RZR
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Sorry, but I am a little confused about some of the foods allowed. I am suffering from yeast.
Are dairy products allowed? Dr. B's guidelines says unrestricted, but I have heard conflicting opinions. I love me some cheese, milk and sour cream!
Is vinegar allowed? I have read that it can be used as a douch and a mouth rinse to kill yeast, but have read different opinions about whether it is allowed in the diet.
What about soy sauce? I have one that's ingredients are only 2 carbs per tbsp. Can we have this or not?
Whole grains? Is bread that is whole grains allowed or not because it contains yeast? If not, what can I use for a sandwich?
Corn tortillas? I keep reading different opinions.
Can anyone recommend a good "yeast diet" cookbook that has a few desserts listed? I need recipes that are easy to prepare, as I hate cooking!
Thank you!
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Well, it depends upon how strict you need to be with your diet. How bad is your yeast?
If you're going all out for the kill, then vinegar is not good for ingesting. I think it can kill beneficial bacteria. Same with soy sauce, as it probably contains vinegar. (??)
BUT.. you can drive yourself crazy trying to find something to eat!!
When I was trying to be very strict years ago, I did NOT eat any grains, soy sauce, ketchup, etc. Nothing like that.. but I only stayed that strict for about 2 months.
Then eased off the strict diet as my yeast problems died down.
Corn tortillas are like any other simple carb.
Dr Crook's Yeast Connection book also contains recipes. I think he even has a cookbook. He is not that strict about carbs, which I found puzzling.
I know, the diet is tough for me too! Go to a health food store and buy the Ezekiel bread. They have one that is cinnamon raisin, and it is great. I toast this every morning.
I eat corn tortillas and sweet potatoes. I seem to be doing ok on yeast so far.
Some of these questions depend on how bad your yeast is.
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Some of these questions depend on how bad your yeast is.
Absolutely. Sweet potatoes are basically OK. You can make a stevia and cinnamon mix to put on them too!
If you're eating carbs such as breads, check the sugar content.
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canefan17
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Vinegar? negative (that's why we avoid condiments like mustard, etc..)
Dairy? Please. Negative.
Whole grains? whole grains are no bueno no matter what some people tell you. Look in to ezekiel bread maybe.
Corn tortillas- ya those are fine
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All of those you listed are not allowed. I've been on the diet for 6 months
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if you're not going to be crazy strict, some whole grains, primarily quinoa, are ok. Soak them first for 8 hours before cooking though
I've never been crazy strict about it, more or less just made sure I ate more veggies than anything, and the grains I eat mostly consist of quinoa and soba noodles (100% buckwheat-which is NOT wheat at all).
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- First, I would never use vinegar as a "douche" as some yeasts love vinegar and you could make matters far worse. Good book:
Women's Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine: Alternative Therapies and Integrative Medicine for Total Health and Wellness
By Tori Hudson, ND
About $17 at Amazon
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About nourishment choices:
Rather than a sandwich, a piece of chicken or wild salmon, lots of vegetables - or lots of vegetables with a bowl of lentils and quinoa may serve you better - with chicken or without.
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Dairy, Gluten (in wheat, barley and rye), and Corn.
Generally, these foods cause more phlegm in your respiratory system (harboring more germs) and can "gum" up the immune system:
Most patients with sore throats, sinus or ear trouble are instructed to have a diet free of all those. Lyme patients, too, are advised to avoid these foods but GLUTEN is the one that is most important to avoid for lots of reasons, even in a tiny amount. It's effects can be seen for months after consumption so it's really important to avoid gluten. You will feel better for doing so.
However, if you suspect celiac, you might want to first be tested for that. Even without celiac, most LLMDs want their patients to be on a very strict non-gluten diet - for very good reasons that would take too much energy to detail right now.
Now, if you buy alternate milks, they are best found in the refrigerated case at your grocery as those cartons don't have the plastic liner of the square boxes elsewhere in the store.
But you must get UNSWEETENED soy, almond or rice milk as many kinds have a sickening amount of rice syrup added.
Some say soy is hard on the thyroid, others say it is not. I enjoy soy milk and do very well with it. However, soy can also be a common allergen.
