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It's _been_ 10 months since I've been sick and haven't been to the gym at all.
Before getting sick I was ~205lbs strong and muscular. I ran 2-3 miles 3x week and mountain bike on the other days.
I started to workout lightly last week for the first time in 10 months! I currently weigh 161 lbs and my muscles have atrophied and I've very weak. I'm too weak to pick up my 15 month old daughter!
I look like a different person, I look sick
I think I mainly lost all the weight due to my strict diet I'm on and the sauna therapy I did for 8 weeks and not due to the infection/Lyme.
Anyway, Dr. B said it's OK to take Creatine. I want to start taking the weight lifting supplements that I used to take before I got sick.
My current supplements: (in no particular order) Multi-Vitamin Acetyl-L-Carnitine Magnesium B-Complex Milk Thistle NAC Alpha Lipoic Acid Chlorella Boluoke Zinc Vitamin C
Abx: Mepron (soon switching to Malarone for a week then back to Mepron) Zithromax Plaquenil
I want to know if taking Creatine, L-Gutamine, Whey Protein and BCAA's is OK to take in addition to all the supplement I'm on currently during treatment.
Do any of you guys who workout take weight lifting supplements while taking all your other supplements/abx? Will this be too much stress on my liver and kidneys?
I need more energy to workout and I need to gain my strength back.
Any advice is greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance!
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Carol in PA
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Undenatured whey will provide the amino acids your liver needs to make glutathione.
CoEnzyme Q10 will help to provide the cells with "stuff" they need to make energy, and will also help the liver.
Carol
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- Many of the weight lifting formulas have far too much L-Glutamine.
Be VERY careful with L-Gutamine. Just a tiny bit can be very helpful to help heal stomach problems. But it just takes a little.
Too much can cause glutamic acid levels in the brain to rise and can trigger energy surges that are not good for lyme patients as well as irritability, anxiety and even seizures.
Lyme patients generally tend to be too high in the glutamic acid range. Magnesium can help bring that down. -
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- The cautions here about "ALS" and "MS" patients extend to Lyme patients, too.
AMINO ACID SUPPLEMENTS I: GLUTAMINE -with Reference to the Related Compound Glutamate
-by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D. 2000
Excerpt, half way down the article:
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Glutamate in Neurological Diseases
The other concern about glutamate is related to its essential role as a neurotransmitter. The levels of glutamate in the central nervous system (brain and spinal cord) are highly regulated, since the neurons have sensitive receptors for the compound.
In some neurological diseases, it is found that glutamate levels in the central nervous system become unusually high at sites of pathology. This can occur, for example, if the rate of degradation of glutamate is slowed by an impairment of the enzymes that are involved.
Also, glutamate is excreted by immune cells that take part in inflammatory processes; the result is high local concentrations at the neurons in progressive neurological diseases such as MS and ALS.
Glutamate levels in the central nervous system can also increase when the blood brain barrier is substantially weakened, as occurs after neurological surgery.
The excess glutamate at the neuron acts as a poison; at high enough levels, the nerves exposed to glutamate can be completely and permanently damaged, so that they are no longer capable of transmitting signals.
Thus, while glutamate is a major component of the body, and an essential part of the nervous system, high levels localized in the nerve cells can be quite toxic, and this is readily demonstrated in animal models.
Laboratory research has revealed that in the progressive, debilitating disease ALS, one of the many processes involved in disease progression appears to be damage of nerve cells by accumulation of glutamate.
In relation to multiple sclerosis, changes in control of glutamate homeostasis in the central nervous system might contribute to demyelination of the white matter of the brain (19). Based on preliminary animal studies, it has been suggested that glutamate dumped by immune cells can exacerbate the nerve damage (20).
One of the means by which a stroke (causing blockage of blood circulation to the brain) results in brain damage is through an increase in glutamate levels in the brain cells (of course, oxygen deprivation and other effects are also contributors). These findings point to local glutamate excess as an important factor in brain diseases.
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Since glutamine is converted to glutamate, supplementing glutamine at very high levels in persons who have such neurological disorders may be contraindicated.
Therefore, glutamine supplementation in such individuals, if called for, should be limited to about 5-10 grams per day until more is known; high glutamate meals should also be avoided in this situation.
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Remember, Glutamic Acid (and precursors) and L-Glutamine are in food. When figuring the amount, be sure to consider food. It's best to get nutrients from food, anyway. -
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THE REQUIREMENTS OF PROTEIN & AMINO ACID DURING ACUTE & CHRONIC INFECTION . . .
Anura V. Kurpad - Institute of Population Health & Clinical Research, Bangalore, India 129. Indian J Med Res 124, August 2006, pp 129-148.
Excerpt:
" . . . In general, the amount of EXTRA protein that would appear to be needed is of the order of 20-25 per cent of the recommended intake, for most infections. . . ."
- Full article at link (or google the title if it does not go through). -
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Thanks Keebler.... good info.
Been.... I am not sure and am too lazy to go downstairs to check this out right now... (too much hopping around like the Easter bunny all day I guess)....
But isn't Acetyl-L-Carnitine used for weight loss?
Also... is it possible some of your supplements could be sucked up and eliminated by using the chorella ... therefore they are not getting to where they are most needed?
Just some considerations.
I have used most all of what you are taking ... and mixed and matched them over the years. I can't say they helped or didn't... but I can warn if you add more all together and have a problem... you won't know what is causing what.
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I've been in treatment for a year and some change on mino,doxy,biaxin,zith (not at same time). I started working out February of 09. I've used creatine monohydrate (cycled it at times)and Whey Protein (few different brands..mainly ON or NSI brand which contains BCAAS). I havent had any problems .
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Thanks for all the helpful info as usual I'll stay away from L-Glutamine.
Tincup,
I use Acetyl-L-Carnitine for brain function. It has helped me with my memory. Also I take Chorella away from the other supplements usually by 2-3 hours hopefully that's enough.
mwhite18,
Thanks for your input. I'll take Whey and Creatine for now and see how I do.
Can anyone else add anything?
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Another quandry, I have been having eggs to get the lecithin value and had not considered that the high glutamine content might be an issue. Since 15% of the protein in eggs per 100 gm is glutamine I am going to have to total that up for the 9-12 eggs per week that I am having.
Food for thought ( or not)
Beachinit
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I have immense sympathy for your situation. I too was in exactly your position at one point. Fit as can be. Lyme and associated problems took it all. Health, wealth, relationships, etc.
Hopefully you can begin your routine again. I miss the gym tremendously. It's a lifestyle. To have it replaced by Lyme as a lifestyle is just a nightmare.
-------------------- I am not a physician, so do your own research to confirm any ideas given and then speak with a health care provider you trust.
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Yeah muscle milk is great. A good shake I drink 2 to 3 times a day which helps me keep/put weight on is A cup of milk, 1/4 cup of oats, 1 or 2 scoops of whey, a tbs organic peanut butter (sometimes jif if i'm lazy) , a tbsp of olive oil (nasty but u dont notice the taste), a banana, and sometimes i throw in blueberries,raspberries etc.
Good luck with lifting and dieting to put muscle back on..it can be a pain sometimes if your on doxy/mino and you cant have dairy within 2 hours or magnesium,etc. which is in tons of protein tub. www.bodybuilding.com supersite has tons of great articles on dieting/weightraining
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I'll stay away from L-Glutamine.![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Your supps look OK...just get some protein in there too.
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