richedie
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I talked to a nutritionist who said she got well by doing 100% raw food for 3 years PLUS wobenzyme.
Has anyone tried this route?
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randibear
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hmm, i know it's an integral part of getting better but i didn't know you could do it alone.
anybody???
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Keebler
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- He may not have had lyme. Or he was very lucky.
Infection MUST be specifically addressed. Wobenzyme can be very helpful but as to how it works with spirochetes and cyst form - might be something to look further into.
While whole foods and some raw foods can be great, a stressed liver will be further stressed by a entire diet of only raw foods. The liver is vital to good digestion and has to work very hard with some raw foods. Many with lyme have very stressed digestion all the way around.
JUICING would be a better idea for some of the hard veggies, LIGHT STEAMING for others makes them more easily digested.
Raw for a few of those more easily digested such as the dark berries or tart apples - or small servings of celery and a few carrot sticks. Chew very well.
This advice came from my naturopathic doctor when I posed this question to her.
In addition to some plant protein, my body really needs animal protein twice a day. While some raw food enthusiasts are vegetarian or even vegan . . . there is one end of the raw foods movement that advises eating raw meat.
THAT can be very dangerous and bring about life-threatening infections and worms of various types. Avoid raw or undercooked meats, eggs or fish. These should all be thoroughly cooked.
You might pick up some books on JUICING at your library. Remember, though, not too many carrots and a small glass of juice goes a long way. Jumbo glasses are too much sugar and just too many calories all at once, too.
And Juicing can be incorporated into a diet with steamed veggies and other cooked foods. Be sure to eat ALL the pulp, somehow - in cold salads or soups but it is important to get all the fiber back in to your body - that is as important to body cleansing as anything, the fiber. -
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Keebler
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- Hey, Wobenzyme is still a very good supplement. I just have to question as to if it would be enough, along with raw foods diet, for every single lyme patient.
Do you also have coinfections? THAT can change things, too.
First, it is important to learn ALL about the spirochete. This is a start:
BIOCHEMISTRY OF LYME DISEASE: BORRELIA BURGDORFERI SPIROCHETE / CYST
by Prof. Robert W. Bradford and Henry W. Allen (2006)
EXCERPTS:
. . . A discovery of great importance relating to a toxin produced by the causative agent of Lyme disease, Borrelia burgdorferi, has been linked to a similar toxin produced by the organism Clostridium botulinum (botulism). . . .
[extensive explanation of:]
* Lyme Disease Toxin . . .
* Action of Toxin . . .
* Dietary Supplements in Lyme Disease . . .
. . . .
- Full article and great photos at link above.
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NOTE OF CAUTION: While this is an excellent article regarding the information about the spirochete/cyst, there is one serious caution with one of the treatments suggested: Bismuth.
Bismuth, in extreme forms or methods of use, can be dangerous (and has been connected to fatality from IV use). If you download the article, please copy and paste this note to top your page.
Reading - and learning - about the nature of this infection is invaluable. The authors offer much in that regard, I just wish they'd adequately cautioned that bismuth requires lots of education. -
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Keebler
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- There is much more to learning about the spirochete than the article above. You'd want to learn more.
Then learn ALL you can about Wobenzyme, not just from their literature but also from 3rd party authors - those who are not connected in anyway to the company.
Ask your LLMD. Read what LLMDs have to say about it.
I wonder if you could find out about that person who did well with Wobenzyme and diet alone. Can you find out how long he had lyme - was it neurolyme? . . . were there other infections, etc. Had he done any other anti-spirochete treatments early on?
I have to wonder but also, with anyone saying they are all better, it's good to ask more questions. We may learn something valuable. Or not. But you have to take a full look before you will know.
Oh, and HOW MUCH Wobenzyme. Some take a ton of this. It's very expensive, indeed. I could never afford the dose my doctor wanted me to take. So, can he get me a cut rate?
Just realized we are talking about a she, not a he. I'm not going back to change all my pronouns. I hope you find out some interesting and helpful stuff. Let us know, okay? -
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gwb
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Dr Ron is a big proponent of eating raw meats. He too has lyme disease and keeps it under control by eating healthy including the westonprice.org way of eating.
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- But there are often parasites in raw meats. How does one reconcile with that? Some life-threatening infections, beside parasites, can be transmitted with raw meat. And one may not know for some time afterward.
Puzzling, indeed. -
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I think it depends on how sick you are. I went into remission twice on diet, sunshine, and exercise. A third time, which lasted 12 years until I was bitten again, I did the same, got my amalgams removed, and chelated.
