METALLlC BLUE
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I apologize for the length in advance. However, if you want thorough reporting, you got it. If you want just a general summary of how I think things went, scroll to the bottom and read "Present Day."
A lot of people have been contacting me about my results with the Bionic880. I have been cautious in releasing premature results. I do not wish to get hopes up, or worse, have people invest thousands of dollars and precious time using a treatment that may not be appropriate.
However, after careful consideration, it is in your best interest to evaluate the results for yourself. If this premature result was worth giving to my current primary care physician, then it is likely appropriate to give to you.
I will provide the report here.
This report is exactly the same one my physician received.
Bionic 880 Explanation
The Bionic 880 Photon treatment worked as follows. We used 10 points on the body, apparently considered meridians. The infrared light was 5 min per point. The order of the points was right-wrist, left-wrist, right ear, left ear, forehead, crown-head, right thyroid, left thyroid, Thymus, and abdomen. The Frequency most often used was 11.77 and less often 9.88. Borrelia nosodes. Nosode numbers (dilutions) included: 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 30, 60, 100, 200 (They are all D dilution). The nosodes were taped to my solar plexus with the clear glass pressed against the skin directly. The first 3 treatments were performed using only borrelia nosodes. After the 4th treatment we then added vial of my own blood. A blood draw was performed prior to each treatment using a butterfly IV with a standard gauge syringe, usually via the hand. Post-treatment and IV Infusion with Sodium Bicarbonate 8.4%, 100ml Sodium Chloride 400ml, 100ml of Bicarbonate was given, which took about 45 mins. Most of the time we went to a specialist to perform the infusion, though occasionally we did them at home ourselves, just as with the blood draws.
Conclusion: I believe the Bionic treatment had some type of impact. I am feeling exhausted presently after such a long flight and having to catch up. I plan to start Rife therapy up on September 7th using the EMEM3D2 Radiant machine. The bionic works by strengthening immunity and ``information transmission'' to cells. While the Rife may be able to access areas, which the Bionic may be ineffective such as, bone, collagen, etc.
Bionic 880 Results
Present Summary [08-10-10]: At this time, it is clear to me that the Bionic 880 therapy does in-fact have an impact on the body physiologically. Symptoms did improve at various points, lifting my level of function as high as 45%. This has never been achieved before without antibiotic therapy. Antibiotic therapy was discontinued [04-28-10] in preparation for Bionic 880 therapy. Antibiotics cannot be used in conjunction. At present, I remain off all antibiotics and anti-parasitic therapies. A worsening of symptoms from lack of antibiotic treatment was seen between ending antibiotics and entering the 4th treatment with the Bionic, which took place on, [06-06-10]
Here are the results: 2 cycles were performed. 13 treatments were performed in total. The first treatment we used Nosodes from Mexico an then switched later to German borrelia nosodes.
1: [05-26-10] Bionic at 11.77, 10 points: 5 minutes for each point. The body points were 5 mins at R wrist, L wrist, R ear, L ear, Forehead, Top of head, R thyroid, L thyroid, Thymus, and abdomen with Nosodes attached to the solar plexus during the complete process. The nosodes were from Mexico and included a Master vile of borrelia. Nosode numbers included: 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 30, 60, 100, 200 (They are all D dilution). Post-treatment and IV Infusion with Sodium Bicarbonate 8.4%, 100ml Sodium Chloride 400ml, 100ml of Bicarbonate
Result: No progress was seen, though I appear to be having a Herxheimer reaction. I have sweats, mood changes, including depression. I have trouble sleeping even more so than usual, my fatigue is worse and regular pain is more. I feel fluish. Symptoms are much worse than prior to this treatment.
2: [05-29-10] Bionic at 11.77, 10 points: 5 minutes for each point. The body points were 5 mins at R wrist, L wrist, R ear, L ear, Forehead, Top of head, R thyroid, L thyroid, Thymus, and abdomen with Nosodes attached to the solar plexus during the complete process. The nosodes were from Mexico and included a Master vile of borrelia. Nosode numbers included: 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 30, 60, 100, 200 (They are all D dilution). Post-treatment and IV Infusion with Sodium Bicarbonate 8.4%, 100ml Sodium Chloride 400ml, 100ml of Bicarbonate
Result: No progress was seen after the second treatment on the [05-29-10] I am having primary insomnia (difficulty falling asleep), very similar to that seen with Levaquin. I continued to feel bad, but stabilized at 35%.