Rotation of your foods is a good idea, never eating the same thing day in and day out. For instance, if you have eggs for breakfast, no more than 3 days in a row and then one or two days off.
Good lean meats and other sources of protein . . . good fats . . . non-gluten whole grains, vegetables and very tart fruits (in moderation after a meal).
Non-gluten whole grains have some very good nutrition and energy that your body needs. You can enjoy QUINOA ("keen-wa") especially - as that has a great amino acid profile and is lower on the glycemic index than other grains. It is very light but is good fuel for your body.
Many find that proteins, good fats and carbohydrates from only vegetables are not enough. QUINOA is the perfect answer. Regular or red - fixed many ways.
Other non-gluten whole grains, in moderation, include Amaranth, Millet, Wild Rice (really a grass), Buckwheat (really a legume), all kinds of brown, red and black rices.
Legumes - also a whole new world. Lentils are wonderful to help balance glycemic index (diabetics are instructed to enjoy these daily). You can cook beans in so many different ways and with a little Quinoa and lots of vegetables, your body will get good nutrition.
As for soy sauce, it contains wheat but if you get wheat-free TAMARI, you won't know the difference. When you go out, take your own in a tiny container so as not to use that in the restaurants. That's a good idea for all sauces and dressings, too.
For dessert: raspberries, other berries . . . tart apples. Nuts.
for sweetening, a tiny bit of pure Stevia (read the label as not all are really what they say). Absolutely NO artificial sweeteners. Actually, NO artificial anything. No dyes, colors, additives, etc. You will feel much better avoid all that.
Of particular danger: Aspartame/Nutrasweet/Equal as that is toxic to your brain cells, especially for lyme patients. MSG, too, in all its name (just Google).
I think you will enjoy all the FLAVORS of good foods - add spices and garden herbs. A MEDITERRANEAN DIET is a good idea. Do enjoy flavor. That is important.
Grill or saute an onion and build from there. Anyone can be a gourmet chef if they start with an onion.
ENJOY good, healthy, flavorful foods in all the colors and textures. Select based on if it comes from the earth. If not, it's not really food.
THE REQUIREMENTS OF PROTEIN & AMINO ACID DURING ACUTE & CHRONIC INFECTION . . .
Anura V. Kurpad - Institute of Population Health & Clinical Research, Bangalore, India 129. Indian J Med Res 124, August 2006, pp 129-148.
Excerpt:
" . . . In general, the amount of EXTRA protein that would appear to be needed is of the order of 20-25 per cent of the recommended intake, for most infections. . . ."
- Full article at link (or google the title if it does not go through). -
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The same brand that makes Ezekiel bread (Food for Life) makes sprouted tortillas. They will probably be in the frozen section. Those would probably be acceptable tortillas. My understanding is that the glycemic index is low, like the bread they make.
Here is a decent recipe book I got from amazon.com: "Healthful Eating: A Cookbook for Those with Candida, Celiac Disease & Diabetes" by Lynette J. Hall.
It has desserts like macaroons, cakes and cookies....using things like almond flour and stevia.
Just warning you...the desserts are not that great. It's hard to get anything light and fluffy without wheat flour. But maybe it will fill a void for you at least.
I personally am not too strict with diet. I have found that it doesn't make a big difference either way for me, though I do try to eat very nutrient-dense foods. Some Lymies have to stick to strict diets though.
I prefer more of a Weston A. Price inspired diet, like in the book Nourishing Traditions by Fallon.
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Qunioa is really a miracle-I make it for breakfast with coconut milk and water, a stevia packet and cinnamon-so good!
I always soak my quinoa, beans and lentils for 8 hours-some beans I'll even sprout before making chili (just a little9like maybe an 1/8 inch sprout).
I make a black bean mushroom chili that is awesome and easy. The slow cooker is my best friend haha.
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elley,
I bought qunioa recently.
Soak for 8 hours? Can you explain?
I just throw em in a pan and boil them.
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- I've never seen that about soaking quinoa before. Hmmmm.
Regular white quinoa: I just rinse very well in a VERY, VERY fine meshed strainer, add to boiling water. Cook 20 minutes.
