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I'm a little confused here. I've been reading about using herbs to fight yeast and how you should rotate them but just exactly what does that mean.
I'm on biaxin and I'm almost positive I'm dealing with a yeast problem in my mouth and digestive tract. I've altered my diet accordingly as per Dr. b's guidelins.
These are the herbs I picked up all in capsules. Oil of Oregano, Olive Leaf Extract, Pau de Arco (spelling?) and Acidophilous (8 billion). I'm also trying to get some Kefir but noone carries it around here and I absolutely hate yogurt.
I know not to take the stuff near the biaxin. But other than that how should I be taking all of this stuff.
Also is there something that I'm not taking that I really should be?
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- Keep probiotics away from Rx and from herbs.
Also take herbs separate from Rx.
Start with just ONE herb at a time. One capsule a day - with lunch is best but dinner will be okay, too. Oregano can be stimulating, though so, starting out, lunch would be best.
Stay upright for an hour after taking an oil of oregano capsule.
The others are not so hot in nature. And, seeing that it is very hot now in much of the country, I would not take oil of oregano until cooler weather.
The others are cooler in nature. After you see how you do on one with just one a day, then increase slowly. Stop a day and try a different one. Same routine. One a day until you feel ready to add two, then tree.
Then, you can try OLE and Pau d'arco together. I think it should be fine but don't start them together until you see how you do with each independently. Or - you might rotate these every few weeks. A LL ND (naturopathic doctor) or a LL acupuncturist would know best. You may not need to combine them, they may be redundant but probably won't cancel each other out.
Keep the Oil of Oregano in the fridge until cooler weather and then give that a try with lunch. The kind of heat that would add to your body now could set you up for heat stroke. Seriously.
It's best to read up about all these. -
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From the library at Vitamin Research Products -- Many articles on Olive Leaf Extract with good 3rd party documentation and a list of sources at the end of each article.
-------------- An Olive Leaf formula (that contains Terminalia chebula):
My ND (naturopathic doctor) recommended MYROLEA B. Most naturopathic doctors and acupuncturists know about the Seven Forest formulas. As this is a combination formula, there are ingredients included to help the body with "clearing heat" and metabolizing toxins.
Myrolea-B (White Tiger) is a simple formulation of highly concentrated extracts from four Chinese herbs and one Western herb.
The Chinese herbs include forsythia and lonicera, two of the key ingredients of Ilex 15 (and the main antiviral ingredients of Yin Qiao Jie Du Pian), thus boosting the dosage of these essential ingredients.
Myrolea-B also contains the antiviral agents scute (huangqin) and terminalia (hezi). The Western herb in this formulation is olive leaf, which is one of the primary anti-viral herbs derived from the European tradition.
SHUANGHUANGLIAN: Potent Anti-Infection Combination of Lonicera, Forsythia, and Scute - by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D., Director, Institute for Traditional Medicine - 2003
Shuanghuanglian (SHL for short) is a modern formula that was devised in the 1960s to treat a variety of infections. It is comprised of the alcohol-water extracts of three herbs: lonicera (shuanghua, often called jinyinhua), scute (huangqin), and forsythia (lianqiao). . . .
. . . One of the early preparations of the SHL was a tablet made of equal proportions of the extracts of each herb. This was used to treat leptospirosis, a disorder caused by a spirochete bacteria, related to the organism that causes Lyme disease.
Leptospirosis causes initial symptoms of fever and chills, headache, and muscle ache (especially in the shoulders); these are consistent with "flu-like" symptoms described for the onset of many acute infections.
In a 1971 report, the formula was described as being made in 500 mg tablets derived from 3.7 grams of the crude herbs, and being administered in doses of 10-15 tablets (thus, equivalent to the extract of 37-55 grams of herbs) every 6 hours (1), a very high dosage.
. . . Recently, Shuanghuanglian has been applied successfully to treatment of Coxsackie B3,
. . . The general indications for SHL . . . are "relieving the exterior syndrome, clearing away heat and toxic material," and its indications are "treatment of fever, cough, and sore throat that arise from wind-heat syndrome."
It is said to have "a good action in treating upper respiratory tract infection, tonsillitis, laryngopharyngitis, pneumonia, acute enteritis, viral dysentery, etc., when caused by virus or bacterial infection."
- full article at link above.
- Detail from two of the most reputable sources of OLE:
Die-off effects -- Olive leaf use causes the death of microbes. The liver, kidneys, intestines and skin are therefore tested to their limits, to deal with, and remove them. This causes Herxheimers Reaction, which can have a variety of symptoms, but basically makes one feel ill or under the weather due to a treatment's effect upon the body.
Thus, "die-off," referred to in medicine as the "Herxheimer reaction," occurs when the olive leaf components kills large numbers of harmful germs rather quickly. Then, the patient's membranes absorb toxic products from these dead microorganisms.
The large amount of foreign antigens triggers an increasing immune response, in addition to interfering with usual biochemical processes, and these immune effects can temporarily worsen a person's symptoms. . . .
Symptoms The symptoms include fatigue, diarrhea, muscle and joint pains, headaches, rashes, flu-like symptoms and even pimples.
These symptoms indicate that the herb is working and that a range of microbes and toxins have been eliminated and are in the process of being removed from your system. These symptoms can be reduced by increasing your fluid intake - but if they persist, reduce the dosage.
. . . . See details at link:
* Safety Precautions and * Known Drug Interactions
Side Effects: Olive leaves have been used safely for thousands of years. The only known side-effect is the possibility of a Herxheimer reaction, an allergic response caused by the rapid die-off of fungi that release toxins which may temporarily cause a brief allergic reaction, lasting for several days. -
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Thanks for the info Keebler. As usual you are a tremendous font of information. Posts: 115 | From Central PA | Registered: Jul 2009
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