An estimated 1.3 million adults in the U.S. have rheumatoid arthritis,
"Alcohol reduces immune activity, at least to some extent, and [we] suspect that this is the main reason that alcohol consumption is associated with a reduction in severity of rheumatoid arthritis," says the lead author of the study, James Maxwell, a rheumatologist at Rotherham Hospital, in the U.K. "Alcohol may also have a mild painkilling effect." ======================== I think they failed to see that alcohol is antibacterial to some degree.
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- I wonder if the people funding the study sell drugs to treat alcohol-induced hepatitis and Chirrosis of the liver.
Why they never look at the damage alcohol causes the liver is beyond me. -
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Most people do not consider how much poisons are put on the ingredients before it ever gets to the bottle.
Long term exposure is never considered in those for instance who drink wine. Organic may be a different story.
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1.3 million just for RA if you combine the other 80+ autoimmune illness's it is pretty much the whole population has one form or another AI issue. It is pretty absurd to stick to the notion that everyone's body just decided to attack itself.
However not good, alchohol does have antibacterial properties.
Wine is great for building blood cells. But I would try to buy organic.
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Gee, and I hear I was about to be happy for myself.....you guys are tough.
What about this Organic red wine? Which ones are better all the way around?
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- Funny (not), more than one doctor suggested to me that I should enjoy a glass or two of wine each day. But would they address lyme? Oh, no. Not at all.
For lyme patients, all recreational alcohol is to be totally avoided for the duration of treatment. Organic wine is still alcohol. It is still very hard on the liver - which already has been damaged from lyme and is the key organ that can help get us better.
Without the liver working at its best, we don't have a chance. Liver damage causes lots of symptoms and few really are looking at that.
This "study" was very poorly designed with several major flaws and assumptions. It looked at those who do drink and made the assumption that alcohol protected them.
However, MAYBE (or most likely) those who did NOT drink had health problems not because they did not drink but, as they had health problems, refrained from drinking.
As for the statement from the rheumatologist: "Alcohol may also have a mild painkilling effect."
Well, duh. It depresses the nervous system. That's why so many have taken to it out of desperation. But it also kills the lining of the stomach, liver and brain cells when those systems are already overloaded - as with lyme and co.
Lyme (as well as many infections) can cause hepatitis and Chirrosis of the liver - and fatty liver disease. It's vital that we be educated about that. So many symptoms attributed to lyme are made worse by a stressed liver.
And the basic liver tests are just in the "Mickey Mouse" zone when it comes to knowing the exact terrain and function of the liver. They don't test for all they can - and only a biopsy can show certain things. And that even misses. For anyone with an infection, social drinking is not the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
The doctors who suggest that may just want us to shut up and go away.
There are many better choices for pain relief: magnesium, turmeric/curcumim, corydalis, antioxidants - and actually addressing the reason for the pain - or "autoimmunity" reactions - in the first place.
Dr. Burrascano's Treatment Guidelines (2008) - 37 pages
Sections regarding self-care:
From page 27:
CERTAIN ABSOLUTE RULES MUST BE FOLLOWED IF LYME SYMPTOMS ARE TO BE PERMANENTLY CLEARED:
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3. Absolutely no alcohol!
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-[more details at link above]
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Porphyria is another consideration - alcohol elevates porphyrins. That can't be tested by just any test but the damage can be severe at worst, a bad herx, at best. The "Secondary Porphyria" article explains more about liver stress and chronic infection.
PORPHYRIA Thread - along with details about KPU/HPU (Mauve factor) -
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I know Keebler.
I know it is a serious issue. I was a Dr. B patient and I clearly remember him saying that too. Lyme was a life style change, and a healthier change as well.
I don't mean to sound like I am making light of it. I truly agree. It's just dissapointing.
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- Didn't mean to come on like a bull dozer. Voice tone can be a bit hard to interpret and we both probably had a lighter tone than what the words may indicate.. I should have commented that you probably were wishing, so to speak, to lighten it all up.
And, for the record, I wish I could enjoy wine, too. I'm not against it (in theory). My body just reacts as it is poison. Always has.
For many new here - they may not know, and be swallowing doxy with bourbon. It's been done. And no one every told them the risk.
I get mad with "studies" that assume stuff, too. I tried to see who funded that "study" but could not easily find that. But the media never questions - or brings in others to discuss it. They just print whatever press release is handed to them and it becomes "fact" to many readers.
So if you sensed me raising my voice, it was not so much at you as the misrepresentations of these news articles that tell people wine is so good for the heart but fail to consider the liver - and fail to consider that some can handle it but, for others, it's like drinking rocket fuel or the kind of liquid with which one would clean a printing press.
Even among those without chronic infection, we all know people who do well with a glass of wine at dinner. And we know people who don't. No so much from the addiction aspect but they just don't feel well afterward, or the next day. That's a big sign of liver damage but it's often ignored. -
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I don't drink but If I could-----
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Red wine doesn't hurt the liver as much as the benzos and sleeping aids some LDs would have u take. Given the choice I'll enjoy the product of the vine-moderation is the key
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- For lyme patients, though, not even wine is allowed during treatment - "absolutely no alcohol" is how Dr. B's guidelines phrase it. Most LLMDs agree - but not because they are trying to be mean. Our livers are just too overloaded. Alcohol also totally changes the chemical structure of the medication we take to something altogether different.
There are also many options to the benzos. -----------
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I used to drink wine before I got sick. I also used to eat chocolate chip cookies and drink coffee (sweetened of course). Maybe those were what were keeping me healthy. Ha ha.
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