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does it necessarily mean i have a yeast overgrowth? it's not a lot, i just brush my teeth in the morning and that's it. i have no other symptoms except ive broken out in rashes all over (kind of looks like eczema) so im trying to figure out if it's candida.
could that just be yeast die off? or does white thrush in the morning = yeast overgrowth
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lululymemom
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One quick way of checking for yeast (and I know it sounds odd but..) is to spit into a cup of water first thing in the morning. Even before you get up. Spit into it twice and if you see long stringy strands coming from it that usually indicates yeast. If you see a sediment at the bottom, that could indicate a parasitic infection.
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TF
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Thrush IS yeast overgrowth.
If you have white or yellow spots on your tongue in the morning, or a thick white coating, you have yeast overgrowth.
Why not look at some pictures on the internet. Just type in "yeast thrush tongue pictures"
With each swallow, the yeast is transported into the stomach and the rest of your digestive tract. It will cause bloating, gas, discomfort, abdominal pain, and other symptoms.
My lyme doc just looked at my tongue at each appt to see if I had yeast.
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I don't know what else does that if it isn't yeast. I had an outbreak of candida several weeks ago, and it is back under control, but since I've been back on 2 antibiotics, my tongue is white in the morning with thrush. It is better if I keep my carbs as low as I can.
I took GSE (grapefruit seed extract) along with other things when I was fighting the flared up candida in my digestive system, and it seemed to help a lot. I also had a very bad herx during that time, and I don't know whether the GSE was part of it by hitting Lyme cysts and/or increasing the level of doxy in my blood. I am wary of taking too much GSE now, or taking it too close to doxy.
However, I have had good results on the thrush if I just put a few drops of GSE in a glass of water and then gargle with it, swish it around and spit it out. If it is yeast, and it's only in your mouth, then that could help.
I have been told it's good to empty a probiotic capsule on your tongue later, after you've used something antifungal and antimicrobial in your mouth. I couldn't get my capsule to break open easily, so I just drank kefir instead. It should help to keep thrush at bay in your mouth if you have more good bacteria there.
If you find out it's not yeast, please let us know what it was. I would be interested to know if anything else can cause that same symptom (white tongue).
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DIET, DIET, DIET is the key. Then, be sure to follow the 5 step plan outlined below. It was developed by my naturopath. It works.
"Successful control and elminiation of a Candida Albicans overgrowth requires a multifaceted program as described below. Failure to follow ALL the steps simultaneously will result in slow progress and will lengthen healing time significantly. The program should be tailored to the individual and must balance the need to eliminate the Candida and deprive it of its food source while insuring proper nutrition for the individual."
Five Steps to Candida Elimination:
1. You must starve it into submission by eliminating its food source.
2. You must kill it with anti-fungal herbs and supplements. [e.g....garlic, onion, caprylic acid, Pau D'Arco capsules or tea, clove, grapefruit seed extract, olive leaf extract, oil of oregano, tea tree oil, Echinacea, Goldenseal, black walnut, MSM, barberry root, uva ursi, neem leaf, biotin]
3. You must reestablish the proper balance and quantity of probiotic bacteria in the digestive tract. [...multi-strain lactobacillus acidophilus and bifidus capsules with FOS should be taken between meals to maximize repopulation of the digestive tract by beneficial bacteria.]
4. You must reestablish proper levels of all B vitamins (yeast free) and utilize other immune enhancing supplements to boost immune system function. [e.g ... B complex vitamins (yeast free), biotin, beta 1-3 glucan, colostrum, maitake mushroom, vitamins A, C, E, zinc and selenium]
5. You must cleanse and heal the digestive tract to promote proper elimination of toxins and Candida and assimilation of nutrients. [e.g...chlorophyll, MSM, omega 3 fatty acids found in flax seed and salmon oils, GLA found in borage, evening primrose and black currant oils. Pantothenic acid, digestive enzymes between meals]
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It is hard to control yeast when on antiboitics with diet alone. It is good you are watching your diet, but you may need some diflucan or sporonex.