The reason regular quinoa MUST be rinsed is to wash off the layer of natural pesticide that is very bitter and will make it taste awful. This would not hurt us but would not help us, either and it really tastes repulsive - I've forgotten to rinse a time or two.
The first time, I used a regular strainer and it all fell through.
RED quinoa: add directly to water, soups, etc. No rinsing required.
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You don't have to, but I made a habit of doing it-cooks in half the time also which is short already for quinoa. Quinoa also isn't technically a grain I don't think-same for buckwheat-i think they are technically fruits or seeds I am not sure which. All i know is that it cooks so much quicker-like 8 minutes, and in the AM it helps.
I started soaking everything years ago because of my GI issues. I'm sure its not really necessary for some things, but I notice my quinoa is a bit fluffier when soaked. Really though, it would be the least of my worries.
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This is not good to use if you have an active candida infection but when it's under control - a little bit of this with lots of veggies to balance it out can make your day:
-2 and 1/2 cups dried black beans, rinsed -i tbsp extra virgin olive oil -1/4 teaspoon mustard powder -2 tbsp chili poweder -2 tbsp cumin 2 onions (medium sized) chopped -1 pound sliced mushrooms (I mix up which kinds I use) -8 ounces tomatillos, husked, rinsed, chopped -3 cloves garlic-chopped -sea salt-to taste-I use lots!! -5 1/2 cups veggie/chicken/mushroom broth -1 6 ounce can tomato paste -2 tablespoons chipotle peppers (ground up in a powder) -fresh clinatro/lime wedges/sour cream (if you're allowed-I eat it)
1. soak beans overnight in 2 quarts water, drain beans, discard the liquid 2. in a pan combine oil/mustard powder/chili powder/cumin heat until spices sizzle. Add onion, garlic, mushrooms, tomatillos. Cook about 10 minutes and add tomato paste, broth, chipotle powder. 3. place beans in slow cooker with veggie mixture. Cook on low 8 hours. 4. garnish with cilantro-I love lots of it-lime juice-sour cream-and even more sea salt haha!
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Also I have a recipe for a great dairy free egg custard as well-uses eggs, coconut milk, rice milk, stevia and cinnamon-great when you're wanting dessert. You can add berries if you're not being too strict-or shredded coconut.
Baked Custard: preheat oven to 350
beat together 6 orgainc omega 3 fatty acid eggs with:
6-8 packets of stevia (depends on how sweet you want it)
teaspoon of real vanilla extract (optional or use some other extract if you wish)
Now, I know for alot of you fruit is a big no no, but blueberries are an antioxdant powerhouse, high fiber, and really you only end up eating a small amount, same with any other berry you may use. Point being, feel free to mix in:
2 handfuls of any berry, shredded and unsweetened coconut, almond slivers, pecans
In a small pot:
mix 2 cups of rice milk or almond milk with 1 cup of organic coconut milk
Heat the milk mixture up until it comes to an almost boil.
lighlty grease a round cake pan (or custard dishes) with coconut oil.
Add hot milk mixture SLOWLY to stevia & egg & fruit mixture. Once blended poor into pan (dishes).
Sprinkle with cinammon
Place pan (dishes) in a water bath...a large roasting pan will due. Just place the custard pan inside the roasting pan and fill with hot almost boiling water up to the top of the custard line.
Place in oven, center rack. Bake for about 30-45 minutes, it will be done when a knife insterted in center comes out clean.
It works as a great breakfast or dessert.
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Like all of you I'm on a strict candida-free diet. I really like using Amaranth as a grain. Just wanted to pass that along...
Good for making breakfast cereal, crackers, flat breads, "quick breads", even pie crust.
It's a wonder food! So good and safe for us yeasty Lymies...
Also, in addition to the Yeast Connection book, I've also found Feast Without Yeast (by Bruce Semon and Lori Kornblum) to be a handy one...it's got recipes, which is why I like it.
Jennie - NO to all of the foods you listed! The only dairy I ever consume is goat's milk Kefir because it's so full of good bacteria. But even that could be made with coconut milk and would probably be better...
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