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Yesterday, I read Dr. K's suggestion to rub a few drops of cilantro (which I mixed with water at about a 1-to-1 ratio) on an area of pain, which in this case was my hubby's very painful shoulder.
I also rubbed a small amount on the tops and bottoms of both of his wrists as directed in the guide for problem joints located above the diaphragm.
The result was that his shoulder felt a lot better, but his wrists, which were not painful at all before the cilantro treatment, are hurting quite a bit.
I thought of letting the wrists soak in epsom salts and water, but he has not been home long enough to do this because of long work hrs.
He also can't take any more than 4-5 chlorella as it doesn't agree with his stomach.
Anybody have other suggestions?
What if I had only applied the drops to his shoulder and skipped the wrists? I am tempted to try this, but am a little scared.
Didn't know that an atomic bomb could fit into such a little bottle.
Thanks,
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We just had equally "wicked" results with Dr. K's protocol for detox of heavy metals. I gave my son 3 grams of chlorella 30 min before his meals and then at breakfast and dinner 2 drops of cilantro in a little warm water. In the middle of the night he was hearing voices and then went into a couple of small seizures! Today I am going to increase his chlorella to 4 grams at each meal, as per Dr. K. This stuff really seems to be working!
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Do not use cilantro tincture more than a drop anywhere unless you know you have detoxed your gut of metals. Cilantro crosses the blood brain barrier and will more metals from there and then run into the overloaded gut area - which creates discomfort.
And when he says a drop, do a drop. Rubbed in, the cilantro enters the nerves immediately avoiding the stomach process, etc. and it is carried to where the nerves take it.
If you want to follow any of Dr. K.'s protocols, do not start with what you feel is comfortable and looks easy. You need to learn all he talks about and understand the reasons for certain applications.
Cilantro can be a knockout for people with toxic metals in the brain. The load has to be lowered gradually over time, gut first, because of "law of osmosis". Search here for this, I have posted about it. Detoxing toxic metals yourself without a lot of learning and understanding is not a good idea. It doesn't work and causes more damage that is then difficult to undo. Most doctors don't understand it yet, and taking Dr.K.s recommendations out of context doesn't work.
Read all you can of his publications. It is wonderful that it is all out there for anyone to find. Use google with question and his name in it. I have been around him for many years and still learn something new every day.
Important: you do not want to use anything that crosses the blood brain barrier (if metal toxic, the barrier is damaged and everything crosses) before detoxing the extracellular areas and gut to open the ways, so that you can handle the toxins that are mobilized in the brain have a place to go....... just like a blocked highway.....
Learn about the Laws of Osmosis. Search here - I posted a few weeks ago trying to explain it. Sequence and timing in detox is very important -- not the cart before the horse.
Take care.
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Thanks for your good advice, Gigi. I didn't think that applying cilantro topically had the same mobilizing effect. WRONG!!!
In the Dr. K document entitled, "A Comprehensive Review of Heavy Metal Detox and Clinical Pearls ..., cilantro is offered first in a list of detoxifying agents, even before chlorella.
Even tho Dr. K made it crystal clear about the dangers of the use of cilantro too soon in the detox program, I was confused about the topical use, thinking that it was ok for some reason. What reason, I don't know.
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I agree with GIGI...especailly as I just came off his seminar...which he spoke about cilantro...
Gigi has it right!!!
Must get tested wit ART or muscle test to see what your particular situation is...and what to start first...
His rule of thumb is to always treat the gut first...his uses the microsilica treatment...to clear the gut biofilms...takes some time.
after the leaky gut is fixed...he moves onto other areas to move metals ...including the brain. The brain is tricky.
also, KPU must be addressed before using the cilantro..get the kpu urine test to see if this is an issue for you...(many have this problem if they have lyme)
That means recirculating metals in a body that cannot naturally detox.
This is how you can do more harm...if you move the brain metals...or metals anywhere...they go through the gut...and get reabsorbed in your body elsewhere...with a leaky gut...and if you have kpu, you cannot eliminate them anyway...and they get reabsorabed in other areas...giving you more problems.
Get tested and some help with this.
Also, Dr K does recommend (for some), the Bioray products NDF plus...with cilantro and chlorella together...and liverlife...to use in advance of the NDF...it is all individual based on testing.
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Also....I highly recommend doing the Allergie Immune therapy before doing any metal moving!!!!!
Clear all pathways so your treatments will work safely and effectively.
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While I see that this makes perfect sense, I also feel that most of us are at a tremendous disadvantage if our LLMDs are not ART practitioners or do not successfully muscle test.
