canefan17
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This disease begins and ends in The Gut.
Not enough attention is paid to healing the Gut imo.
Not taking care of our guts is why 99% of us are here today anyhow.
So common sense tells me to clean up the gut/terrain.
*I understand it can be easier said than done... but we should ALL be trying to find ways to help support gut healing.
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Healing Diet (quality foods that don't disrupt the stomach)
*I'm really starting to think that antibiotics are counterproductive. I know most of us needed them to get us out of the dark days...
But they simply cannot be good if used longterm (more than 2-3 months at a time)
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I totally agree. If you do research you will find that parasites set up shop in the small intestine and disseminate from there.
Doing multiple parasite cleanses is what put me on the road to healing. Google Hulda Clark parasite cleanse. Also check the symptom list at Humaworm. There is lots of info here on lymenet if you do a search under parasites and Lyme.
Gael
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I do Glutagenics canefan as well as probiotics. I also do Whey Protein which contains L Glutamine.
Parasites I tested positive for but they are not easy to get rid of!
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You will find that you will waver between loving and hating abx and therapies similar to them.
Lyme is a love/hate dance.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
The gut is crucial, yes, but so is keeping Lyme from progressing to MS, ALS, or death.
Once functional, using abx in pulsed fashions or for periods of time w/ breaks is optimal.
If you have full blown Lyme, and are still struggling, Glutagenics, Probiotics, Glutamine, Licorice, and Aloe Leaf will not be the ticket.
It would be prudent to use some of these products in your regimen like jenny stated she is using Whey for the added L-Glutamine and detox capabilities.
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I think it would be helpful to create a new "Questions and Discussion" sub-category on LymeNet for "Candida control diet, Gastrointestinal health, Liver support, etc."
Most Americans are completely unaware of the significant impact of yeast and simple sugars on their health.
In this newly proposed section, we can focus on tips for keeping ourselves in the best possible shape for whatever other treatments we may need.
The current "Medical Questions" section becomes SO crowded with such a vast array of issues that it can be overwhelming , or at least daunting, to focus on just a few key topics at a time.
I believe that the Candida control diet is key to reducing inflammation and enabling the immune system to function better. We could share recipes and cleanse strategies there, too.
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Can anyone advise if lyme or parasites caused a gangrenous appendix with an appendicolith measuring 13mm. The surgeon described it as very unusual, but not malignant.
Multiple vascular phlebloliths were also discovered, which is probably due to the vasculitis?
Multiple liver cysts were also confirmed (have been there since at least 2002).
Guess my quesion would be how should I begin treating for parasites?
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Google Hulda Clark parasite cleanse and type parasites and Lyme into search bar at top. Plenty of info here and on the net.
Gael
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gael,
wormwood black walnut cloves
which brand do you get of these? I know humaworm uses these ingredients.
cowden even uses enula
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Look into Rizoles. I posted about it for several years and just recently again. It is easy to do and you will get at the undesirables. Add longterm Alinia if you can. It is a long ride with parasites - but not a miserable one. You will have to stick with it for several month.
Just found this - an old note in my files of mine in 2006:
Rizoles
Rizoles are faily recently discovered compounds that naturally form when natural oils are ozonated for extended periods of time (weeks to months). Depending on the organic plant oil used, the time of exposure to pure medical grade ozone gas, voltage and amperage in the high-voltage chamber, different compounds with unique properties are formed.
Extensive research and safety studies have been done in several universities in Germany. The results showed that rizoles are extremely safe to use both internally and externally.
They have unusual and profound antimicrobial effects for many different species of microorganisms: molds, bacteria, protozoa, flukes, roundworms, tapeworms, threadworms and others. Rizoles also have significant anti-viral effects.
Common uses in Germany:
As bath oils about 15-20 drops are added to the bath water while having a hote sitz-bath for no more than 15 minutes (sitting in the bath, water temperature as high as comfortably tolerated, water level no higher than umbilicus)
The oils are ideal to treat fungal skin infections, including nail fungus and athletes foot, cracks in the heel )often a mixed infection). For use on mucous membranes, the oils should be diluted or ``cut'' 50:50 or more with a non-ozonated plant oil (sesame oil, olive oil, almond oil, etc.)
