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I'm currently on 3 antibiotics during the week. 2 (Minocycline and Azithromycin) are pulsed by each other every other day, and 1 (Bactrim DS) taken twice daily.
I'm concerned about my chest issues not resolving, and still researching other protocols to incorporate into my treatment.
I learned about KPU and metal toxicity, and believe I may fall into this category.
I have 50% of the protocol to KPU in my home. And, I need to get some things for metal detoxing, etc.. I also have BioPure freeze-dried garlic I've been taking.
Any concerns with what I have just posted thus far? Should I be worried about doing this protocol at the same time as my ABX protocol?
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Brussels
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KPU is tough. Do a search before. Are you herxing hard? If yes, adding KPU supplements can increase many folds the 'bad' herx feelings.
If you have a good doctor knowledgeable about detoxing, it's fine, I guess. You can call for help anytime. But if not, be careful. Just adding zinc for me caused me very strong reactions.
REad the AI thread. I guess that is a better start to address heavy metals (but I guess you have to get off abx for that too...).
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No, I'm not herxing as hard anymore. I'm better in many ways, but concerned about symptoms that haven't improved or seemed to have been getting worse.
That's where I came up with the idea of treating metals and KPU. I haven't been tested, but I have literally 85% of the symptoms on the list -- including Leukodynia.
So, you're saying I should NOT do metal detox while on the antibiotics?
This is an excerpt of the metal detox protocol that supposed to be done during KPU treatment:
"To turn on phase-1, 2 and 3 detox: a. MicroSilica (silica molecules spiked with sulfhydryl groups) -1-4 doses per day at 100 mg each b. sound-wave enhanced chlorella 15 tbl t.i.d. with meals (BioPure) c. Valkion singlet oxygen energy: water and inhalation"
I've searched what I can thus far, but I haven't found what I need about doing this protocol while on antibiotics. Still hoping someone can clue me in on whether this OK.
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A quote from a workshop description by Dr. K -
Lyme disease, chronic mycoplasma infections, herpes and other modern illnesses affect us in multiple ways and are often the cause of chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia and many other illnesses.
Antibiotics have largely failed to address the issue. Mercury, cadmium and other metals have a synergistic effect with bacteria and mold neurotoxins."
More there on foreign DNA attaching to our own.
As Brussels pointed out, you might want to read the Allergie-Immun thread. He is recommending the therapy as stated on Allergie-immun website.
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I'm really feeling like A.I. is the real answer for me. It's difficult for me, because I have to raise a way to pay $1,000 a month for the therapy.
Nana, how does A.I. affect co-infections like Babesia? Is it like treating with ABX or herbs, in the sense that you see gradual improvement from it as well?
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Hi Wolfed Out, I too thought I had KPU issues--in fact I was sure of it. But after being tested, I don't fall into that category at all. That particular test was normal--even low normal. So you might want to not treat something so serious unless you are sure you have it.
My thinking was that if I had KPU, I was going to do AI first so that KPU would be easier after getting the pathways cleared. Since I found out I didn't have KPU, I decided to go ahead with AI anyway. I am just waiting for my drops to arrive.
I am very excited to try this. I have had lyme for over 30 years and have been very sick. 8 months of antibiotics made me sicker. I feel much better OFF antibiotics--although it was kind of scary going off of them. Have been off three months and am working some now and have a little bit of life back. Yes I still have all my symptoms, but I do feel better.
If you do AI we will be somewhat on the same schedule. Good luck on your decision.
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Dr K said that do to the urine degrading,the test results should be doubled. So if this is true it seems many that have KPU could have a negative.I am sure Scott and others can clarify this. I heard it on the streamed LIA conference.
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A friend who took the KPU test again after negative the first time, took it again a few weeks later and got a high positive.
Essential mineral test also show that minerals are totally inadequate. It all fits for KPU, but I definitely prefer doing AI first to bring back some order to the chaos before pushing detox with KPU. I don't think "crashing" is healing. That is just my experience.
Take care.
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I wish there was a new or reset AI thread. The other one has gotten so deep, I get lost trying to understand.
I began a KPU (CORE) protocol about a month ago, and things have been rough-going lately. Whether its the CORE or not, I don't know.
My doctor had me do the AI test. I've read some about it. I'm a bit skeptical, but open-minded.
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Michael, read the last couple of pages of the thread. There are always new people coming in asking questions. The same skeptical questions.
I was not really skeptical, I simply could not believe it that one could get rid of a lifelong wheat and dairy allergy. Get a copy of the Study of some 200 people and check out the results. It's all in numbers and I am sure the symptoms are close to the same in English or German. Use a dictionary to translate the few words.
People do not stay in business for many years selling lies. As for expense, it is the best money I have spent, ever. I am trying to get my whole family to do it; some have already started.
I decided if I don't do it and keep going to same way I always have, I will get the same results I have always had. I could not effectively painlessly detox. I can now and I am almost finished with the therapy.
It has been a wondersome experience. I am still hoping for my husband to leave some problems behind. But he is 84 years old and things go a bit different. I feel better than ever and am not a spring chicken either. So it works. The older, the longer; the longer chronically ill, the longer the therapy. Children do the best because they probably have not accumulated as much to get rid of.
Hope you find a solution.
Take care.
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Should I just go ahead and get started even though I'm in ABX therapy?
It can't hurt, right?
