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Lyme disease brought about gaining weight and then, developing of a heavy depression on me 5 years ago. Meanwhile, I learned that I had diabetes thanks to the result of measurement of blood sugar. As long as I did not consume sugared food, my blood sugar was at normal level. But for the last 1, 5 month my sugar blood has begun to be 300 and increase more over especially on the mornings. Firstly, I have added flagyl to the treatment then, rifampisin for the last 1, 5 month. I believe that my blood sugar is high due to the developing stress on my body which is related to the herx created by fragyl and rifampsin. Oral ant diabetic was added to the treatment by the doctor. However, ant diabetic could not control sugar in drug and I have started to take 10 units of retard insulin at nights for 5 days. Blood sugar decreased from 300 to 200 on the mornings. But this situation makes me afraid. Because the high of blood sugar spoils cellular immune system and phagocytosis.I have been taking combined ab at high doze for 7 months. There is a little improvement. But I have started to be afraid that this improvement can stop because of the unregulated emerging of diabetes. Is there anybody who has both diabetes and lyme disease and lives similar situation? Is there a lyme patient whose blood sugar rises at the herx period? Thank in advance .Ahmet
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I do not have lyme and diabetes but I am a diabetes educator.
Stress, weight gain and infection can all increase your blood sugar. I would ask your pharmacist if any of the meds you are on increase blood sugar.
Diabetes is also a progressive disease. As time goes on your pancreas may produce less insulin which results in you needing a medication change (increase or different type of med or need to start meds)
It is important that you find a way to get the sugars under control. I'm not sure what you mean by "retard" insulin. Is this a basal, long acting insulin? (I see you are from Turkey and I work in the US)
Did you stop the oral med? (not sure what you meant by "ant diabetic could not control sugar in drug") You may need the insulin and an oral med.
Also, pay attention to the number of carbs you eat. Depending on your weight, age, height and activity level an appropriate amount could be anywhere from 45 to 80 grams per meal. Excess carbs can increase your blood sugar--that includes carbs in anything you drink.
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Some herbs are said to help with diabetes:
Gymnema sylvestre
Fenugreek
Those are both from India, so could you obtain them in Turkey?
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- While this is quite daunting . . . it can get better. Whatever the cause, unstable blood glucose can usually be controlled. Sometimes, even reversed. It takes a combined approach over time - as mentioned above by other posters.
It can get better.
First, it is important that you are followed closely by a doctor. As well, might you have a naturopathic doctor of some degree near you - one who is trained and licensed in herbal and nutritional medicine? An acupuncturist?
If you use any of the supplements mentioned below, it is important to FIRST consult your doctor, especially if you are on an prescription medicine for blood sugar control.
Herbs have their place but they may not mix well with some prescription medicines - or they may - but you would need a doctor experienced in this area to guide you.
I am not a doctor, nor any sort of medical professional. All this is just from my own personal research. I'm simply sharing information I find very interesting and important.
Good luck. Again, this can get better. Really.
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During a herx, the entire endocrine system is stressed to the max and that contributes to stress throughout the body.
ADRENAL SUPPORT is absolutely essential to propter blood sugar management, as mentioned in this book. You can read customer reviews and look inside the book at this link to its page at Amazon. It connects lyme and Cpn (chronic chlamydia pneumonia) to many health conditions. Ultimately, treating the infection is the most important things - supporting the adrenals, etc. must go along with that.
THE POTBELLY SYNDROME: HOW COMMON GERMS CAUSE OBESITY, DIABETES, and HEART DISEASE - 2005
by Russell Farris and Per Marin, MD, PhD
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As you suspect, many meds can contribute to high blood sugar - or to sudden drops. Check all your drugs for side-effects. But don't just read the manufacturer's information. Cross search for a broader scope.
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One suggestion listed above, Gymnema Sylvestre, is detailed below:
WHAT IT DOES: Gymnema is bitter in taste, and cooling in action. It improves blood sugar control in diabetics, numbs the taste of sweet completely (for about 20 minutes), and decreases appetite (for about 90 minutes).
