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Consuelachacha
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I have Late Stage Lyme Disease (dx 6/1/10). The only treatment I received was 4 wks of Doxy. 100 mg 2x/day. I am still seeking treatment and trying to find someone to help me.

Any of you that have seen me on here, know my story.

Yesterday I purchased Magnesium 250mg and Turmeric 500mg. Someone on Lymenet suggested these to me.

Does anyone know how these supplements are going to help me?

Does anyone know if the extremely low dose of Doxy I was given was for nothing? Did it kill any of the Spirochetes? If it did, are they going to come back?

Do you have to be sure you kill them all and then detox to get better?

Any help to any questions would be appreciated!!!

So scared.

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Magnesium and Turmeric will not "kill" the infection but will help tremendously to support your body and ease many symptoms. I have a full set of links on Turmeric and will be back with that.

You can google "Benefits of Magnesium" for a start on that but I'll also check to see if I have a composite page for you.
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To clarify terms, Curcumin is Turmeric extract, much more concentrated - Turmeric, itself, is less strong yet is still good support.
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http://www.tillotsoninstitute.com/important-herbs/turmeric-root-curcuma-longa.html

TURMERIC ROOT (Curcuma longa)

Turmeric root is bitter in taste and warming in action. It strongly reduces inflammation and mucus in all parts of the body, protects the liver, lungs and intestines .
. . .

SAFETY ISSUES: Due to mucin-reducing effects, do not use the concentrated extract (curcumin) or oil in high doses, especially if you have bile duct obstruction, gall stones, or stomach ulcers. Use turmeric as a spice freely.



- full article at link above. From ``The One Earth Herbal Sourcebook'' (Tilltoson, et.al.)


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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

PubMed Search:

Turmeric - 1517 abstracts

Curcumin - 3176 abstracts

Curcumin, pain - 25 abstracts

Curcumin, depression - 19 abstracts

Curcumin, anxiety - 5 abstracts

Curcumin, diabetes - 113 abstracts

Curcumin, inflammation - 291 abstracts

Curcumin, adrenal - 18 abstracts

Curcumin, cardiac - 63 abstract

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17479421

Nat Prod Res. 2007 Apr;21(4):328-33.

Anti-babesial compounds from Curcuma xanthorrhiza.

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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19540859

Xu Y, Lin D, Li S, Li G, Shyamala SG, Barish PA, Vernon MM, Pan J, Ogle WO.

Curcumin reverses impaired cognition and neuronal plasticity induced by chronic stress.

Neuropharmacology. 2009 Sep;57(4):463-71.

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From Vitamin Research Products:

http://www.vrp.com/ArticlesSearch.aspx?k=Curcumin

Search results for Curcumin - 46 Articles Found

one of those:

http://tinyurl.com/y8bd9k2

Curcumin Prevents Some Stress-Related Changes

Excerpts:

A recently published study investigated the effects of curcumin, a constituent of the botanical turmeric, on changes in cognition and memory caused by stress. . . .

In this new study, researchers investigated the effect of curcumin supplementation on stress-induced learning defects in mice. . . .

The results of the study showed that curcumin reversed memory deficits in a dose dependent manner, meaning increasing dosages of curcumin provided increasingly improved memory in the mice.

In addition, curcumin reversed the stress-induced increase in the levels of serum corticosterone, the primary hormone secreted during the stress response.

The researchers also found that the effectiveness of curcumin was similar to the effects of a tri-cyclic antidepressant.

. . . inhibited changes due to corticosterone-induced toxicity including preserving nerve cell connections, and inhibiting the corticosterone-induced activation of the enzyme calcium/calmodulin kinase II and stimulated glutamate receptor expression, which play a role in neurotransmitter secretion and certain kinds of memory and learning.

The researchers concluded, ``Thus, curcumin may be an effective therapeutic for learning and memory disturbances as was seen within these stress models, and

its neuroprotective effect was mediated in part by normalizing the corticosterone response, resulting in down-regulating of the phosphorylated calcium/calmodulin kinase II and glutamate receptor levels.''
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http://www.mbschachter.com/importance_of_magnesium_to_human.htm

The Importance of Magnesium to Human Nutrition

(thanks to Carol in PA for this link)

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http://www.ilads.org/lyme_disease/B_guidelines_12_17_08.pdf

Dr. Burrascano's Treatment Guidelines, 16th edition, October, 2008

Page 6:

. . . Magnesium deficiency is very often present and quite severe.

. . . Hyperreflexia, muscle twitches, myocardial irritability, poor stamina and recurrent tight muscle spasms are clues to this deficiency.

. . . Magnesium is predominantly an intracellular ion, so blood level testing is of little value.

. . . Oral preparations are acceptable for maintenance, but those with severe deficiencies need additional, parenteral dosing: 1 gram IV or IM at least once a week until neuromuscular irritability has cleared.

Page 25:

. . . Levofloxacin is generally well tolerated, with almost no stomach upset. Very rarely, it can cause confusion- this is temporary (clears in a few days) and may be relieved by lowering the dose.

There is, however, one side effect that would require it to be stopped- it may cause a painful tendonitis, usually of the largest tendons. If this happens, then the levofloxacin must be stopped or tendon rupture may occur.

It has been suggested that loading the patient with magnesium may prevent this problem, and if the tendons do become affected, parenteral high dose vitamin C (plus parenteral magnesium) may afford rapid relief.