3: [06-01-10] Bionic at 9.88, 10 points: 5 minutes for each point. The body points were 5 mins at R wrist, L wrist, R ear, L ear, Forehead, Top of head, R thyroid, L thyroid, Thymus, and abdomen with Nosodes attached to the solar plexus during the complete process. The nosodes were from Mexico and included a Master vile of borrelia. Nosode numbers included: 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 30, 60, 100, 200 (They are all D dilution). Post-treatment and IV Infusion with Sodium Bicarbonate 8.4%, 100ml Sodium Chloride 400ml, 100ml of Bicarbonate
Result: No progress was seen after the third treatment. Gas and bloating, mood changes, aches and pain, as well as fatigue remain the problem.
4: [06-06-10] Bionic at 9.88, 10 points: 5 minutes for each point. The body points were 5 mins at R wrist, L wrist, R ear, L ear, Forehead, Top of head, R thyroid, L thyroid, Thymus, and abdomen with Nosodes attached to the solar plexus during the complete process. The nosodes were from Erica (Germany) and included a Master vile of borrelia from Mexico. A vial of my own blood was also used. Nosode numbers included: 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 30, 60, 100, 200 (They are all D dilution). Post-treatment and IV Infusion with Sodium Bicarbonate 8.4%, 100ml Sodium Chloride 400ml, 100ml of Bicarbonate
Note: I began using the Bionic 880 at frequency 2.77 to treat inflammation of the ascending colon. I performed about 6 treatments. 3 treatments per cycle, then a break must be done.
* Result: The 4th treatment was successful. The following day, [06-07-10], function increased to 40% for the first time. Treating the inflammation of the ascending colon also appears to help reduce pain and inflammation.
5: [06-09-10] Bionic at 9.88, 10 points: 5 minutes for each point. The body points were 5 mins at R wrist, L wrist, R ear, L ear, Forehead, Top of head, R thyroid, L thyroid, Thymus, and abdomen with Nosodes attached to the solar plexus during the complete process. The nosodes were from Erica (Germany) and included a Master vile of borrelia from Mexico. A vial of my own blood was also used. Nosode numbers included: 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 30, 60, 100, 200 (They are all D dilution). Post-treatment and IV Infusion with Sodium Bicarbonate 8.4%, 100ml Sodium Chloride 400ml, 100ml of Bicarbonate
* Result: Improvements continued for 2 days following the 4th treatment, and then a significant worsening of symptoms was seen. Function dropped to about 30%
6: [06-12-10] Bionic at 9.88, 10 points: 5 minutes for each point. The body points were 5 mins at R wrist, L wrist, R ear, L ear, Forehead, Top of head, R thyroid, L thyroid, Thymus, and abdomen with Nosodes attached to the solar plexus during the complete process. The nosodes were from Erica (Germany) and included a Master vile of borrelia from Mexico. A vial of my own blood was also used. Nosode numbers included: 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 30, 60, 100, 200 (They are all D dilution). Post-treatment and IV Infusion with Sodium Bicarbonate 8.4%, 100ml Sodium Chloride 400ml, 100ml of Bicarbonate
* Result: Symptoms did appear after this treatment today. I felt irritable, tired and it could be because of the treatment this morning. I felt about 40%, even to the point of thinking I could go out to do something outside, but something small such as sit in the yard or walk a little, if my foot didn't hurt.
7: [06-15-10] Bionic at 9.88, 10 points: 5 minutes for each point. The body points were 5 mins at R wrist, L wrist, R ear, L ear, Forehead, Top of head, R thyroid, L thyroid, Thymus, and abdomen with Nosodes attached to the solar plexus during the complete process. The nosodes were from Erica (Germany) and included a Master vile of borrelia from Mexico. A vial of my own blood was also used. Nosode numbers included: 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 30, 60, 100, 200 (They are all D dilution). Post-treatment and IV Infusion with Sodium Bicarbonate 8.4%, 100ml Sodium Chloride 400ml, 100ml of Bicarbonate
Results: The following days were filled with depression and fatigue. Function dropped below 35%.