RATING: yellow
SAFETY ISSUES: None reported. Should not be used by people with low blood sugars (hypoglycemia).
STARTING DOSAGE:
* 1:1 extract: five to 10 ml per day * Pill: 500-1000 mg three times per day
Gymnema actually means "sugar destroyer." It grows in the wild forests of central India, all the way to Western Ghats and up to the Himalayas.
Research indicates that gymnema stimulates insulin secretion or release of insulin from the pancreas. Japanese studies have shown that it improves glucose tolerance in animal models of diabetes, and other studies show that the effects can last for up to two months after discontinuation.
This herb is a good long-term tonic for Type I and II diabetics. Results are best seen after long-term administration, over six months to a year. I prefer to use it in combination with several other herbs for blood sugar control, because it affects only a few aspects of the imbalance.
In case you're curious, sugar tastes like sand for twenty minutes after you chew on a little gymnema.
A recently published study investigated the effects of curcumin, a constituent of the botanical turmeric, on changes in cognition and memory caused by stress. . . .
In this new study, researchers investigated the effect of curcumin supplementation on stress-induced learning defects in mice. . . .
The results of the study showed that curcumin reversed memory deficits in a dose dependent manner, meaning increasing dosages of curcumin provided increasingly improved memory in the mice.
In addition, curcumin reversed the stress-induced increase in the levels of serum corticosterone, the primary hormone secreted during the stress response.
The researchers also found that the effectiveness of curcumin was similar to the effects of a tri-cyclic antidepressant.
. . . inhibited changes due to corticosterone-induced toxicity including preserving nerve cell connections, and inhibiting the corticosterone-induced activation of the enzyme calcium/calmodulin kinase II and stimulated glutamate receptor expression, which play a role in neurotransmitter secretion and certain kinds of memory and learning.
The researchers concluded, ``Thus, curcumin may be an effective therapeutic for learning and memory disturbances as was seen within these stress models, and
its neuroprotective effect was mediated in part by normalizing the corticosterone response, resulting in down-regulating of the phosphorylated calcium/calmodulin kinase II and glutamate receptor levels.''
#6 Vitamin D supplementation reduces insulin resistance in South Asian women living in New Zealand who are insulin resistant and vitamin D deficient - a randomised, placebo-controlled trial.
#7 Reversing bacteria-induced vitamin D receptor dysfunction is key to autoimmune disease.
#14 The impact of diabetes mellitus on vitamin D metabolism in predialysis patients.
#15 Vitamin D supplementation and type 2 diabetes: a substudy of a randomised placebo-controlled trial in older people.
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- Regarding weight, besides the book above, infection connections have been noted by other authors/researchers. Again, treating infection is top of the list - and adrenal support can help.
. . . It seems likely that these bacterial species could serve as biological indicators of a developing overweight condition.
Of even greater interest, and the subject of future research, is the possibility that oral bacteria may participate in the pathology that leads to obesity. . . .
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- While, during infection, we are not supposed to stress the heart with aerobic exercise, there are many non-aerobic methods. Also, even swimming can be done more slowly, like just water-walking or a Tai Chi of sorts, just in water.
The key is movement but also enjoyment. Enjoyment is essential to helping our bodies function.
However, many sleep drugs are very hard on the liver (and liver stress also contributes to diabetes and weight gain). Here are some other suggestions if sleep eludes you as it does many:
Various articles with great detail about what can help support your body during this time. Articles detail insulin resistance, specific supplements, and many other keys to blood sugar control.
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One of those articles, important to lyme patients because of mitochondrial damage from lyme:
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Thank you for every input Purplemom ,i wanted to mean that oral antidiabetic could not control my blood sugar but I expressed wrong. I am taking both oral antidiabetic and long acting insulin now.
Pamoisondelune; I will look for the plant that you mentioned in Turkey. Or I can get them from the abroad.
Ninjaphire; Thanks for the link that you suggested.
