"On the Western Blot tests, band 31 represents OspA, 34 OspB, and 23-25 OspC. Band 30 is a heat shock protein and is likely not specific to Borrelia. Anyone that has had dental work done in the past six months will show positive for band 41 as there are a number of dental spirochetes generally present. In early disease, may only see 41, 39, 23-25. 6-12 months after a bite, 31, 34, 83-93 may present. There is not a normal IgM/IgG pattern in Lyme disease. IgGs are mostly negative. IgG may represent that the body has a knowledge of the disease, but may not be in an active disease state. Western Blot testing is not useful until at least 3 weeks after infection; prior to that PCR testing may be the most useful."
Lucky Me. I have 31, 34, 83, 93, etc.
"Double intracellular antibiotics is often the best approach. Note: At ILADS, Dr. H also talked about the use of more than one intracellular antibiotic."
I'm not on double. Currently on Biaxin and pulse Flagyl.
"Borrelia seems to become resistant to Zithromax and Biaxin and it is not ideal to use these as a single agent for too long. A new drug called Moxatag may be as effective as Bicillin. It is best to pulse cyst-busting medications to avoid resistance. Dr. H reported good results with Invanz."
Great....I am on Biaxin.
"Of all of the infections, Bartonella is the hardest to treat. Some options may include Rizol MY, Avelox, Rifampin + a fluoroquinolone, Arnica, Pau d'Arco, NutraMedix Houttuynia, Resveratrol, Boneset, Teasel, NutraMedix Lakato, NutraMedix Banderol, Tigecycline, and Zyvox."
Great...I haven't started treating this yet.
Still, interesting stuff.
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No, I am not against abx (I am on IV abx), but what's new? I look forward to the day that antibiotics and even natural antimicrobials are behind us. I think it can happen soon (within the next few years) if the FDA allows so.
Did anyone else here hear that the other really big Dr. H has better success with Nutramedix. Well, he doesn't specifically say this I hear he uses it on treatment failures and brings his success rate from 70% to 90%+. I hear his buddy Dr. C that got him to use Nutramedix claims to have a similar success rate if his patients aren't on antibiotics. Is all this true?
I think the Klinghardt's presentation was much more interesting. Even if you don't agree with some or many of his ideas, I have realized that a lot of them look to be spot on.
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You see lots of herbal options listed for Bartonella. It's not just all abx.
Some of Dr. K's theories are a little too "out there" for me.
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I just don't see what's new. It's nice he listed the herbal options for bart I guess.
At first I thought Dr. K's theories are too far out there, but then I realized I think he is closer to earth than most of us. I don't expect him to ever be respected by most Allopaths, but I willl bet on them stealing ideas from him; perhaps one at a time.
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I've been using Zithromax (azithromycin) for the past 4 months as one of my agents.
So,what are the other options?
-------------------- First Symptom 9/09 Multiple docs, negative Labcorp test LLMD: 1/10 Positive Igenex/CDC test Treatment 2/10 2/10-8/10 Amox, ceftin, zith, flagyl Currently: Bicillin, Minocycline, still dealing with severe breathing issues
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I don't think anyone has all the answers. Its all trial and error. And I would need to see the success rates on paper. All LLMD's have a great success rate; yet here we all are, most years into treatment. So I guess it depends on what you consider success!
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quote:Originally posted by onbam: Did Dr. K discuss transmission at all at his conference? I've heard that he has cited a german study in claiming that it can essentially be transmitted as easily as a cold; do any Dr. K patients think you can ask him for more details about that when you see him, possibly (who the researchers were, etc.), as I cannot find it online.
I believe there was a study done in Europe where the causative spirochetes were found on just about every public phone. I don't remember where I read this. I haven't made it through the whole lecture yet, and perhaps that's what he is referring to?
Maybe that was a dream of mine, as I can't find the source.
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I don't see how they could be bb spirochetes. Wouldn't it be much more likely those are the common "mouth" spirochetes? I have a hard time even believing those would be found on a public phone.
I don't mean to be such a skeptic, but at a certain point, we can't loose touch with reality here.
Why would it be so hard to find any evidence of bb spirochetes in people with known Lyme (bullseye rash, etc), if they were found so easily on surfaces?
I have heard people talk about that too, kday...you aren't dreaming it. I just can't repeat it in good conscience, because it doesn't make logical sense to me.
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