while wearing ear muffs).
Filter/push through a fine mesh strainer/sieve.
Drink or refrigerate. If desired, add a touch of stevia or vanilla, nutmeg, etc.
Save the ground almond mush in fridge to add to soups, oatmeal, etc.
Safe all the way around. And kind of nuts or a mix of nuts can be used. Pecan milk is especially good and rich.
I don't deal with measuring but this can be researched through Google.
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