Keebler; the detailed informations that you gave is very useful.Thank you. I have adrenal insufficiency. But as far as I know the deficiency of cortisone reduces blood sugar. I have sometimes excessive declines my blood sugar too. I take 2,5 mg prednisolon daily together with herbal adrenal support .Ahmet
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Dear Ahmet, Here are some quotes about things said to help diabetes. But, WARNING, i haven't researched the side effects or efficacy: QUOTES: ----------------
[But have i read that Neem taken internally may harm the kidneys?----Polly]
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Can Cinnamon Help Lower Blood Glucose and Cholesterol? The Effects of Cinnamon in Type 2 Diabetes By Debra Manzella, R.N., About.com
Updated: November 17, 2006
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There has been a lot of talk these days about cinnamon. According to some studies, cinnamon may improve blood glucose and cholesterol levels in people with Type 2 diabetes. The results of a study from 2003 in Pakistan showed lower levels of fasting glucose, triglycerides, LDL cholesterol and total cholesterol after 40 days with levels continuing to drop for 20 days after that.
The study was made up of 60 people with Type 2 diabetes who were divided into 6 groups of 10. Three groups received cinnamon in the form of capsules totaling 1, 3 or 6 grams of cinnamon a day. The other three groups received placebo capsules. The capsules were taken three times a day, after meals. All three levels of cinnamon showed results, leading researchers to believe that as little as 1 gram a day of cinnamon may benefit people who have Type 2.
There has been some debate in this country on whether "true" cinnamon was used for the study. According to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), there are two types of cinnamon sold in the United States; cinnamomum zeylanicum nees or cinnamomum cassia (L.) blume. Most of the cinnamon sold in our grocery stores is cinnamomum cassia. The Pakistani study does list cinnamomum cassia as the cinnamon that was used.
Richard A. Anderson, Ph.D., CNS, of the the Beltsville Human Nutrition Research Center (BHNRC), is one of the original researchers in the Pakistan study. The BHNRC is under the United States Department of Agricuture (USDA). From results of his continued study of the components of cinnamon and their effect on blood glucose and cholesterol, he states,
"We have also shown that the active components of cinnamon are found in the water-soluble portion of cinnamon and are not present in cinnamon oil, which is largely fat-soluble. In addition to ground cinnamon consumed directly, one can also make a cinnamon tea and let the solids settle to the bottom or use cinnamon sticks, which make for a nice clear tea. Cinnamon can also be added to orange juice, oatmeal, coffee before brewing, salads, meats etc. The active components are not destroyed by heat." Based on these studies, it seems that cinnamon may lower blood glucose, triglycerides and LDL cholesterol in people with Type 2 diabetes. The fact that studies so far have involved a small amount of people and have not yet explored the long term benefits of cinnamon, would lead to the conclusion that there may not be enough evidence gathered yet, to support cinnamon as a major player against Type 2. But adding more cinnamon to already healthy lifestyle changes probably wouldn't hurt either.
Sources:
Khan, MS, PHD, Alam, Safdar, MS, Mahpara, Ali Khan, MS, PHD, Mohammad Muzaffar, Khattak, MS, Khan Nawaz, and Anderson, PHD, Richard A.. "Cinnamon Improves Glucose and Lipids of People With Type 2 Diabetes." Diabetes Care 26(2003): 3215-3218.
Anderson, Ph.D., CNS, Richard A.. "Cinnamon, Glucose Tolerance and Diabetes." Agricultural Research Service. 08 Aug 2005. United States Department of Agriculture. 17 Nov 2006.
More Diabetes Quick Tips Suggested Reading Cinnamon: Does It Lower Cholesterol?Cinnamon: Help for Insulin Resistance and Weight LossCinnamon: Simple, Homey and Mighty
Suggested Reading Cinnamon TeaCinnamon Offers Health BenefitsCinnamon Helps Blood Sugar
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Stress can cause your blood sugar to spike. Why? Because stress causes your adrenal glands to produce the stress hormone cortisol. When you secrete cortisol, your blood sugar goes up. And when your blood sugar goes up, your pancreas produces more insulin. Too much insulin puts stress on your entire system, including inflammation of your tissues. Which starts the whole process over again. It's a vicious circle.