The oils are suitable to treat gum disease (mouth wash several times per day) and to apply with a Q-tip diluted 50:50 to the ear canal for external otitis (no more than one drop per application).
To treat infections and infestations in the lymphatic system, the oils should be applied directly over the skin areas where the lymphatic uptake is significant (anterior neck, under axilla, groin, in selected indications to be applied to the breast)
Dose: sometimes one single drop applied to the skin per day is enough to create a die-off effect (Herzheimer reaction) in the lymphatic system (which seems to be a popular hiding place for several creatures). The dose should only be gradually increased when the reactions become tolerable. Ideally this treatment is combined with the salt/vitamin C treatment for micro-filariosis (www.lymephotos.com).
4. Internal use (this is commonly done in Germany and other European countries. In the US the products are not approved by the FDA for internal use. It would consistute an off-label use).
This is usually done in 2 stages:
Stage I. to treat intestinal infestations with bacteria (clostridia, etc.), protozoa (giardia, amoebas, toxoplasma, etc), worms and viruses.
Dosage: Begin with 1-3 drops one/day and gradually increase to the full dose of 10 drops 3 times/day. Back off if you experience Herxheimer/die-off reactions. Then slowly increase again. Pour a little clean water in a cup, shake the rizol bottle rhythmically until the desired number of drops have fallen in the cup, add water to the mix. The turbulence is enough to create a homogenous white mily fluid that tastes ok.
Depending on your intestinal uptake, there may be burning in the anus with the next bowel movement (if the oil is not taken up in the intestinal passage). This may be a sign to go on to State II:
Add 1/3 to 1 tsp Phospholipid Exchange and stir in the mix (see Stage I). This will dramatically increase the uptake of the rizol in the lymphatic system of the gut and cleanse the GALT (gut-associated-lymphatic-system). As soon as the rizol has done its job here, it will travel via the large central lymph duct into the veins, from here to the lungs, liver, kidney and eventually into the brain. Wherever it reaches, it chases the pathogenic microbes out of this area. There may be significant die-off reactions at unpredictable times. No serious lasting untoward effects have been observed however.
It is best to combine this treatment with the salt/Vit C parasite cleanse. German practitioners have recommended this treatment for many months, until ``the job is done''. Lyme patients have been on this regimen for as long as a year without problems.
It is absolutely important to supplement healthy bowel flora which should be taken after meals - away from rizoles. The rizoles are best taken on an empty stomach. Do not take the rizoles late at night since die-off reactions may disturb the deep sleep (which is so important for healing).
Rizoles are also called ``ozonides''. However, the correct biochemical name is ``rizol''. They were developed by Professor and Chief of the Department of Chemistry, Dr. Gerhard Steidl of the University of Erlangen, Germany. The scientific research of the rizoles was conducted by Prof. Steidl under the auspices of the Karl and Veronica Carstens Foundation in Essen, Germany, the largest naturopathic research foundation in the world: Jahrbuch Band 3 der Karl and Veronica Carstens Stiftung, Hippokrates Verlag, Stuttgart, Germany 1996 ISBN 3-7773-1295-9 (Subtitle: Untersuchungen zur Wirkungsweise langkettiger Ozonide auf eukariotische humane Zellen, Pilz- und Tumorzellen, Biochemische und zellbiologische Effekte. Investigation into the effect of long chain ozonides on eucariotic human cells, yeast and tumorcells, Biochemical and cell-biological effects).
Currently the oils are only used in the US for bath, even though they are used for a wide variety of indications in Europe, including infections (anaerobic bacteria, oxygen sensitive fungi such as Candida, Cryptococcus and histoplasma, most parasites and many viruses (parvo, corona, all 8 herpes viruses, adenovirus, rota and most prions), periodontal disease, chronic fatigue, constipation, depression, ADHD, clostridia.
Side effects: activation of the M-cells (peritoneal macrophages) and activation of lymphocytes can cause transient inflammation in affected body areas and the oils have therefore diagnostic properties. The dose should be greatly reduced if and when this occurs until the reaction subsides. Regular Herxheimer reactions are expected and common.
