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Its been years now and in my research on lyme and co I still see that Dr. K claims 900 success's treating lyme and co.
Why is this number so low in relation to his huge number of clients and why is this number not moving up over the years he has claimed it?
I'm as confused by numbers like this as I am about lyme itself.
Has Dr. K admitted in a way that he really cannot meaningfully help the thousands of lyme patients he and his followers treat? thank you, J
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lightparfait
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Dont think there is any way to document the number of total people lyme free or "successes" any LLMD has. Although they can keep general records of those who report success.
There are many definitions of success on this board...for many success is living on abx...but keeping symptoms down...which is very valid for those who now have their life back. For others, it is to be off all drugs and therapies and back to their old life. Plus a wide range in between.
My excellent old LLMD would keep records of successes of those who were on lifelong abx...with reduced symptoms. Those are the majority of the successess reported for those with chronic lyme. It was reported to me that after people stopped their abx...they would be back in the office a year or so later, then go back on them. My llmd is amazed now of my recovery and my daughters...and is learning now about detox to help the other patients.
Who wants to spend the money and go back to their LLMD when they are lyme free, or take the time to report it. Most dont even come on lymenet to report lyme is now gone. They move onto their life!
Why are Dr. K"s success rates important to you? Are you experiencing problems with his individual protocol for your issues? OR are you having problems understanding his other patients improvements or issues?
I have heard that Dr. K is not seeing many patients individually now as he is lecturing and teaching practitioners more frequently so a wider set of people can benefit from his experience.
For me the most important thing is finding things that work for me...not necessarily others, as there is obviously no cookie cutter cure for anyone...or this site would not exist. We all have individual illnesses that stem from toxicity...along with possibly lyme et all...
From my experience, Dr. K has had loads of success with the people I know that are using some of his approaches. No one is doing the exact same approach of his...each is doing individual therapies, with many of his recommendations...and all have improved to some degree and still moving forward or are in remission, like me. I am not his patient, but am seeing a ND who uses some of his techniques, which have proved successful for me.
The ones I know that have improved are finally off all abx and drugs from previous therapies used from other good LLMD's. I was one of those patients who was destined to be on long term abx, suggested by my fantastic LLMD...to keep things at bay....Until I decided I did not want to live like that, and searched for alternatives to taking pharmaceuticals lifelong. I am eternally grateful for the direction I went and those like Dr. K who have trained others in how to clear the body. Not every LLMD understand that, unfortunately. Each LLMD is human and can only direct their patients to what they have learned.
We have to be wise and listen to our bodies and research what is best at the time for us. And know when it is time to adjust or change our direction for health.
Although it takes time to get to that point. There is no quick fix to any of this...must be patient.
seekhelp
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Success rates are very, very, very, very, very important to me. It is irritating to me how little this factor is tracked on Lymenet and by Lyme activists in general. I know it's not 'cookie cutter' but w/o these stats, LLMDs are free to toss out any darn statistic they want w/zero recourse.
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TerryK
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jl wrote: Its been years now and in my research on lyme and co I still see that Dr. K claims 900 success's treating lyme and co.
Can you please point to reliable information where he personlly states this?
Frankly, I've never seen ANY doctor keep track of success rates, LLMD or otherwise.
Terry I'm not a doctor
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The next time your speak with Dr K please ask him what this 900 number means and why he would put out onto the internet such a strange number without any context?
The reason I posted is that I was thinking of seeing a Dr. K trained dr. However as there are so few (train dr or patients) that have claimed success with Dr K I am somewhat skeptical. J
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TerryK
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jl - Thanks for providing the link. Just to clear up the confusion - I asked for the link, not Scott.
From Dr. K's website:
"The Klinghardt Protocol(based on over 900 successful treatment cases)"
"The treatment of Lyme disease requires 4 distinctive steps:
*Decreasing toxic body burden/unloading the system *Improving disturbed physiology *Decreasing microbial count *Immunemodulation" ___________________________________________________
I would read that to mean that the protocol is based on 900 successful treatment cases NOT that he's only ever had 900 successful treatment cases.
My experience has been that over the years, I have found that he is correct about so many things.
Terry I'm not a doctor
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SForsgren
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I think Terry's comment sounds correct. I have to believe that he has treated many many more than 900. He's been working with Lyme as a focus for over a decade and started learning about it far earlier as I recall. I believe GiGi was his first Lyme patient in the last 90's.
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