But, when I got bitten again and got more coinfections (babesia), I did not get better, it wasn't enough.
My diet used to consist of about 60-80% raw foods and juicing along with cooked meats, breads, pasta, rice, etc. The most recent illness killed my gut, now everything has to be cooked. The longer I'm well, and the longer I work on healing my gut with fermented foods, the better it's getting.
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Everyone has different genetics. For me, eating well did not help. I bet some people have specific genetics that may make them resistant to Lyme - so, they don't get effected as badly by it as others do.
Just a hunch... If some people can get well with diet alone it may not be true of everyone. I always think it's good to eat well but I'm not sure if it's a cure.
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It's helpful to get a food allergy test done, so we know what foods adversely affect our immune systems.
By avoiding those foods, we can help the process along, but I don't think most of us could not get well on diet alone.
The thought of eating raw meat just creeps me out. Like someone mentioned above, parasites, and all kinds of bacteria that can make a person really sick. Scary.
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Good strong stomach acid, which we should all have, will generally kill paras + many bacteria. I hope you don't believe those drug pushing acid reflux ads.
Allergies ? You can get tested (ALL ages) with specific computers very quickly. And many respond well to NAET. After that you do not have to avoid those foods.
Too good to be true ? Some things in life are
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GiGi says it is too good to be true.
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I think it would be a mistake to rely only on diet to deal with such a formidable infection and especially for those of us with several co-infections.
Over the decades that I've had lyme disease and co-infections, I've had several remissions by making some chanages in lifestyle. For many years, I didn't know what was wrong with me or I would have dealt with the infections.
At one time, my diet consisted of homemade vegetable and fruit juices and lightly steamed vegetables and some other natural remedies and I had a remission but then I had a bout of stress which caused a major relapse and nothing brought me back after that.
Had I been dealing with the infections and had the diet and other things I was doing in place, I've no doubt that I would have done much better. Oh, I agree with keebler, we need some animal protein too.
Terry I'm not a doctor
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richedie
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I wasn't trying to start trouble. She is reputable and recommended by my LLMD. This is how she got better......not everyone.
She said she has also gotten another person well on an 80% raw diet. She doesn't get a lot of Lyme patients her way but always recommends what I said above.
The 100% raw would be tough for me. I do eat TONS of raw foods, nuts, veggies, fruit, etc...but I eat plenty of cooked foods. I am not a big meat eater but eat it a few times a week.
She mentioned she switched to Transformational Enzyms TPP Protease as a better product. She feels you have to take thee enzymes in order to break down the proteins. She fels this is essential in any lyme protocol.
Thinking you need animal protein is old thinking. Protein is protein. That has been proven time and time again. I have the college text books with the research that proves it time and time again. A book dosen't necessarily prove it, but there is too much research and real life experience thourhg time and various cultures to think otherwise. I am not going to argue, I just hate to see people misled, that's all.
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Keebler
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- "She doesn't get a lot of Lyme patients her way . . ."
I'd sure want to work with someone who has years of experience and has treated hundreds or thousands of other lyme patients, most of whom got better. Someone who has professional communication with other LLMDs and LLNDs.
Does she know the science behind the spirochete?
If you go without animal protein be sure to supplement L-CARNITINE and TAURINE, as well as the usual B-12. There is not enough of those in plants. And those with chronic infection require more protein in order to make enough glutathione, necessary for the liver to do its job. -
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THE REQUIREMENTS OF PROTEIN & AMINO ACID DURING ACUTE & CHRONIC INFECTION . . .
Anura V. Kurpad - Institute of Population Health & Clinical Research, Bangalore, India 129. Indian J Med Res 124, August 2006, pp 129-148.
Excerpt:
" . . . In general, the amount of EXTRA protein that would appear to be needed is of the order of 20-25 per cent of the recommended intake, for most infections. . . ."
- Full article at link (or google the title if it does not go through). -
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The way to eat raw meat is to put it in the freezer for 24 hours or so - I forget the time needed. It kills parasites.
I am having to consider going this route - not to heal Lyme - my tests from Metametrix show that it is probably not possible now - but to reduce some of the symptoms which are becoming intolerable - the pain and the depression.
I consulted a doctor/naturopath and although he did not say I was incuable, I know from what he left out.
The problem is the high level of toxins and the inability to detox.
I will report how I get on but will not be able to start till the new crops start coming in to the shops.
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