8: [06-20-10] Bionic at 11.77, 10 points: 5 minutes for each point. The body points were 5 mins at R wrist, L wrist, R ear, L ear, Forehead, Top of head, R thyroid, L thyroid, Thymus, and abdomen with Nosodes attached to the solar plexus during the complete process. The nosodes were from Erica (Germany) and included a Master vile of borrelia from Mexico. A vial of my own blood was also used. Nosode numbers included: 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 30, 60, 100, 200 (They are all D dilution). Post-treatment and IV Infusion with Sodium Bicarbonate 8.4%, 100ml Sodium Chloride 400ml, 100ml of Bicarbonate
Result: The cognitive and mental symptoms were worse as well as the fatigue but the aches and pain were less. I still am experiencing some pressure/soreness occasionally on my left side lateral to my kidney. Insomnia and sleep issues remain troublesome, with constant waking. Cycle ends for almost 4 weeks.
Note: It has now been 10 days since stopping the Bionic. During that period, I felt quite sick -- often mentally as well as drained physically. My moods were poor, sleep was highly disturbed. Yesterday, out of nowhere I moved past 40 % to about 42%. I then stayed up into the evening remaining at about 40% until 8-9 p.m. when I gradually slid down to 39%. This is superior progress for now. Again, improvements were seen 22 days after the last bionic treatment.
Bionic 880 Results Continued
9: [07-15-10] Bionic at 11.77, 10 points: 5 minutes for each point. The body points were 5 mins at R wrist, L wrist, R ear, L ear, Forehead, Top of head, R thyroid, L thyroid, Thymus, and abdomen with Nosodes attached to the solar plexus during the complete process. The nosodes were from Erica (Germany) and included a Master vile of borrelia from Mexico. A vial of my own blood was also used. Nosode numbers included: 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 30, 60, 100, 200 (They are all D dilution). Post-treatment and IV Influsion with Sodium Bicarbonate 8.4%, 100ml Sodium Chloride 400ml, 100ml of Bicarbonate
* Results: My health had improved over the last 3 days prior to this treatment. I have functioned at about 40-45%, though yesterday I had a massive mood change, and some depression, which caused me to need a few hours of sleep in the afternoon. My stomach has felt better and I was able to ride around town the other day for 2 hours on a bike. I also was able to brush my teeth every morning, shave when needed, shower once or even twice per day, floss my teeth, wash dishes a few times each day, as well as talk to my father and mother on the phone for 1 hour each. The next morning I felt ``reasonably well.'' My digestive system was doing ``ok'',
10: [07-18-10] Bionic at 11.77, 10 points: 5 minutes for each point. The body points were 5 mins at R wrist, L wrist, R ear, L ear, Forehead, Top of head, R thyroid, L thyroid, Thymus, and abdomen with Nosodes attached to the solar plexus during the complete process. The nosodes were from Erica (Germany) and included a Master vile of borrelia from Mexico. A vial of my own blood was also used. Nosode numbers included: 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 30, 60, 100, 200 (They are all D dilution). Post-treatment and IV Infusion with Sodium Bicarbonate 8.4%, 100ml Sodium Chloride 400ml, 100ml of Bicarbonate
Results: The day following treatment I didn't feel well but I wasn't very sick. Today however I feel very run down. Depression, sleep abnormalities, digestive problems and pain.
11: [07-21-10] Bionic at 11.77, 10 points: 5 minutes for each point. The body points were 5 mins at R wrist, L wrist, R ear, L ear, Forehead, Top of head, R thyroid, L thyroid, Thymus, and abdomen with Nosodes attached to the solar plexus during the complete process. The nosodes were from Erica (Germany) and included a Master vile of borrelia from Mexico. A vial of my own blood was also used. Nosode numbers included: 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 30, 60, 100, 200 (They are all D dilution). Post-treatment and IV Infusion with Sodium Bicarbonate 8.4%, 100ml Sodium Chloride 400ml, 100ml of Bicarbonate
Results: I felt extremely fatigued. I went to bed late so that contributed. I also suffered from major depression, which was caused partially by situational events.
12: [07-24-10] Bionic at 11.77, 10 points: 5 minutes for each point. The body points were 5 mins at R wrist, L wrist, R ear, L ear, Forehead, Top of head, R thyroid, L thyroid, Thymus, and abdomen with Nosodes attached to the solar plexus during the complete process. The nosodes were from Erica (Germany) and included a Master vile of borrelia from Mexico. A vial of my own blood was also used. Nosode numbers included: 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 30, 60, 100, 200 (They are all D dilution). Post-treatment and IV Influsion with Sodium Bicarbonate 8.4%, 100ml Sodium Chloride 400ml, 100ml of Bicarbonate
* Results: I felt better this morning but I attribute that to getting somewhat restful sleep and then getting up early. I managed to brush my teeth, shower and eat breakfast relatively early, which I often cannot do. I have not gone anywhere though. I'm not sure treatment is working. I do not feel confident in it.