So as you can see, stress puts a lot of pressure on both your adrenal glands and your pancreas. That's why ginseng is such an important nutrient. That's right, Ginseng!
Ginseng has been used for centuries as a general tonic to fight stress. Yet it does a whole lot more. Studies show ginseng can work wonders to prevent a sharp jump in your blood sugar right after a meal.
In one study, patients received a ginseng capsule or a placebo. Then they had a "meal" consisting of a high glucose drink. Ginseng didn't affect the people with normal blood sugar at all. But in those with blood sugar problems, ginseng lowered their post-meal glucose readings dramatically.
As you can see, ginseng and astragalus can have a profound effect on your blood sugar. Yet they're only 2 of the powerful glucose-busting nutrients you need to know about...
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Dr. Christopher found, accidentally, that Cedar Berries can reverse some cases of type 1 diabetes. The most potent berries come from the American southwest. Carmi Hazen ------------------------ Diabetes and Acupuncture
Posted: 17 Mar 2009 01:21 PM PDT
Much like conventional medical treatments for diabetes, acupuncture is performed on diabetic patients in a fashion that is tailored to individual needs. Unlike western medical treatments which typically treat one symptom of the disease at a time, acupunturists can place needles in various parts of the body during one session and treat multiple symptoms of diabetes. In addition, acupuncture treatment has very few (if any) side effects.
Fast Facts:
A small study in Dubai in 2005 showed successful treatment of both type 1 and type 2 diabetics with acupuncture. From a group of 38 diabetics who participated in the acupuncture therapy portion of the Dubai study, 27 were effectively treated and 11 others required further treatment. However, none of the acupuncture group participants reported any side effects from treatment. Acupuncture has also been reportedly successful in treating various types of complications associated with the disease such as neuropathy. Visit http://organizedwisdom.com/Diabetes_and_Acupuncture
Most of us know that when we eat protein, fat, or fiber our blood glucose levels won't go up. Yet few of us are aware of other foods that will actually reduce these levels.
All you need is a little acid. But it matters a lot what type of acid.
Slowing your stomach. Acetic acid seems to be the most effective. You don't eat or drink acid? Actually, acetic acid is the chief acid of vinegar.
The best types to use are red or white wine vinegars. The most common vinegar, white, is cheap but somewhat harsh-tasting, so it's not a good choice for most recipes. The other common vinegar, cider vinegar, is milder and less acidic. The less common but well-known balsamic vinegar is much sweeter and would probably be a poor choice. So too is rice vinegar, which has a sweet flavor and light acidity.
Vinegar is a key ingredient in several different dishes. Typically, it is used together with oil to dress salads and vegetables. Its presence in pickles is also noticeable.
Lemon juice is just as powerful as vinegar, Jennie Brand-Miller says. Lime juice is likely to work just as well.
A surprisingly small amount is effective. A typical vinaigrette dressing of oil and vinegar works well and can taste wonderful. Add mustard powder, garlic, and your favorite spices.
In one study the glucose response with vinegar was 31 percent lower than without it. In another study vinegar significantly reduced the glycemic index of a starchy meal from 100 to 64 (where white bread = 100).
Fermented foods also reduce blood glucose levels. The natural fermentation of starch and sugars by a yeast starter culture that produces lactic and propionic acid is what makes sourdough bread. In a third study the glycemic index of sourdough bread was 68 compared 100 for non-sourdough bread.
All these foods will help you hold your blood glucose in check. They do that by slowing the speed with which your stomach empties.
Your best bet is to include a side salad with an olive oil and vinegar or lemon dressing in as many meals as possible. Your body will thank you.
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Posted: 19 Feb 2009 08:43 PM CST
From: "OrganizedWisdom Health - Alternative and Holistic Medicine" [email protected] Apple cider vinegar has been shown in a few studies to lower glucose levels in diabetics. By taking two tablespoons of apple cider vinegar nightly, participants in one study lowered their blood sugar levels by 4%-6% by morning. Limited research has also shown apple cider vinegar can lower the post-meal rise in glucose.