Rizoles ingredients can be found on www.biopureus.com or in the BioPure product manual available by contacting BioPure.
Take care.
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Thanks GiGi
Good stuff
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So if parasite cleansing can be gentle...
Is that why a lot of people who go on humaworm stop after 5 days because they say "I don't feel anything anymore.. so I stopped."
Which is probably a big mistake.
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I have done humaworm and salt/c. I have recently done the Hulda Clark parasite cleanse whch I like very much and am having good results.
It consists of the 3 important herbs to get rid of all stages of larva, adults and eggs. It takes persistence to get rid of the parasites.
I have also had great success with the salt/c protocol. Whatever the antiparasitic protocol you use, you hae to continue. I don't understand why people would give up after doing humaworm for or anything else after 5 days. You have to give these things a chance to work.
The entire G.I. track is laden with eggs and larva and the parasites are very good at hiding in all the crevices of the intestines. You have to declare war and go after them with everything you've got in order to get well.
Gael
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mass, I know lol It's crazy
glm, Should one pulse wormwood and black walnut or can you take them for extended periods of time?
Humaworm recommends no more than once every 3 months.
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Remember that parasites have entry anywhere - including the brain. So 5 days of Humaworm wont' get you very far. Parasites are a much greater problem than we think and of course most labs can't even find a huge tapeworm.
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GiGi,
What anti-parasitics have you had the most success with?
Specific brands.
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Cane,
read what Hulda Clark has to say about parasites on her site. (Hulda Clark parasite Cleanse) She says to do maintenance dose FOREVER once a week. I don't agree with Humaworm and the 3 mos waiting period.
I also do EXTRA cloves because this is what gets rid of the eggs. You can also try the Rizoles like GiGi suggests and or Alinia and other allopathic meds.
These Parasites are Masters at survival. All I know is that I have been throwing everything but the kitchen sink at these Ba)(*&ds) including salt/c. They have been dying and leaving for 4 yrs including everything pictured on the lymephotos web site.
No question I am getting rid of them, but you have to remember the longer you have been infected the longer it takes to get rid of them. I am 1,000 times better, but I have been infected for over 25 yrs without tx.
So it may not take everyone as long to get rid of them,
Gael
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Thanks glm,
In humaworm's defense... they have an in-between formula used for continuing treatment and cleaning the terrain (eggs, metals, etc)
I'm just trying to fid a good combo of wormwood and black walnut cloves to throw at the buggers.
Also... I bought some clove spice from Sprouts. Will this be enough? Just sprinkle some onto foods randomly?
Or do you take it in capsule form?
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For those taking Glutagenics, can you tell me what dose you took and how often and whether you took it before meals or after?
Thanks,
tickbattler
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glm1111
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Cane,
Clove spice from sprouts? No, you have to take cloves from the herb. I am not knocking Humaworm, it's just that when I read the info on the Hulda Clark parasite cleanse, she was adamant that the protocol continue once a week forever.
Have you read the info on her sight? She explains it in detail. I have taken the in between herbs and I like them as an adjunct.
Gael
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canefan17
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glm,
Ya I read some of her site.
What do you mean once a week forever?
One day out of the week you'll take wormwood, cloves, and black walnut?
And RG, the owner of humaworm, does continue treating. He cleanses 3 times a yr and tells people to use the in-between formula as well.
I think RG has a great product and he's gotten a lot of good feedback.
Sounds like you can't go wrong with either clarks or humaworms protocol.
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quote:Originally posted by tick battler: For those taking Glutagenics, can you tell me what dose you took and how often and whether you took it before meals or after?
Thanks,
tickbattler
tickbattler,
I take 1 tsp three times a day in water on an empty stomach. I wait 1/2 and hour before eating after.
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Cane,
After I studied the life cycle of parasites/worms, it made sense to me to do the once a week maintenance dose for life. If even one egg goes undetected, the life cycle of the parasite starts all over again.
I also like the Humaworm in between herbs as an adjunct. Given the severity of lyme and co, I think both make sense.
I plan on doing that and the salt/c forever. However, that is just what I plan on doing. Everyone should do their own research and make their own decisions on a course of treatment that works best for them.
Gael
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