13: [07-27-10] Bionic at 11.77, 10 points: 5 minutes for each point. The body points were 5 mins at R wrist, L wrist, R ear, L ear, Forehead, Top of head, R thyroid, L thyroid, Thymus, and abdomen with Nosodes attached to the solar plexus during the complete process. The nosodes were from Erica (Germany) and included a Master vile of borrelia from Mexico. A vial of my own blood was also used. Nosode numbers included: 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 30, 60, 100, 200 (They are all D dilution). Post-treatment and IV Infusion with Sodium Bicarbonate 8.4%, 100ml Sodium Chloride 400ml, 100ml of Bicarbonate
* Results: Moods have improved. Headaches in the evening and vertigo after treatment yesterday night. Digest inflammation and other aches are prevalent when I stay up past 9-10 p.m. I hit about 40% today.
Present Day
Today I report to you that I have had some up and down days, mostly down, which isn't unusual for me. What is unusual is that I occasionally have sporadic days of improvement. The interesting thing reported about Photon Therapy with the Bionic is that progress in symptoms is often seen weeks after finishing a cycle. This has been observed in my case. However, there seems to be a limit. That limit appears to be about 4 weeks. After that, symptoms gradually are returning. This tells me that "if" this therapy in-fact works, it seems to parallel treatments like Rife therapy, only the results appeared sooner than would be expected with Rife. The complexity and risk of performing the treatment are immediately higher, given the risk of infection or other errors while taking blood, or using IV solutions. These are the only obvious risks. Other risks that may create problems for some patients would be extremely violent herxheimer reactions. Like Rife treatment, if this therapy works, I would suggest patients be very careful in preparing their body for the pounding you will possibly take. This includes muscles, joints, organs (inflammation), as well as neurological and psychiatric manifestations that may result from intense Herxheimer reactions.
At this time, given cost, and risk I would choose Rife therapy over Bionic therapy if I didn't have the financial means. The only reason Bionic therapy was an option for me is because my girlfriend purchased a machine and had the resources to provide the appropriate IV therapies and blood draws.
I will continue Bionic therapy with more cycles. My third cycle will begin in late October.
For those interested in pursuing Rife, the thread "Rife Support" here on Lymenet would be recommended. I support this therapy as a possibility, although I have no personal experience. The reason being that I have done my homework carefully and note that the stories are extremely similar and progress seen is usually substantial in contrast to what is presently known about Photon Therapies. Other Photon Therapy machines are available in the U.S. but their track record is even less established than the Bionic 880. If you wish to research other Photon therapies, I do feel they are worth investigating.
For those who have failed antibiotics, herbs and feel they have no financial capacity to endure ongoing spending, some of these treatment methods could be the difference between remaining where you are and improving. There are no guarantees, and the Bionic is not (for me) a magic bullet, .....yet.
Further reports will be given down the road.
[ 10-09-2011, 08:39 PM: Message edited by: METALLlC BLUE ]
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METALLlC BLUE
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For those interested in the difference between my symptoms pre-treatment [02-02-10], and the date of my doctors appointment [08-10-10], here they are. Remember, my symptoms have worsened since this date, but the changes are worth noting.
The legend at the bottom will tell you what the + and - numbers mean.