Fast Facts:
Studies have shown that people with prediabetes also lowered their glucose levels by using apple cider vinegar. Apple cider vinegar and white bread together has been shown to lower post-meal glucose levels. Due to the possible interactions with certain diabetes medications, you should consult with your physician before adding apple cider vinegar to your health care regimen. Visit http://organizedwisdom.com/Diabetes_and_Apple_Cider_Vinegar
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a landmark study found that astragalus has the ability to balance your blood sugar. Not just lower it. Balance it. That means if your blood sugar is too high, it drops it. If your blood sugar is too low, it raises it. That's important because many other remedies can lower your blood sugar too far or too fast. This can cause the opposite problem -- not enough blood sugar. Which can lead to "jitters" and weakness. Astragalus protects against that.
Astragalus does so much for your body -- balances blood sugar, scavenges free radicals, supports your heart, nerves and kidneys. That's why it's at the top of my list of nutrients for blood sugar. But it's not the only one...
---[But Stephen Buhner the herbalist does not recommend astragalus for people already suffering from lyme, because it would exacerbate the wrong part of the immune system.----Polly]
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There are several alternative and complementary treatments available that might be beneficial for people with diabetes. While some diabetes alternative treatments might be risky, others can be part of a successful treatment plan. However before starting any complementary or alternative treatments you should also consult your health care provider.
Fast Facts:
Dietary supplements such as chromium, omega-3 fatty acids, alpha-lipoic acid, and polyphenols may be beneficial to people with type 2 diabetes. It has been suggested that onion and garlic might have a significant blood sugar lowering action. Taking bilberry could help lower the risk of developing diabetic cataracts and retinopathy. Visit http://organizedwisdom.com/Diabetes_Alternative_Treatments
Alpha lipoic acid (ALA) also known as thioctic acid, is a powerful, natural antioxidant, which converts blood sugar into energy. ALA has been found helpful in treating diabetic neuropathies. Alpha lipoic acid can also help the body use glucose, which may have the potential in improving blood sugar control.
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ALA is a fatty acid that is found naturally inside every cell your body. Alpha lipoic acid is the only antioxidant that is both fat- and water-soluble. Besides being useful for diabetes, ALA has also been proven beneficial fo treating AIDS and burning mouth syndrome. Visit http://organizedwisdom.com/Diabetes_and_Alpha-Lipoic_Acid
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Posted: 10 Mar 2009 07:18 PM PDT
Garlic (Allium sativum) has been used to treat diabetes in Asia, Europe, and the Middle East. It has been found beneficial in lowering blood sugar levels in both type 1 and type 2 diabetes patients. Garlic should be used with caution in patients using sulfonylureas medications, as it is known to drastically lower blood sugar levels.
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Nursing mothers should consult their physician before adding garlic to their diet. Garlic may also be beneficial in treating cancer, high blood pressure, and colds. Garlic should be used with caution in patients using blood thinners and protease inhibitors. Visit http://organizedwisdom.com/Diabetes_and_Garlic ---------------------------
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Prednisone is a synthetic corticosteroid drug that is particularly effective as an immunosuppressant, and affects virtually all of the immune system. It is used to treat certain inflammatory diseases and (at higher doses) cancers, but has significant adverse effects.
It is usually taken orally but can be delivered by intramuscular injection or intravenous injection. It has a mainly glucocorticoid effect. Prednisone is a prodrug that is converted by the liver into prednisolone, which is the active drug and also a steroid.
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Dependency
Adrenal suppression will occur if prednisone is taken for longer than 7 days. This will cause the body to lose the ability to synthesize natural corticosteroids, resulting in dependence on prednisone.
For this reason, prednisone should not be abruptly stopped if taken for more than seven days, and instead, the dosage should be gradually reduced.
This weaning process may be over a few days if the course of prednisone was short, but may take weeks or months if the patient had been on long-term treatment.