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i stopped the antibiotic i was taking on 2 occassions - both times it hasn't helped.
i keep telling my LLMD that i have some white stuff in my mouth when i wake up and all he says is " are you taking acidophilus" i say "yes religiously" and that's the end of that convo. you're right i probably need an anti=yeast medication
i started taking oil of oregano today. is that as powerful as everyone makes it out to be?
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It might not be yeast. When my allergies are flaring I sometimes sleep with my mouth open. Then I wake up with my mouth feeling dry. I notice that sometimes I have a few white strings usually where my gums and teeth touch against my cheeks. If I move my tongue across my teeth (or to moisten my lips) the strings will get on my tongue. The strings easily rinse away when I take a drink of water.
I do not think that they are yeast because they rinse away easily. And a whitish looking tongue can be from dry mouth too (if this is the case, you are seeing the hairs on your tongue).
A thicker white coating would be a major sign of yeast. Can look like a layer of cottage cheese. It can also cause patches on your cheeks and under your tongue. Underneath the white stuff you can have sores that are raw and bleed easily.
So if you have no other signs of yeast, check out your meds, they may be causing you to have a dry mouth.
You might try using a different mouth wash. I like Jason brand "Healthy Mouth", it has antibacterial, antifungal, antiviral, and moisturizing herbs/oils to help keep your mouth healthy.
If you need something with fluoride try Listerine smart rinse "Berry shield". It kills germs without using alcohol. I use the Jason brand in the morning and Listerine smart rinse in the evening (per my dentist's recommendation).
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are there any other skin manifestations of lyme disease besides the EM rash? i have red itchy bumps all over and nobody including 2 dermatologists/a LLMD/and a PCP know why
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I've had that stingy stuff also. Although not stringy now, I am dealing with yeast. Has been hard to get rid of. I'm on an antibiotic break (2 months) and have been feeling really crappy. Hitting things hard with Difulican and lots of herbs and supplements (herxing), but new LLMD said no antibiotics until this is under control.
For yeast, in addition to the Diflucan I just started, I take Candex (2 x daily), GSE, Olive Leaf Extract, Inner Defense from Young Living (has lots of different oils in it), etc. When on antibiotics, I've always taken Candex and will continue. It's an enzyme based supplement, totally natural. Because it's enzymes, it 'eats' the yeast so there is not die off. Then lots of different probiotics. And, of course, diet is key. No sugar, no carbs, and very minimal fruit.
Yankee - if I may suggest..... I would stay away from steriods, even the topical ones. There is a strong belief that when an illness is trying to express itself through something like a rash, and we suppress it by applying topical steriods, it forces this expression of illness back into the body, where it will then express itself another way. Often suppressed skin things go to the lungs. I've heard over and over how people had eczema and now they have asthma. I know rashes are not easy to take.... it's just one more thing to deal with. My husband has had a rash on the back of his head for 2 years that is driving him crazy. We've tried everything. Our newest thing, which may be helping, it applying organic coconut oil every day, and also taking it internally. It's great for so many things. Maybe give that a try. Good luck! Tammy
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glm1111
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GiGi posted a symptom list for parasites a while back. Chronic candida was on the list of symptoms.
Parasites and worms can be a co-infection of Lyme disease and should be treated. Do a search on here by typing parasites in the search bar at the top.
Gael
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You should get some diflucan if it is yeast. This helps me tremendously.
Also, buy a tongue cleaner...they sell them at most organic supermarkets. You scrape all that gunk off your tongue in the morning and at night...whenever!
The tongue scrapers help me tremendously. It stops you from swallowing that stuff, and your tongue will look much better, eventually getting back to almost pink.
good luck
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The bacterium Porphyromonas Gingivalis can cause the whitish film in the mouth. This is the bacterium primarily responsible for gum disease.
I have been experimenting with the destruction of this using frequencies. I do not have Lyme but did have the white film, Crohn's and gum disease.
This bacterium also somewhat alters a normal immune response.
I have reduced the film to a great degree, but I am not sure of any other benefits yet.
Dan
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