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will pinella help with a hyped up nervous system (pulsing, tingling, vibrating)? i just bought two bottles as it was recommended, so i hope it will help.
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I just got some recently. I now am taking it a couple times a day. It really does work for me. It's no miracle, but I have yet to find anything that is a miracle for any of my symptoms. It's a good anti-inflammatory as well.
I will have to give it some more days to come to a definite opinion. I did fall asleep right after the first dose if that means anything. I wasn't planning to, and it's not sedating as far as I know.
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- It's sure not the first thing I'd think of, especially all by itself.
After Magnesium, Holy Basil (also called Tulsi) comes to mind.
If the single herb, Pinellia, was recommended to you I assume it was from a doctor of some sort and one who is LL but also who has a degree from a naturopathic college or is an licensed acupuncturist - so they have at least four years' training in herbal medicine? This herb really requires knowledge behind its use.
Is this in a formula? It is usually in a formula with other herbs to balance. Mostly reserved for use with nasty coughs. I've taken it - in a formula - for some serious coughs. It has been wonderful to stop that machine-gun sort of spasm cough and also to help me breath by dispelling mucous and opening airways - and even stuffed ears.
Be absolutely certain you have a reputable source. Safety notes below.
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From ``The One Earth Herbal Sourcebook'' (Tillotson, et.al.)
WHAT IT DOES: Pinellia tuber is pungent in taste and warming in action. It dries up and dissolves mucus in the lungs, stomach and intestines, and stops nausea and vomiting.
. . . In animal experiments, taste stimulation by pinellia tuber caused suppression of gastric vagus nerve activity, while stimulation with ginger root caused an increase in nerve activity. . . .
RATING: Yellow, due to limitations in use and potential minor toxicity.
SAFETY ISSUES: Pinellia must be processed prior to use, to remove toxic elements (Li et al., 1991, reported in Yeung, 1983). The traditional method is to cook it with ginger, vinegar and/or alum.
Do not use during pregnancy.
Do not use long term.
Do not use with bleeding disorders.
Use only under the guidance of a trained professional.
. . . The situation for Chinese herbalists is complicated by the fact that the report of ephedrine in pinellia has been from tests with the source material Pinellia ternata (referred to as "northern banxia," pictured upper left) while most of the pinellia used in China and in the West is actually from a related plant that has the same uses: Typhonium flagelliforme (referred to as "southern banxia," pictured lower right), which has no ephedrine.
PINELLIA, ARISAEMA, ACORUS, and TYPHONIUM - by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D.
Excerpts:
Pinellia, arisaema, acorus, and typhonium are Chinese herbs that all come from the Araceae family; they are the only members of this family that are used extensively in the Chinese medical system. . . . The underground portions (a corm-like rhizome) of each of the herbs are the parts used in medicine.
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PINELLIA
Pinellia refers to the tuber of Pinellia ternata (see Figure 1), known to the Chinese as banxia. However, several species of Arisaema (including A. yunnanense, A. bathycoleum, A. saxatile, and A. prazeri) are used as substitutes, illustrating the close relationship between these two genera of the Araceae (1). Even one variety of typhonium, Typhonium flagelliforme, is used as banxia in China.
The raw material is somewhat toxic . . . . For internal medicine, processed pinellia is almost always used in modern practice.
. . . Consuming fresh ginger is a remedy for poisoning due to accidental ingestion of raw pinellia (8). In the following discussion of pinellia, only the processed herb is considered.
. . . Pinellia is one of the primary herbs for treating a phlegm-damp syndrome, which is represented by copious amounts of thick sputum or accumulations in the body of thick fluid. This key herb is most commonly combined with . . . .
. . . Pinellia also has the reputation of lowering adversely rising stomach qi (counterflow of qi). . . .
. . . The chemical composition of pinellia is not well established, with small amounts of alkaloids being identified, including traces of ephedrine. . . .
. . . the herb is always used in complex formulas. . . .
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please let me know if you find that these are two different substances, as is my impression. I am currently using pinella and would hate to be using a potentially toxic substance
Thanks!
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- Stork,
I see that the product has only pinella with water and alcohol (to preserve it). At the strength listed on the label (at their site), I'm sure it's in the safety range. As to the source, while I don't use their products, this company can be trusted as to the quality and source of their products. It's a pretty safe bet that the correct type of pinellia is being used. That's the most important aspect to avoid toxicity - being sure of the right species is used.
As to the purpose and if it should be a sole supplement, I can't say. I would not take it by itself but, then, most of us take several complementary supplements throughout the day.
I looked at PubMed but nothing popped right out so I defer to the links above and suggest that when herbs are recommended they be done so by someone with years of training in herbal medicine and a degree in that. Or - a LLMD who has consulted experts about these things and studied more on their own.
This is just the first I've every heard of Pinellia being used solely and in this manner. Still, it is not for long term use, according to links above which I find very reputable. However, that can also depend upon what other supplements are prescribed to go with it. Professional instruction matters.
But, always, if it makes anything worse - back off. This is not a top tier attack for infection so if this does not work or causes undo effects, there's always another way.
But, mostly, there are far better options if one want relaxation. Magnesium, Holy Basil (Tulsi) are two good places to begin.
For anyone with porphyria concerns (KPU, etc.), even the minimal amount of alcohol in any tincture may be too much and can cause hyper-excitability, especially if taken in too little water.
--- To be clear, I'm not a health professional of any type. Just sharing what I've learned along the way.
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Pinella and parsely from nutramedix suggested by LLMD seemed to be successful in helping with headache, brain fog and speech issues when the meds for babesia and lyme were increased. No nausea when taking it and almost no taste. It is mixed with a good amount of water which will also help get rid of the toxins. Nutramedix shipped quick and had a good deal when ordering a larger quantity.
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