richedie
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Is it good for us? I have to go read through the bill but has anyone seen the impact on doctor/patient autonomy?
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Pinelady
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richedie I think its a foot in the door.
This is one of the most important things that should not have come down to this time of crisis.
Unfortunately I think it will be a learn as we go experience. With other countries who have already
taken this on, that should give us a shot at not implementing the things they got wrong. But I do
believe we could not afford to wait any longer. Just my opinion.
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My opinion is that anything the government runs does not go well! We as lyme patients already have troubles getting treatments and doctors who can or will treat us. I don't see how this bill helps us and I actually believe it may make it worse for us. My 2 cents
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Pinelady, I agree. I would have to be a heartless individual to sit and watch people, kids without health insurance suffer any longer. I hope this is a huge step in the right direction in helping others! I am excited. What some people don't understand is that this is not socialized health care - it is a public option for those who can not afford. As long as docotr/patient autonomy remains or gets better without the evil insurance companies getting in the way...I am game.
For those who are afraid of the government running anything, pick your poison - the government or the evil insurance companies. Insurance companies insuranced less people this year than the year before but broke records for profits. Insurance companies have enough money in esgrow to buy their own country, but I have to pay out the you know what.
I have to laugh when people say they are afraid of socialized anything. Half of our society in thie country runs on socialism, fire departments, police departments, schools, etc.
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Pinelady
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MSNBC news was comparing it to the civil rights
acts of the 60's when the opposition then was as it is
today. Ironic. I did not know this was tried 3
times throughout history. Ya gotta wonder if it had
not been so highly rejected would our kids now
face the surmounting debt?
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I am hoping it means that if Lyme caused me to lose my job, I could still get health insurance somehow, at a price I would have some chance of affording.
I hope it also means that my current insurance company couldn't decide to dump me because I have Lyme, and that if my employer changes insurance companies every year looking for lower premiums, a future company couldn't refuse to cover the Lyme as a pre-existing condition.
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From what I have read myself and understand from running a business...I believe it is the beginning of the demise for our nation financially, as well as health wise. The train will not be able to slow down once this gets going.
There were some good things in the bill...but the majority will hurt us all big time!
My insurance will not cover my treatments in the future as they are not now anyway. The gov.gives grants to big Pharma...and they will not have a cure for lyme...so do not be dupped into believeing this is good for the chronically ill.
Most of all of our problems are toxin related anyway...our immune systems are malfunctining pre-lyme... so changing preservatives, and pesticides, etc in our food supply and environment is not a part of this...they can't see the root of our situation. This bill just compounds our health situation big time.
The gov. does not believe there is chronic lyme anyway, so no concern of anyone here being dumped because of lyme...there is no conclusive test for chronic lyme and it is unfortunately not on the horizon.
Private research through donations of generous individuals have gotten us so far...and that will also change when the generous are taxed too much to keep donating to causes and their churches, and those less fortunate. Many programs will go down the tubes...and we will all have to pull in our spending big time....and live extremely simply in the future.
society will all be hurt by this. WE have very selfish people pushing this bill down our throats...its all about them politically...dont full yourself.
My connections politically tell me about some of the "private meetings" sweet deals offered personally to those who may not get re-elected due to their unpopular vote...they were told not to worry...they will be remembered...they will be taken care of for this!!!
Our current leaders should be jailed for this sort of bribery!
And those like me, and I dont consider myslef wealthy...as I Live on a budget...and help others with health conditions finaancially...will no longer have enough money to donate to lyme disease cures or other things as I am now to be taxed out my kazoo! I will be paying for those of you who take advantage of this program.
The best and brightest will not want to go into the medical field now to be a part of this for their lifes' work.
More people will be living longer chronically ill, and draining our economy with this particular medical plan. Its a domino effect that will have horrific ramifications.
There is no part that addresses healing the root causes of American chronic illness, only the ability to go to the DR. for tests and surgeries.
It would be much cheaper and more effective for our gov. to hire private business people to monitor and find the current fraud in the medicare/medicaid plans...which is causing a big problem...This is why I believe the insurance co's question so many claims...because there is rampant fraud already...I have witnessed this in my own family....
Especially when people are sent to the hospital for tests...knowing they may not really need them...because they are not paying for them. Thats what the nurses tell me each month at my inlaws nursing home when they send them to the hosp. They find nothing wrong after a $10,000.00 bill! I complain asking why send them without a diagnosis...as this is done so much by them.
They respond, dont worry, you aren't paying for this...medicare is! I say you are wrong...All americans including myself are paying for this in our insurance rates! This type of behavior caused the insurance rate issue! This is scary as this happens all day every day!
The truth is...the insurance co's make very little profit already, as they raise their rates to pay for the chronically ill already, especially those living longer on Medicare and Medicaid...the boomers will add to this in the next two decades...and the costs will be outrageous for those of us who have to pay for the insurance and the businesses who have to supply it, will continue to cut jobs so they can afford to insure less employees...ask anyone who already is effected like my husband who constantly is told to downsize..cut people to keep the business afloat...
Then with less people, productivity is down, and profits are lost! Its a domino effect...everyone looses.
This plan will cost jobs, and give sub-standard care to everyone...ask you LLMD!
WE need a business person running our country...not politicians who need consultants to figure things out! It common sense to the business world.
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Pinelady
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That sounded sorta like what was said when we had our last civil war over slavery. The North vs The South.
Can the denial of a ever increasing illness to thousands of Americans be compared
to the denial of human beings just because of their color to protect the rights they so cherished as slavery vs insurance profits,drug companies profits,guidelines makers.
I think yes.
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"The truth is...the insurance co's make very little profit already"
Pinelady
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quote,"Private research through donations of generous individuals have gotten us so far...and that will also change when the generous are taxed too much to keep donating to causes and their churches, and those less fortunate. Many programs will go down the tubes...and we will all have to pull in our spending big time....and live extremely simply in the future."
They are the reason for this in the first place.
If there was not such corruption they would not
have to be making donations!
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Honestly, I wouldn't doubt that insurance companies aren't making much. How could they, with how expensive healthcare is?
Sure, they get discounts....but still, the price is unreal. The price of a night in the hospital. The price of some of these drugs.
In my mind, the whole problem is the prices that have gotten out of control.
I would rather see the government step in and regulate the PRICES as opposed to regulating what the people do (aka, telling individuals they have to purchase insurance, telling states they need to pay for more people to be insured on Medicaid, etc). The gov is hoping that what they are doing will have an indirect effect on prices, but why not just directly regulate prices (or at least practices of the drug companies) and save everyone the hassle and take out the what-if's?
In general I hate to see too much regulation, but healthcare needs it. The insurance companies aren't as evil as the drug companies, IMO. The drug companies make a product just to "sell" it.
I don't think we need a huge bill with a bunch of mandates for people and states, I think we need some price caps on the drug companies. They need to be forced to tighten their belts. No more paying tons of drug reps to drive around the country, pimping free samples. No more prime-time advertising on TV. WE, the dying, pay for that stuff when we buy drugs!
I don't understand why the drug companies aren't being asked to be held accountable, through all this uproar about healthcare reform. Unless it's because of the lobbyists.
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quote: Massman said:
"The truth is...the insurance co's make very little profit already"
Source please ?
Thanks !
Lightparfait may have been talking about profit margins. Overall profit margins are lower for the health insurance companies than for many other health care related companies.
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