Topic: Is fish oil bad for us???? Brian Peskin says YES!!!!
emla999/Lyme
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Is anyone here familiar with Professor Brian Peskin's work on PEOs (Parent Essential Oils) and fish oil? Essentially, Brian Peskin claims that in the long run the taking of fish oil supplements will do more harm than good to your body.
Brian Peskin recommends that you take PEOs (Parent Essential Oils) supplements instead of fish oil supplements. ****Supposedly, you can increase the body's cellular oxygenation by taking PEO supplements.
So, what do you guys think about Brian Peskin's research???? Is he correct???? Are fish oil supplements dangerous to our health??
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Hoosiers51
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I don't have the energy right now to look at the links...
But I remember reading recently on a CFS site (don't remember which one or where) that there is apparently some CFS specialist that says fish oil is fine for most people, but the chronic fatigue population should NOT be taking it.
If I remember correctly, it wasn't because of anything with metals, contamination, etc.
It was some complicated reason that the article didn't get into. I got the sense it was something very technical, that is wrong in the bodies of people with CFS, that Cod Liver Oil (or was it fish oil? one of the two or both) makes worse.
My LLMD put me on Yes Oil (google Parent Essential Oil and it will come up), so I'm thinking he must have some reason he would rather me take this stuff. I told him I was taking Cod Liver Oil and he switched me to this. I didn't ask why.
I noticed that a lot of the time I would get a sharp headache right after taking Cod Liver Oil, and sometimes feel sluggish and get brain fog. Always have wondered what that was. I was taking the Carlson's brand, which is one of the pure-er brands.
The Yes Oil seems to help me though. Though it is not any kind of miracle. But I notice that I feel slightly better when I'm taking it.
Oh, and the Weston A. Price people (at least some of them) seem to like fermented Cold Liver Oil. I wonder what the benefits of fermenting it are. I wonder if I would like it better under those conditions.
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Hoosiers51
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It looks like that first link is from the Yes Oil folks...so that's what I'm taking. And they (the supplements) are helpful.
The Yes Oil has Flax in it though, which I know can be almost like a natural steroid? So I wonder if that's why I'm feeling better? (assuming those with Lyme suffer from inflammation)
I really do like the Yes Oil though. When I think of it, I start to crave it. When I see the pills, my mouth waters. Not kidding! The only other pill I've ever craved in my life was my Amoxicillin.
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my chiro said this as well but my llmd says to take it
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Emla, you officially are the research guru!! Every post on this board you make is research. Thanks.
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randibear
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i think singleton recommends it in his book too.
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Hoosiers51, that negative reaction from cod liver oil may be due to vitamin D ?
Emla, People don't have the capacity to convert alpha-linolenic acid to EPA/DHA efficiently. Conversion rates are about 6% for EPA and 4% for DHA!
This is not because we have no need for EPA/DHA. It's because alpha-linolenic acid has never been a significant part of human diet, and so we don't have the enzymes to deal with it in quantity.
Can adults adequately convert alpha-linolenic acid (18:3n-3) to eicosapentaenoic acid (20:5n-3) and docosahexaenoic acid (22:6n-3)? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9637947Posts: 330 | From Colorado, USA | Registered: Nov 2008
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emla999/Lyme
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Seekhelp, come to think of it, I guess I am kind of like a Marnie in training or a Marnie junior!!
Pab, yes, unfortunately I do have chronic Lyme Disease. I unknowingly had it for close to 20 years. It has pretty much ruined my life......that's why like so many others here on Lymenet I spend alot of time researching. I am much better now than I have been in the past but I am still not well.
Hossiers51, the headache that you get from taking cod liver oil could be coming from the fairly large amount of Vitamin A that the cod liver oil contains.
Too much Vitamin A can sometimes cause people to experience headaches.
Ninjaphire, I am aware that humans only convert a relatively small percentage of ALA into EPA/DHA. Brian Peskin acknowledges this as well. I have not read Brian Peskin's book so I don't know what his exact thoughts are on that.
Brian Peskin seems to be more concerned with the Omega-6 to Omega-3 ratio within the body rather than the total amount of EPA/DHA that we consume. He claims that that by taking fish oil supplements you can change the ratio of Omega-6 to Omega-3 in a negative way. Brian believes that the ideal Omega-6 to Omega-3 is 1:1 or 2:1 of Omega-6 to Omega-3.
He also claims that many people are deficient in the biologically active Omega-6's and Omega-3's fatty acids. The reason that he gives for this is that today most people are consuming processed oils that contain Omega-6 (Linoleic Acid) but due to processing methods.....those Omega-6 oils are for the most part rendered inactive and biologically dead.....hence the body becomes deficient in biologically active Omega-6's.
Brian Peskin also advocates eating a diet rich in animal fats and grassfed meats. He claims that the Omega-6 to Omega-3 ratio in grassfed meat is close to ideal.
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quote:Originally posted by emla999/Lyme: Ninjaphire, I am aware that humans only convert a relatively small percentage of ALA into EPA/DHA. Brian Peskin acknowledges this as well. I have not read Brian Peskin's book so I don't know what his exact thoughts are on that.