Page 28 (in the supplement section):

6. MAGNESIUM (required)

Magnesium supplementation is very helpful for the tremors, twitches, cramps, muscle soreness, heart skips and weakness. It may also help in energy level and cognition.

The best source is magnesium L-lactate dehydrate (``Mag-tab SR'', sold by Niche Pharmaceuticals: 1-800-677-0355, and available at Wal-Mart).

DO NOT rely on ``cal-mag'', calcium plus magnesium combination tablets, as they are not well absorbed. Take at least one tablet twice daily.

Higher doses increase the benefit and should be tried, but may cause diarrhea. In some cases, intramuscular or intravenous doses may be necessary.

Page 30:

OTHER OPTIONAL SUPPLEMENTS

VITAMIN D

Surprisingly, most people in America are vitamin D deficient. In the Lyme patient, low vitamin D levels can cause diffuse body aches and cramps that are not responsive to magnesium or calcium supplements.

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http://www.lymepa.org/Nutritional_Supplements.pdf

Nutritional Supplements in Disseminated Lyme Disease

J.J. Burrascano, Jr., MD (2008)

Four pages

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For further reference, you might find this book - and some of the links below - of interest.

This book holds great information about treatments options and support measures:

http://tinyurl.com/6lq3pb (through Amazon)

THE LYME DISEASE SOLUTION (2008)

- by Kenneth B. Singleton , MD; James A. Duke. Ph.D. (Foreword)

You can read more about it here and see customer reviews.

Web site: www.lymedoctor.com

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

PubMed Search:

Magnesium - 78917 abstracts

magnesium, cardiac - 6456 abstracts

magnesium, arrhythmia (irreg. heart beat) - 1460 abstracts

Magnesium, anxiety - 107 abstracts

Hypomagnesemia - 1621 abstracts

Magnesium, toxemia - 753

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http://www.vrp.com/articles.aspx?ProdID=art751&zTYPE=2

(low) Magnesium Levels Linked To Irregular Heart Beat

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http://www.vrp.com/articles.aspx?ProdID=art1715&zTYPE=2

Magnesium: The Key to Health and Life

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http://www.vrp.com/articles.aspx?ProdID=art588&zTYPE=2

Magnesium: The Underappreciated Mineral of Life Part I

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http://www.vrp.com/articles.aspx?ProdID=art1634&zTYPE=2

Magnesium: The Underappreciated Mineral of Life Part II

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All this on magnesium is partly because it has helped me so much. However, be sure to ask your doctor. Most lyme patients are very low in magnesium as the infections seem to do that.

One thing that makes lyme hard to treat is that the bacteria creates a sort of film around it, a biofilm.

Some are concerned that the magnesium can "feed" infection as magnesium has been found in the biofilm of borrelia (but - along with many other things).

However, there other ways to address the problem of biofilm besides with-holding the a key nutrient from all the cells in our body.

if the body is severely depleted the body must be replenished as magnesium is a necessary mineral for survival. We would die without adequate magnesium. Many of the severe symptoms of lyme can be greatly relieved with proper magnesium, along with other key nutrients.

Taking magnesium with B-6 helps it get into our cells better. And B-6 is a calming vitamin, too.
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You can't really kill every one of them. Here's a good article that explains what happens - http://davidjernigan.blogspot.com/

You will need detox, but you will also need to kill more of the bacteria. The dosage you had was likely under-treating if you're still sick.

Turmeric is wonderful. This philosophy of cytokine inflammation helped me - http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?id=3748&t=CFIDS_FM

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from GiGi - 11 May, 2007

Magnesium Malate is an essential mineral that is required by every cell in the human body and is important for helping to maintain normal cardiovascular, muscle, nerve, bone and cellular function.

Magnesium deficiency is one the most common nutrient deficiencies in the United States. No longer is there a sufficient amount of magnesium in most people's diet to maintain proper magnesium levels, even in a non-stressed individual.

Magnesium requirements can increase four to six fold under stress.

Under stress, magnesium is wasted through the kidney through the urine. It is also wasted from the body by the intake of coffee, soda, and alcohol.

A person mildly deficient in magnesium will have difficulty sleeping, sore muscles and constipation. A person moderately deficient in magnesium will experience muscle cramps, palpitations and muscle twitches.

A person severely deficient in magnesium will develop fatal cardiac arrhythmias, coronary spasms and heart attacks. Also, the possibility of seizures is more likely during severe magnesium deficiency if the patient has an irritable focus in his or her brain.

Magnesium Malate is likely to be the most effective form of magnesium.

Most alternative and integrative practitioners find a wide variation in the efficacy of different forms of magnesium.

Magnesium Oxide has the lowest absorption and utilization rate by the body, and this is the form most commonly found in health food stores.

Magnesium Malate is best absorbed and utilized by the body. According to many health care practitioners the cells utilize the malic acid for energy production in the mitochondria and simultaneously draw magnesium into the mitochondria, where it is most needed.

Most people in the United States are constipated because they have less than three bowel movements a day .

Constipation causes toxins to back up into the liver and gall bladder and then into the rest of the body. This back up of toxins will cause fatigue, brain fog, muscle aches and a variety of other symptoms.

Magnesium in sufficient amounts will correct constipation in most patients. Patients who should be most concerned and cautious when taking magnesium are those with kidney insufficiency or failure.

(from BIONATUS LABORATORIES NUTRAMEDIX DISTRIBUTOR IN ECUADOR Guayaquil, Ecuador)

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