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Our LLND recently helped us discover a black mold contamination that was affecting my health (very low MSH).
We found the source, diswasher leak. Properly had a contractor replace all necessary wood and dry wall.
Now she says we need to remove everything from the house, steam clean carpets & furniture, wash/dry all bedding & clothing, vacuum books.
Haven't been able to get in touch with her for more explicit details.
Has anyone successfully done this? I need tips on whether it all has to be done at once or can it be done piecemeal? What should we clean everything with - bleach, borax? Do we have to take every single thing out of every cupboard and drawer?
I have Mold Warriers by Shoemake and Mold Remediation...by Dr. S, but neither address doing this by yourself. Any other books you have found helpful for doing this yourself?
I am, of course, overwhelmed. Husband is healthy, but daughter and I have Lyme (need I say more). We have friends that can help. I need to get a plan and date in place so we can move forward.
Any experiences, thoughts, insights appreciated.
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CD57
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there is a yahoo group called Sickbuildings that may help with this.
I have low MSH too. Is that indicative of active mold exposure?
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4seasons - have you searched the archives? There are lots of discussions there about mold remediation. Here is a link with a good thread about mold. Lots of links in there that might be useful. Know you mold and lyme risks http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/80966?
I'm working on that myself. It is pretty complex. It is not easy to get rid of the spores in the house even after the mold is removed. I've been using thieves oil and a diffuser to accomplish that aspect but there is much more to a full remediation than that.
In my view, you cannot use low MSH to implicate current exposure to mold or other biotoxins because from what I've read, for those with the HLA problem related to biotoxins, if you don't intervene and get rid of the toxins and MARCONS, your MSH will stay low.
I've recently found a company that makes a number of herbal products that might help with this. www.precisionherbs.com
These are the products that I found that might be useful. I just got them in the mail on Friday.
MSH - Stock Number: S306 - Sizes: 60,160 Capsule Suggested use: Take 1 capsule twice a day. Used historically to help overcome melanocyte stimulating hormone resistance and to normalize the gene switches responsible for the production of MSH. This is especially useful in cases of mold spore toxicity. Capsule Ingredients: wood betony, tribulus terestris, yerba mate (green), milkweed herb, pau d' arco bark, rose hip (seedless), ironweed root, valerian root, cellulase
MMP-9 Balance - Stock Number: S322 - Sizes: 60 Capsule Take one to two capsules twice a day. To balance the production of matrix metalloproteinase 9 (MMP-9), especially in victims of mold spore toxicity. Capsule Ingredients: radish seed, sarsaparilla root (mexico), yellow dock root, milk thistle seed, nettle leaf, yerba mansa root, cellulase
Leptin Sense - Stock Number: S361 - Sizes: 60,160 Capsule Suggested use: Take 1 capsule twice a day. Used historically to help normalize the production of leptin in fat cells and reduce leptin resistance in people with mold spore toxicity and obesity. It can be used as a weight loss aid. Capsule Ingredients: sassafras root, tribulus terestris, spearmint leaf, yerba mate (green), cellulase
VEGF - Stock Number: S350 - Sizes: 60,160 Capsule Suggested use: Take 1 or 2 capsules twice a day. Historically used to help balance the production of vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF) and hypoxia inducible factor (HIF)in victims of mold spore toxicity. This may help restore normal blood flow through the capillaries and help people with chronic fatigue, sore muscles and poor oxygen transfer in the lungs. Capsule Ingredients: witch hazel bark, pomegranate, concord grape skin & seed, vervain (blue), woodruff herb, yellow cinchona bark, patchouli leaf, tribulus terestris, cellulase
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You can't get the VEGF without a practioner so I had my herbalist sign up so I could get that one. I have no financial interest in the products but I can get the ones for you that you can't get without a practioner - through my herbalist.
Terry I'm not a doctor
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We have been dealing with mold in our townhouse attic and I have been very active with this issue to get it resolved. Please check with a qualified mold remediation person to advise you on the process. One suggestion is that after your mold remediation is complete, you can run an Ozone Machine for 24-48 hrs with the furnace fan on to get all air circulating, ***FIRST AND FOREMOST*** it is important for all occupants, pets, plants, fish etc. *** TO LEAVE THE HOUSE***,after the machine is turned on, this machine kills all spores in the house that have been in the air after remediation. When this process is complete, there is a spray called Benefac which comes in a 2 litre jug/bottle, this can be sprayed on to help you pick up any spore residues that were left over on surfaces, walls etc. You can spray it on couches etc. As with anything there maybe varied opinions about the Ozone Machine,but in the long run any precaution is worth it!
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i too would go with a large professional ozone machine if you cannot get a pro to do it. if you can afford it i would have someone else do it since you are sick and its labor intensive job.
like comet said, important you are not in the house with the ozone.... important that you open windows etc and let it air out without you in it as well. if you ozone first then you could take things out of the house to clean like books etc. paper is challengling to get mold spores out.
tennessee mold has dishes they send you to test your house. they will tell you exactly what it is how much you have and help with what problems there are with the spores.
they are pretty inexpensive and very helpful. might be in seeing what the spore load is etc.
i have just bought a propolis air difuser for mold for daily use. might be good to use something like that with a good hepa as well once you are done doing the big cleaning.
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If you go with a professional mold remediation company be very careful who you pick. From what I've been told there is no special licensing needed to prove that they know what they are doing. I've heard some real horror stories about very expensive remediations that did not solve the problem.
I have a shock ozone generator which I plan to use when the problems have been fixed and any moldy building material removed. You can purchase a box that can allow books and other things to be saturated with ozone.
I don't believe there is any proof that an ozone generator works any better than diffusing thieves oil or propolis but if anyone has any, I'd love to see it since both my sister and I are looking for solutions.
I do know someone who uses an ozone machine regularly and they said it made a HUGE difference in their health. There is a possible risk with rubber. As already mentioned, living things should never be in the house while the ozone machine is on. I've read that house wiring might be at risk in some instances but haven't been able to substantiate that.
A regular ozone machine will not work for mold from what I've read. You need one that can provide a shock ozone treatment.
I have a high quality hepa filter with ultra violet which is purported to help with mold spores but I couldn't find anything to substantiate that the ultraviolet light is effective. Not much more money so we decided to get it.
minerva - do you know of any studies on propolis dispersion and mold by any chance? I'm just in the beginning phases of researching the propolis.
I read that the guy who did the research on thieves oil diffusion and wrote the book "Natures Mold Rx", sets several diffusers up on timeers and runs them at intervals (like once a week for 15 minutes or something like that) as a prophelactic for mold. Seems like a good idea.
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