The following is a line by line critique of the Healthcare Bill and should be shared with all. Many MaoObambi supporters support but don't know what is in the bill, so enlighten them!
This letter appeared in the Indianapolis Star (which is owned by the same people who own the Arizona Republic ) and was sent to a very popular Indiana Senator. This just goes to show everyone what pressure these Democrats are currently under, so continue to let them know how you feel about the healthcare bill.
Bill Stough
Shock to NBC This morning.
An Indianapolis doctor's letter to Sen. Bayh about the Bill (Note: Dr. Stephen E. Fraser, MD practices as an anesthesiologist in Indianapolis, IN ) Here is a letter I sent to Senator Bayh.. Feel free to copy it and send it around to all other representatives. -- Stephen Fraser
Senator Bayh,
As a practicing physician I have major concerns with the health care bill before Congress. I actually have read the bill and am shocked by the brazenness of the government's proposed involvement in the patient-physician relationship. The very idea that the government will dictate and ration patient care is dangerous and certainly not helpful in designing a health care system that works for all. Every physician I work with agrees that we need to fix our health care system, but the proposed bills currently making their way through congress will be a disaster if passed.
I ask you respectfully and as a patriotic American to look at the following troubling lines that I have read in the bill. You cannot possibly believe that these proposals are in the best interests of the country and our fellow citizens.
Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure!!
Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you. You have no choice!
Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise.
Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals' finances & a 'National ID Health card' will be issued! (Papers please!)
Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer. (Time for more cash and carry)
Page 65 Sec 164: Is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community organizations: (ACORN).
Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the 'Exchange.'
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans -- The Govt will ration your health care!
Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens.)
Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups (i.e. ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. (AARP members - your health care WILL be rationed!) Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. (No choice.)
Page 12 4 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt monopoly.
Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what salary you can make.
Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!)
Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees ANDtheir families. (Employees shouldn't get excited about this as employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense.)
Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll! (See the last comment in parenthesis.) Page 150 Lines 9-13: A business with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn't provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.
Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.) (Like always)
Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin.. will have access to ALL Americans' finances and personal records. (I guess so they can 'deduct' their fees)
Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." (Yes, it really says that!) ( a 'fee' instead) Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors. (Low-income and the poor are affected.)
Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors: It doesn't matter what specialty you have trained yourself in -- you will all be paid the same! (Just TRY to tell me that's not Socialism!)
Page 253 Line 10-18: The Govt sets the value of a doctor's time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally-- the value of humans.)
Page 265 Sec 1131: The Govt mandates and controls productivity for "private" HC industries.
Page 268 Sec 1141: The federal Govt regulates the rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever the Govt deems preventable (i.e...re-admissions).
Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors: If you treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -- the Govt will penalize you.
Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Govt tells doctors what and how much they can own!)
Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion. (The Govt is mandating that hospitals cannot expand.) Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. (Can you say ACORN?)
Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: The Govt mandates establishment of=2 outcome-based measures. (HC the way they want -- rationing.) Page 341 Lines 3-9: The Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Govt plan)
Page 354 Sec 1177: The Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of 'special needs people!' Unbelievable!
Page 379 Sec 1191: The Govt creates more bureaucracy via a "Tele-Health Advisory Committee." (Can you say HC by phone?)
Page 425 Lines 17-19: The Govt will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. (And it's mandatory!) Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: The Govt provides an "approved" list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death. (Also called 'assisted suicide.')(Sounds like Soylent Green to me.)
Page 427 Lines 15-24: The Govt mandates a program for orders on "end-of-life." (The Govt has a say in how your life ends!)
Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced-care planning consultant" will be used frequently as a patient's health deteriorates.
Page 429 Lines 10-12: An "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans.. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?)
Page 429 Lines 13-25: The GOVT will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.. (I wouldn't want to stand before God after getting paid for THAT job!)
Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end-of-life! (Again -- no choice!)
Page 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services = Non-Profit Organizations. (Hello? ACORN Medical Services here!?!)
Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover marriage and family therapy. (Which means Govt will insert itself into your marriage even.)
Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.
Senator, I guarantee that I personally will do everything possible to inform patients and my fellow physicians about the dangers of the proposed bills you and your colleagues are debating.
Furthermore, if you vote for a bill that enforces socialized medicine on the country and destroys the doctor-patient relationship, I will do everything in my power to make sure you lose your job in the next election.
Respectfully,
Stephen E. Fraser, MD
Dear Reader,
I urge you to use the power that you were born with (and the power that may soon be taken away) and circulate this email to as many people as you can reach. The Power of the People can stop this idiocy from happening to us, our parents, our grandparents, our children, and to following generations
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Keebler
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- Do you have the orignal link to that?
I tried to find it but there were so many places this has been printed or posted. Here's one link I found with the entire letter - but still not authenticated.
I was intrigued by the email so I downloaded the proposed HC bill passed by the Senate. I looked at the first dozen references in the email and none of the language even comes close to what is in the actual bill.
As an example, the letter states ``Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!''
If you look at the HC Bill that page and section gives a definition for Employment Based Retiree Health Coverage. Another example ``Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer.''
That page and section talks about the prohibition of reduction of benefits for retirees in health plans. In short, it looks like the email is a hoax intended to fool gullible individuals and get people all [mad] at one another. . . .
This is the actual Bill published on the US Senate web site.
I can't get the site to go through right now but it would be best to see the official site. -
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Yes, if the gov takes over health care here, it will be a disaster, and a major step backwards in "actual" insurance benefits for everyone.