Brian Peskin seems to be more concerned with the Omega-6 to Omega-3 ratio within the body rather than the total amount of EPA/DHA that we consume. He claims that that by taking fish oil supplements you can change the ratio of Omega-6 to Omega-3 in a negative way. Brian believes that the ideal Omega-6 to Omega-3 is 1:1 or 2:1 of Omega-6 to Omega-3.
He also claims that many people are deficient in the biologically active Omega-6's and Omega-3's fatty acids. The reason that he gives for this is that today most people are consuming processed oils that contain Omega-6 (Linoleic Acid) but due to processing methods.....those Omega-6 oils are for the most part rendered inactive and biologically dead.....hence the body becomes deficient in biologically active Omega-6's.
Brian Peskin also advocates eating a diet rich in animal fats and grassfed meats. He claims that the Omega-6 to Omega-3 ratio in grassfed meat is close to ideal.
Everything you say makes perfect sense. It is definitely a possiblity that the omega-6 in food is unusable because it's destroyed/oxidised.
However, that doesn't lead to saying that EPA/DHA are unnecessary, and alpha-linolenic acid is the best.
It does not follow.
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emla999/Lyme
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quote:Originally posted by ninjaphire:
Everything you say makes perfect sense. It is definitely a possiblity that the omega-6 in food is unusable because it's destroyed/oxidised.
However, that doesn't lead to saying that EPA/DHA are unnecessary, and alpha-linolenic acid is the best.
It does not follow.
Again, I haven't read Brian Peskin's book so I don't know what his entire thoughts are about EPA and DHA fatty acids. But to me, Brian doesn't seem to be saying that EPA/DHA are unnecessary.
"Heart attack victims often have depleted EFA levels, especially the EFA derivatives AA from parent omega-6 and EPA from parent omega-3, too. We need some parent omega-3 because EPA is one of its important derivatives EPA . The problem is that fish oil supplements overdose us with far too much."
So, Brian doesn't seem to be saying that EPA is unnecessary. In fact he seems to be saying that EPA is necessary....albeit in a different ratio with the other fatty acids than fish oil would supply.
Also, it seems as though Brian is much more concerned about the ratio of "biologically active" Omega-6's to Omega-3's within the body. And he seems to believe that by taking fish oil supplements you could potentially create or exacerbate an improper Omega-6 to Omega-3 ratio within the body. He claims that this improper ratio has dire consequences on your health and the oxygenation of your body.
He claims that the Omega-6 to Omega-3 ratio of grassfed beef is close to ideal.
Brian Peskin seems to think that most people are deficient in "biologically active" Omega-6's because modern food processing destroys much of the "biologically active" Omega-6's. He also seems believe that the Omega-6's found in most processed foods is "biologically INACTIVE" and unhealthy.
And Ninjaphire, I share your skepticism of Brian Peskin's fatty acid recommendations. And until I can verify Brian Peskin's research or until his research is endorsed by other medical doctors I will probably continue to take fish oil.
But I do find his research to be interesting and if he is correct then alot of people.....me included..... are actually harming themselves by helping to create an improper Omega-6 to Omega-3 fatty acid ratio with the body via the taking of fish oil supplements.
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GiGi
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Energetic testing of oils tells me that we like a different one or a combination of them almost daily. That solved the fad; the newest this or that for me. I don't think Dr. K. knows or Peskin knows what my body needs. (and ART is basically how Dr. K. selects the oils for his individual patients).
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Amanda
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If you have endometriosis, or other excess estrogen issues, you should avoid flax oil, it increase estrogen.
I guess the main problem I have with this is that oneof the healthiest population in teh world are the japenese, who eat high concentrations of fatty fish...
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emla999/Lyme
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Brian Peskin doesn't recommend taking Flax oil alone.
***It's on page 3, just above "Rethinking EFA Supplementation Ratios and Amounts".
Also, I don't think Brian is entirely against eating fatty fish. Apparently, Brian thinks it's OK to eat "whole fish". But he is definitely against taking fish oil supplements...he seems to believe that some "whole fish" can have a more desirable Omega-6 to Omega-3 ratio than does fish oil supplements.
***Scroll down to where is says "Vital Choice Canned & Pouched Wild Seafood".
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lymebytes
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It is one supplement I won't miss. What is bad from my understanding are fish oils with "liver oil" like Cod liver oil, you basically are ingesting the toxins of the liver of the fish.
Salmon oils are good. The best in my opinion is Perna Canaliculus oil extract. So I take Omega Xl's and they have actually lowered my inflammation tests.
lymebytes
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It is one supplement I won't miss. What is bad from my understanding are fish oils with "liver oil" like Cod liver oil, you basically are ingesting the toxins of the liver of the fish.
Salmon oils are good. The best in my opinion is Perna Canaliculus oil extract. So I take Omega Xl's and they have actually lowered my inflammation tests.
CD57
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The problem with the YES products is that it is $40 per bottle...I did one bottle and then tossed it....LLMD said it made such a difference for him.....I never noticed anything so back to my Spectrum brand fish oil from Whole Foods.
I dont know if its bad for me but I am sick of paying for these supplements.
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Marnie
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I strongly disagree.
EPA can help...a LOT.
Lots of EPA, a "tad" of DHA and some vitamin E (to prevent EPA and DHA from being oxidized) to counter tremendous AA from the omega 6s.
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