Abrupt withdrawal may lead to an Addisonian crisis. For those on chronic therapy, alternate-day dosing may preserve adrenal function, thereby reducing side-effects.[4]
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Side-Effects
Short-term side-effects, as with all glucocorticoids, include high blood glucose levels, especially in patients who already have diabetes mellitus or are on other medications that increase blood glucose (such as tacrolimus), and mineralocorticoid effects such as fluid retention (it is worth noting, however, that the mineralocorticoid effects of prednisone are very minor; this is why it is not used in the management of adrenal insufficiency unless a more potent mineralocorticoid is administered concomitantly).
Additional short-term side-effects include insomnia, euphoria, and, rarely, mania (particularly in those suffering from Bipolar I and II).
Long-term side-effects include Cushing's syndrome, truncal weight gain, osteoporosis, glaucoma, type II diabetes mellitus, and depression upon withdrawal.
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Fatty liver, as may be seen due to long-term prednisone use. Trichrome stain.
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Major (side-effects)
increased blood sugar for diabetics
weight gain
facial swelling
depression, mania, psychosis or other psychiatric symptoms
unusual fatigue or weakness
mental confusion / indecisiveness
blurred vision
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- This note was meant to be before the last post but it got left off:
Ahmet,
Be certain to talk with your doctor if you want to take anything new/different. While some of the herbs may be able to help with your prescription, some can also cause a dangerous drop in blood sugar if used with your Rx.
So, please read up on it all and get expert advice for any change in your plan.
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You also just said at the end of your last post: " . . . I take 2,5 mg prednisolon daily . . ."
So, you are taking 2.5 mg of prednisone daily? How long have you been doing this? That can affect blood sugar.
But (and this is your own private business) IF you are taking that for some other illness, that may be a different matter and be sure to have expert advice. For lyme, though, it can make lyme much harder to treat.
Do you have an ILADS-educated LLMD? Prednisone is contraindicated with lyme. Does your doctor know this?
Some lyme patients with adrenal exhaustion take very low dose hydrocortisone (Cortef) but that in not the same as prednisone and the two cannot be substituted for one another.
. . . More severe illness also results from other causes of weakened defenses, such as from severe stress, immunosuppressant medications, and severe intercurrent illnesses.
This is why steroids and other immunosuppressive medications are absolutely contraindicated in Lyme. This also includes intraarticular steroids.
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From page 12:
. . . More evidence has accumulated indicating the severe detrimental effects of the concurrent use of immunosuppressants including steroids in the patient with active B. burgdorferi infection.
Never give steroids or any other immunosuppressant to any patient who may even remotely be suffering from Lyme, or serious, permanent damage may result, especially if given for anything greater than a short course.
If immunosuppressive therapy is absolutely necessary, then potent antibiotic treatment should begin at least 48 hours prior to the immunosuppressants. . . .
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. . . and absolutely no immunosuppressants, even local doses of steroids (intra-articular injections, for example). . . .
. . . "Steroid Disaster" is a term coined by the pioneer of Lyme Treatment . . .
Corticosteroids are immune suppressants, the last thing a Lyme patient needs is to lower immunity.
Can you imagine, your body trying hard to fight off the spirochete bacteria and suddenly and immunosuppressants is introduced, "freezing" your immune system, rendering it unable to battle, giving great advantage now to the Lyme bacteria to spread and go wherever it wants .
Corticosteroids can last in the body for months, usually around 6 months. In many bacterial infections such as LD, damage can be done.
Many Lyme patients (such as myself) triggered LD with cortisone shots, pills, inhalers, etc. I can tell you, it is a nightmare I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.
It is imperative to NEVER take corticosteroid for pain if you know you have a bacterial infection.
Some bacterial infections are so severe that a shot of cortisone could kill you, although that would be unlikely with Lyme, but rule of thumb, bacterial infections and immunosuppressants do not mix!
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Dr. Burrascano makes it clear in his treatment guidelines that steroid treatment is detrimental, these are excerpts from his guidelines:
"More evidence has accumulated indicating the severe detrimental effects of the concurrent use of immunosuppressants including steroids in the patient with active B. burgdorferi infection.
Never give steroids or any other immunosuppressant to any patient who may even remotely be suffering from Lyme, or serious, permanent damage may result, especially if given for anything greater than a short course.