I can understand that the uninsured want this bill to be passed so that they will be covered, but what you will end up with is coverage for everyone, with very little benefits for anyone.....unless it's just something basic like an apendectomy or tonsillectomy. You can forget treatment for Lyme...thats for sure!
Lyme Disease or many of the other controversial conditions will be swept under the covers by the powers that be, just as they are now.
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First of all, this shouldn't be in medical.
Second of all, since things often get out of hand here, starting a posting about "MaoObama" is just asking for trouble.
Third, what you posted is NOT the bill. This is a very well known and widely debunked email that has been making the rounds.
I was sent the same exact thing, though the author claimed to be a Texas Federal Judge.
You know, posting what someone else has mass-mailed you is not the same as actually knowing the bill, or what is in it. Which you do not.
The thing that bothers me is that it's meant to panic/scare people. The title of your post "The end of lyme treatment" falls into the same category.
This just simply should not be here.
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LOL MaoObama. First time I have heard that. If you study carefully the ones fighting the hardest to
prevent this bill are the same ones who want to prevent Lyme patients a diagnosis, testing, and
treatment. Why? They don't want to lose what they have had going for them for years. Corporate Greed.
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The whole thing is a political football... I haven't had insurance for over 10 years. I worked & paid into the system for 25.
I heard a right wing protester on the radio saying that people should work for healthcare & that it is not a right but a privilege... In a country as rich as this one is - it's just ignorant to think that way. What would happen to her if she became too ill to work? Healthcare is not a privilege...
I really haven't been following the whole debate. I think Michael_Venice is correct. I'm not sure if the judge did send out the e-mail. I did have someone send it to me.
I just don't understand why we can't have a basic healthcare system here & why it gets turned into a socialist issue. Whichever way it goes - I'm still not going to get the type of care I want for Lyme. So, I'm not so into paying attention to it.
Something has to be done to correct it, though. Over 30 million people do not have any medical care unless they show up at an emergency room. Who pays then?
The insurance companies & the drug companies are so corrupt. Medical school is through the roof & doctors just don't want to even practice any more. Many are disgusted & quit practicing.
Is this country civilized or what? Then, it just seems like the lobbyists or radio personalities are getting all these right wing people agitated to protest socialism. So, it's better that over 30 million people don't have healthcare - in America...?
Maybe we are headed towards a one world government but is what we currently have better? If "they" want to round all the old people up & put them in concentration camps - they will - regardless if this health bill passes or not.
So - it's either the greedy corporations having a free market free- for-all or the Maoists... What a choice...
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Boy, I'm with Sparkle on this one. I was fairly hard on her (him?) in the Lyme book post...
If every single other industrialized country in the world can manage some kind of universal healthcare, why can't we? Don't get that. They're not all socialists or communists.
The extraordinary ugliness coming from those against this bill is astounding and depressing. This bill does very little, as far as I'm concerned. The main thing that might help some of us is some provisions for coverage with pre-existing conditions.
I also....I'd really like to hear someone who screams socialism about this to actually define it, or tell me which other countries are socialist. I have a feeling they could not.
Our healthcare system, and most of the major markers of one (infant mortality rate, life expectancy) is lagging terribly behind most other countries.
I was going to post a link to sites that point to the ACTUAL bill in comparison with this hoax mass email....but I have a feeling this is one of those things that people believe what they want to.
And sparkle is right...if 'they' want to start rounding up people, they're not going to need some flimsy provision in some law to do so. The rounder-uppers don't usually give a lot of due process to the roundees.
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What do we need doctors for anyway. Most of us had to diagnose ourselves. I envision us walking
into a hospital one day-if we make it that long as a species-and typing or telling a computer
what we need and its wham, bam, thank you mam.
Colleges and schools are going broke-banks are going broke-business's are going broke-and on and
on. It does no good to point fingers or place blame. We are just as much at fault for letting it happen!
Come Nov. you should vote for the candidates who tells you they know as much about the issues as you do. If they don't don't vote for them.
We have sat on our rears as a governed people letting them buy America, letting them sell
American companies out of country. Letting them let us stay sick and letting thousands go without a memo of how to test and treat.
If we do not make ourselves heard before Nov. I fear there will not be any money left on the In the Red tab to get us a cotton swab.
Citing IDSA has a very good handle on the situation. Of course.
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Thousands are marching in Washington today for
change of immigration laws. So while the stats say
that 1 in 4 of those ethnic group will get
Alzheimers, do they know why? No
But one thing for sure they will be seen and heard
as everyone is there voting for health care reform.
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These people who can't read or speak English and are hired to clean out road sides, work in the
fields, clean out the brush, have not got a clue to what is giving them Alzheimers, or making them sick. We cannot continue to place blame on
government when we as citizens know the difference.
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- Every person walking on this earth should be treated equally with respect. We need to remember that we have no idea what someone has had to endure and why they leave their homeland.
We can't blame immigrants for getting Alzheimer's because they are not aware that ticks carry lyme that is connected to Alzheimer's.
I would bet that less than 1 % of the natural born citizens know that. The problem is not the hard working immigrants pulling brush - but the lack of education about lyme for all our people. -
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I agree. By other countries looking to the USA for help and support in their own efforts to control
disease, in Lyme we are letting them show the world their lies. They say there is no chronic Lyme and
less fortunate countries believe it.
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The first post in this thread is a hoax, and as checking the bill in question reveals, completely false.
Please delete this nonsense!
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