Realistically, how many LLMDs are properly trained in ART? Mine doesn't even do muscle testing. In fact, the best muscle tester in the state, a chiropractor whose uncle allegedly developed muscle testing in CA, said that I did not test for Lyme disease!
I am trying to educate myself by reading Dr K documents, listening to podcasts, and reading threads here, but my limited brain is a bit overwhelmed.
I have a notebook that I keep by the computer in which I write down notes and important info that I have gleaned from this site, plus binders filled with printed material from the AI and K websites. I read something one day, and forget it the next!
If my gut is treated first with microsilica, how will I know when the leaky gut issue is fixed? How will my LLMD know?
There are 5 of us in my fam who have Lyme. Do we all fly out to Washington for ART testing?
You folks who are able to go to the K seminars are so blessed, and we are blessed to have you all report back to us, but I gotta tell you -- I'm wicked jealous!!!
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LP, I'm definitely going on the AI therapy--slowly weaning off all drugs right now.
And thank you for all your help and advice, it is very, very much appreciated!!
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thejoje...
I hear you! This is not easy only because it is so new the the concepts are foreign! I just went to the seminar and only then met Dr. K. I am not his patient and had/have the same feeling as you...
Studying the protocols, trying my best to implement things safely.
ART is an impossiblitity for most on the site to take advantage of...and my MD"s are just learning ART and are not as accomplished as DR. K. And most likely will never be. IT is amazing to watch him test individual patients. For Dr. K, it is also his knowledge and research of all medical issues, as a surgeon and medical MD along with intuition, and ART. All combined helps him get right to the main issues, much easier than any other ART practitioner I can see.
But you can also learn some basic things here on lymenet...and you can do well with the protocols outlined once you get your body working better naturally...get your pathways open, you will have a better shot at effective protocols.
AI is a gift for you....and also, learn how to use the biotenser and how to get your regulation open before using it. This will be a blessing...as you will know what to take and what to stop on any given day. This will save you from doing harm with treatments.
I originally, like you, wanted to start a year ago with the cilantro...I bought the NDF....tested it....and got a strong NO response...not the time to move the metals I had learned...but at the time, I knew I had those pesky metals in the brain and floating around my whole body...
I wanted to start to get rid of them.
Then I found I did have KPU!!!So I am glad I did not move the metals yet. Allergie Immune therapy also confirmed I have the biggest issues with recirculating metals! IT all confirms the direction for me to gain health!
I did the AI therapy...and now the metals are moving on their own, and at times I am testing with the biotenser that NDF is nbeneficial now...(cilantro) to move more today...it is an off and on thing...a few days of NDF, and then a few days break for me.
I have not had any problems or herx type reactions now.
You will learn over time to how to follow your intuition. IT takes practice and certain people here on lyment are very helpful. PM me anytime.
blesings, lp
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lp, Well, if you are getting better with so-so ART practitioner, it gives me some hope that I will get better with a so-so LLMD!!
The ART sounds amazing. Does K work on everyone who attends these seminars? Can you say how much they cost? Is anyone able to attend or is it invite only? And do you know if there are any East coast docs who attend?
I am petrified to stop my herbs and abx, but my intuition (lousy at times) tells me it's the right thing to do. I'm all too happy to put a couple of my daughters on the therapy as well bec nothing seems to be helping them anyway.
I'm stocking up on clorella, microsilica, milk thistle, electrolytes, magnesium, and micro minerals to start. I'm not planning on taking anything until we all learn to biotense properly.
I'm also getting the rest of my amalgams out in 4 more days, which presents another interesting issue- Lyme heyday!
THanks for your honesty and frank comments. And Happy Mother's Day!!
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thejoje, it is recommended that the microsilica be taken with phospholipids (I started with 1/2 tstp and worked up to one) and grapefruit juice mixed in.
I do not test for this all the time, same for KPU treatment. Seems a break is needed (at least for me) with these things. Seems like 5 days on, 5 days off right now. It changes all the time.
Happy Mother's Day
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NanaD, Wyy the phospholipids with the micro? I'm afraid of the EDTA in it, but I am writing this all down anyway. Thanks and Happy Mother's Day to you!!
I gotta get off this computer!
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needs a fat source and citrus. Google it and maybe there are some substitutes for phospholipids if you don't feel comfortable using it.
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I have some phosphatidyl choline (from BodyBio) without the EDTA. I'm sure it will be OK, right?
WHen my biotensor comes, do I put both of these ingredients in one lump on the table and run the tensor over it? (Please don't laugh)
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I'm not laughing, yes you can test them together. I don't really know what the stuff is from BodyBio.
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Nano,
The Microsilica bottle just says with lemon drops or ascorbic acid
So was this Dr K saying to mix it with phospholipids?
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