If immunosuppressive therapy is absolutely necessary, then potent antibiotic treatment should begin at least 48 hours prior to the immunosuppressants.
The severity of the clinical illness is directly proportional to the spirochete load, the duration of infection, and the presence of co-infections. These factors also are proportional to the intensity and duration of treatment needed for recovery.
More severe illness also results from other causes of weakened defenses, such as from severe stress, immunosuppressants medications, and severe intercurrent illnesses.
This is why steroids and other immunosuppressants medications are absolutely contraindicated in Lyme. This also includes intra-articular steroids."
An easy explanation. Your immune system are the "soldiers" of your body constantly standing by to attack any foreign invader.
When an immunosuppressant is used, it is like killing off or knocking out most of your "soldiers", now your body is open to all foreign invasion and while your immune system is knocked out, those invaders can go anywhere, your heart, liver, brain - everywhere.
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- Here's a recent thread discussing low dose hydrocortisone (Cortef) for adrenal fatigue with lyme - if everything else has first been tried for adrenal support.
Again, Cortef is not the same as Prednisone.
Many links here explain more about various support measures for adrenal health:
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Pamoisondelune , thanks for detailed informations that you gave. I knew the roles of cinnamon and garlic in diabetes but I did not know the effects of acupuncture and acid foods. Morever, cider vinegar is weakining, if it does not give any harm to my stomache I can think of using cider vinegar. Especially, I am thinking of searching the effect of acupuncture in diabetes. Here, a doctor who applies colon hydrotherapy claims that he treats type 1 diabetes after cleaning of 3-4 colons. I do not know whether it is charlatanry or real. But it is not persuasive for me.
Keebler; I will bear your suggestions my mind. I have been taking herbal adrenal suppport for 4 months and (2,5 mg) prednisolon at low level for 2 months. In Dr. Jacob Teitelbaum's book Fatigue to Fantastic .it is said that 20 mg cortef or instead of it 1,5-3,5 mg prednisolonun can be taken at adrenal insufficiency. Adrenal insufficiency has also a feature of increasing inflammation on the body. Immun system shows excessive reaction to inflamatuar occurrences. Morever, adrenal insufficiency reduces pain threshold, increases the pain and fatigue. But it is beneficial to quit prednisolon and make blood test again. Because perhaps, the level of cortison can reach the normal level with ab and adrenal support treatment and prednisolone that I take can be unnecessary and harmful. Unfortunately, Lyme incident is scarce in Turkey and there is not a doctor who has a well knowledge about Lyme either.
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"Conclusions/interpretation IL1B is upregulated in adipose tissue of obese and insulin-resistant mouse models and may play an important role in the development of insulin resistance in murine and human adipose cells."
"Glucose- induced insulin secretion from the isolated perfused pancreas was significantly lower in IL-1β treated rats compared to controls. These data demonstrate that chronic IL-1β administration alters glucose homeostasis and impairs glucose-induced insulin secretion."
Why? Bb is PFK dependent. This is phosphofructokinase which is the "rate limiting" enzyme that controls glycolysis (using glucose for energy). Insulin activates PFK.
There are several things that inactivate PFK (PFK1 and PFK2).
The defense cells infected with Bb are following the glycolysis pathway.
Cancer cells too are strictly reliant on glucose.
A LONG time ago, I read "if we can get hydrogen back into any cell, we can heal that cell".
Getting hydrogen into the cells is not the problem. Getting hydrogen into the mitochondria is a problem.
Bb looks to exchange H for Na.
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<<<<< Ahmet'>>>>>,
Thanks for posting these questions, I am diabetic, who has Lyme and Bart' and am having issues w/ my blood sugars,...it is very annoying...
Finance situation has made procuring proper supplements a bit more difficult than I like, a friend has been helping some w/ the supplements...
I will need to increase some of my supplements, and try to rest more too...
Hubby TxC, and I will be thinking of you,and hoping the best for you!!!
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Silverwolf, I am sorry that you live the same situation. But I believe that as Lyme improves, diabetes will be more regular. Thanks for your best wishes.Ahmet
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