bcb1200
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Hi folks:
How will I know if I'm herxing once I being my treatment? Do you just feel bad and / or tired?
I did a 10 day supply of amoxicillin from April 1-10 back before I knew I had lyme (thought it was sinus or bacteria ear infection.) Overall I felt better afterwards. But I remember several days of being dog tired and sweating. I would have to sleep for 45 min on the side of the road on the way into work because I couldn't make the drive at 7:30 am.
-------------------- Bite date ? 2/10 symptoms began 5/10 dx'd, after 3 months numerous test and doctors
IgM Igenex +/CDC + + 23/25, 30, 31, 34, 41, 83/93
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Currently at around 95% +/- most days. Posts: 3134 | From Massachusetts | Registered: May 2010
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You'll feel bad .. or maybe even like CR**!!
It will be an intensification of old symptoms or the arrival of new-to-you lyme symptoms.
-------------------- --Lymetutu-- Opinions, not medical advice! Posts: 96227 | From Texas | Registered: Feb 2001
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bcb1200
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How long do they last? (I know, it varies.)
-------------------- Bite date ? 2/10 symptoms began 5/10 dx'd, after 3 months numerous test and doctors
IgM Igenex +/CDC + + 23/25, 30, 31, 34, 41, 83/93
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WildCondor
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What is a Herxheimer Reaction?
By Donna Herrell Director, Lyme Alliance Inc.
Overview: The herxheimer reaction, nicknamed "herx" or otherwise referred to as Jarisch- Herxheimer (J-H) is a phenomena originally observed in the treatment of syphilis, but later found in other illness. In general terms, it is described as a temporary increase of symptoms when anti-syphilitic drugs (antibiotics) are administered. What is known or speculated about Lyme disease herxheimers are based heavily on the reactions seen in syphilis. This is due to the fact both diseases are caused by a bacteria known as a spirochete, the former being Treponema pallidum, the latter Borrelia burgdoferi (B.b). However the herxheimer reactions in Lyme disease are not identical to those seen in syphilis, especially in terms of timing, frequency and duration as noted below.
In Lyme disease it is thought that the cause of herxheimers are the result of endotoxin release, that is toxin(s) within the spirochete that are released as the B.b are killed or broken down. This may be a result of the toxin(s) itself or the body's immune response to such.
Symptoms:
As mentioned, the general description is a temporary increase in symptoms, but also included is the development of new ones. More specifically the most common events include: increased joint or muscle pain, headaches, chills, fever (usually low grade), drop in blood pressure, hives and rash. A multitude of other symptoms have been described.
Worth noting is that hives and rash are sometimes mistaken for an allergic reaction. It is up to one's physician to determine this, but with close observation and the use of medications such as Benedryl often prevents stopping antibiotics prematurely. In more severe cases of J-H a reduction of the dosage or temporarily cessation of the treatment is an alternative.
Timing, Frequency and Duration:
This is individualistic and Herxheimer can occur within days to weeks after the onset of antibiotic therapy. In some patients they occur only once or twice (if at all) and with others continue throughout the course of treatment, usually lessening in severity. They can occur and are more often described in cycles (example: every 4 weeks) and have been reported to last from days to weeks.
It can be very beneficial to document these exacerbations. Some physicians use this as a guideline for treatment. Further it may help differentiate herxheimers from the normal symptoms or progression of Lyme disease.
Treatment:
Herxheimer reactions can be very difficult on patients and affect compliance with therapy so supportive measures should be sought or utilized to lessen discomfort if needed. The use of aspirin, NSAIDs (non steroidal anti inflammatory drugs), pain medication, muscle relaxers, hot baths or others remedies can be appropriate. Of note, some have found Benedryl helpful even in the absence of rash or hives.
The good news is that the herxheimer is thought to indicate that the antibiotics are indeed working and that following each worsening may bring about more improvement. However the lack of herxheimer reaction should not cause anxiety if symptoms are improving.
Other considerations:
Something often overlooked but can present with similar symptoms as a herxheimer is Candida (yeast) infection. Treatment with acidophilus and if needed prescription medications such as Nystatin or Diflucan can be utilized.
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WildCondor gave an excellent overview of the Herxheimer reaction.
My son had the Herx reaction all three times he was treated for chronic Lyme in 2007. He would run a predictable temperature of 100.6 daily and felt like crap the whole time. He went through 2 courses of oral abx and one IV abx.
Fortunately the course of IV abx did work, but not before a PICC line infection that required hospitalization.
He's been infected twice again since 2007, but we caught this rapidly and he did not herx. Makes sense, because the bacteria has less of a chance to take over one's system, thus the die off and amount of toxins would be less.
Now he finally is starting to use tick spray before going out in the woods here in beautiful East LYME, CT!! I guess the 4th time with this disease was finally the charm for him to start listening to words of wisdom from his ever loving mother.
-------------------- Audrey Posts: 19 | From East Lyme, CT | Registered: Feb 2007
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