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Wolfed, you do not know if what is keeping you from getting better is an infection of some sort, metal and chemical toxicity which cause the identical symptoms, or KPU, or multiple dysregulations. The instructions are not to take abx, unless it is for an acute illness for survival, because this is the problem they are trying to undo by getting the body to regulate again as it should.
AI is done to remove what has gone wrong with treatments, drug deposits, and correct the errors that are in you DNA that stops your body from being able to regulate as it should - probably for years. Therefore AI does not recommend someone taking antibiotics because while you do that, they are trying to get rid of the stuff -- that does not work. My guess is that you have probably taken care of Lyme already, but still have toxicity issues that your immune system cannot recognize and take care of it because it checked out.
I think you should consider giving your body a chance to get its forces back while not interfering with more of the damaging meds. You may be surprised to find that it is other issues that have caused you to feel ill. Do the test and find out and then it is easier to make a decision. It will not cost you any extra, because if you decide to do the test, which I am 200% convinced you will once you see the results, you just need to pay the balance for the total therapy.
I do not understand why you say you have to raise that much money per month, because the total therapy for AI, even if it takes over a year to complete, costs about 400 Euros = 600$. That is for the whole time, even if it takes yyou two years to finish the therapy. A one time sum. plus they ask you to send them the postage once a month of approx. $10.
When others who have started the AI, started abx again, AI was unable to test for errors. The body will not reveal.
I think you will be doing your body a big favor by unloading the dysregulations. Your body is unable to heal from anything permanently when it cannot regulate, organs are blocked, etc., and I certainly found that I could never get rid of toxic metals and chemicals before the allergies were eliminated. Most people have allergies toward the major foods (grain/gluten/corn/soy) and that is just as bad because there is little left to eat without stressing the body.
Think about it.
Take care.
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I was under the impression that A.I. would cost me $500-$600 for EVERY treatment vile. That changes things considerably.
Gigi, I just started my ABX therapy a few months ago. And, I'm seeing improvement with it.
I appreciate your opinion, very much, but I haven't completely cleared Bartonella and Babesia, but I feel like I'm making progress toward a remission with my protocol.
It's issues like balance, and air hunger, and the skin problems that worry me the most. All co-infection related.
I'm worried about stopping now.
I mean, if I wasn't progressing with ABX, sure I would say I have nothing to lose, but that's not my case.
And if it wasn't a problem to do AI with ABX, I would be on it tomorrow.
Thus my dilemma.
I think I asked months ago what to do, and was suggested I start with ABX therapy. But, I'm really torn about getting on AI...I'm pumped about it from everything I hear.
I'm guessing maybe I should finish my protocol... or see how things go for a few more months. I've literally been on ABX less than 3 months, and have made a lot of improvements.
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Wolfed, do what feels best to you. I would have done AI had I known about it when I was let go as 95% healed by ID doctor after 3 months of abx in 1998.
Allergie Immun would have probably spared me years of agony and certainly would have saved my husband had he done the therapy years ago. I am fully convinced that a body that can no longer regulate is not able to heal. The immune system is on vacation.
You must feel good about it and it is your attitude that helps you progress toward health.
Best wishes.
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- As KPU/HPU is just one of over 11 different kinds of porphyria, it can be helpful to consider all the kinds. Each one is tested differently, though all relate to the liver's inability to produce enough (or any at all) of the exact enzymes necessary for the liver to eliminate varying classifications of waste.
The buildup of excess porphyrins can cause great pain and damage. BETA CAROTENE is the number one porphyrin reducer. More about what can help here: --------------------
Thank you, very much. Your input has been extremely valuable to me.
I WILL be doing A.I., it's just a matter of when I feel comfortable starting. If it comes to a point soon where I should put ABX aside, then I will go ahead with AI therapy.
If not, as soon as I'm done with this ABX protocol. I'm going on AI.
I'm not going to stop because my lyme symptoms have gone away temporarily. I want to correct the issue for good. Even if that means AI, and herbal treatment a year after I'm all well.
Keebler,
Thanks for that info.
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Just to be clear... With AI, is it necessary to stop vitamin supplements and herbal treatments like Enula, Cumanda, OLE, etc... or just ABX?
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Wolfed out, the need for stopping things is that you are without a doubt allergic or initiating an allerlgic response with many of the things youa re taking. That has been the case with most of the stuff sick people bring when they first come to see Dr.K. There is little they can safely take when he gets through testing. And he tests at a different level, which does not catch as much as AI. There are fillers in supplements. Many are soy based -- many are allergic to wheat, soy, corn and then come all the mucors and fungi, the metals, the chemicals -- are involved in supplements and processing.
You would be clearing the wheat fungi and corn with the first bottle you get. Though it will take the leaky gut caused by years of dysregulations and metals to heal. But you could get to using some of them fairly soon.
This allergic reaction is the reason why Dr.K. always recommends a supplement vacation. Some of them also stress the kidneys, on and on. You don't want to go on a killing, because the body will be plenty busy trying to shed some of the toxic load with the AI drops alone. It happens in a very gentle way, but I would not guarantee that if you brought all these other agents into the mix. Your body will be busy just trying to find its way back to learning to function!
I do not think and this has been confirmed to me many times by Dr.K. and others that we succeed by drowning the body in this horrid soup of different substances. I don't think my gut ever liked it. A little goes a lot further.
Take care.
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