Symptoms: [08-10-10]
* Face, Neck, Head
o Unexplained Hair loss - None - 2 o Headaches - High o Twitching of facial/other muscles -Low - 1 o Facial Paralysis - None o Tinging (nose, cheeks or face) - None - 1 o Stiff or painful neck, creaks, cracks - High o Jaw pain or stiffness - Moderate - 1 o Sore throat - None o Facial Nerve Pain - Moderate - 1
* Eyes & Vision
o Double or Blurry Vision - Low - 2 o Floaters - Low - 1 o Pain or Swelling of Eyes - None - 1 o Sensitivity To Light - Low - 1 o Flashing Lights - Low
* Digestive and Excretory Systems
o Diarrhea - Low o Constipation -Low + 1 o Bloating Gas - High o Abdominal Pain - Moderate o Irritable Bladder (trouble stopping or starting)- None - 1 o Upset Stomach (Nausea or Pain) - High + 1
* Musculoskeletal System
o Joint Pain or Swelling or Arthritis - High o Stiffness Of Joints, Back, Neck - High o Muscle Pain or Cramping - High
* Respiratory & Circulatory
o Shortness Of Breath, Cough - Low - 1 o Chest Pain or rib soreness - Low - 1 o Night sweats or Unexplained chills - None - 2 o Heart Palpitations or Extra Beats - None - 1 o Heart Blockage - None o Cold Hands & Feet (sweat) - Low - 1
* Neurological System
o Tremors or unexplained shaking - Moderate o Burning or Stabbing Sensations - Moderate - 1 o Weakness or partial paralysis - Moderate o Pressure In Head - Moderate o Numbness in body, tingling, pinpricks - Low - 1 o Poor balance, dizziness, difficulty walking in morning - High o Lightheadedness, wooziness - Moderate o Ringing in ears Moderate + 1 o Fine motor movement impaired: High
* Psychological Well Being
o Mood Swings, Irritability - High + 1 o Unusual Depression - High + 1 o Low frustration tolerance: - Moderate - 1 o Suicidal Thoughts: None o Disorientation (Getting or Feeling Lost) - Low - 1 o Feeling as if you're losing your mind -Low -1 o Overemotional reactions - Moderate o Too much sleep or Insomnia - Severe o Difficulty falling asleep or staying asleep. - Severe
* Mental Capacity
o Memory Loss (Short or long term) - High o Multitasking - High - 1 o Confusion (Difficult Thinking) - High o Difficulty with Concentration or reading - Moderate o Going To the Wrong places - Moderate - 1 o Speech Difficulty (slurred or slow) - None - 1 o Stammering Speech - None - 1 o Forgetting how to perform simple tasks - Moderate
* Reproductive
o Loss Of Sex Drive -Low - 1 o Sexual Dysfunction (Testicular pain) - None o Impotence - None
* General Well-Being
o Unexplained Weight Loss or Gain - High o Extreme Fatigue - High - 1 o Swollen Glands - None o Unexplained Fever (High or low grade) - None o Wax and Waning Symptoms - Severe o Migrating Pain - High
* Skin
o Unexplained Rashes - Moderate - 1 o Itchy Skin: High o Slow Healing: High
Legend:
None: No symptoms at all Low: Minimal and intermittent, tolerable Moderate: Some symptoms, some what tolerable High: Intense symptoms, potentially intolerable Severe: Intolerable symptoms, extreme.
Note: The Symbol (+ 1) indicates a step up from one tier to another since the last appointment. (- 1) indicates a step down from one tier. (+ 2) onward indicates two, etc.
In other words, if you see a +1, it means the symptom worsened from one tier, such as "Low" to "moderate."
-------------------- I am not a physician, so do your own research to confirm any ideas given and then speak with a health care provider you trust.
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Thanks for sharing. I also saw improvement after the fourth treatment and that seemed to be the normal pattern for those in Germany.
I felt 50% improved after three weeks of treatment, twice weekly. I waited a month, then treated again once. I then started treatment with the Desbio vials that had babesia in them, then the bart vials.
Both of those treatments, three weeks, twice weekly, then a month off. Then I switched to blood, same pattern. Then monthly with blood.
After 9 months I no longer had symptoms and ART tested clear for Lyme and coinfections. I don't think Desbio is necessary, I think blood handles the additional infections as the Desbio did not get rid of my babs or bart.
A very important thing with the Bionic is the month off is just as important as the time on. I made MORE progress during the MONTH OFF than during the three weeks I used it.
Give your body lots of time to catch up and be sure you're detoxing.
I'm glad to hear it's keeping you where the abx were. That is HUGE progress. That is about what I had, but I was higher functioning than you to begin with. When I declined off abx, I declined to 45%, so that was my starting point when I went over there. Bad days when I got home were 70%, good days near normal.
If you trust that the Bionic is working for you, I'd stick with it until you feel it is no longer working. It's not the Bionic killing the bugs, it's your body, so it will eventually get to all the areas.
I stopped having monthly flares in January of 2009, started Bionic in Oct. 2008. I have had no Lyme or coinfections symptoms since Aug. 2009.
My LLMD had no interest in my Bionic treatment.
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Thank you for the additional information Six.
quote: Were you treated in Germany or by a physician here?
Neither. We did it ourselves, including most blood draws and some of the IV's
quote: Is there a reason your girlfriend bought the 880 rather than the PE-1?
The 880 is what led to significant progress in her case. Her case is the reason I considered giving it a chance given I knew how sick she was going in and then how she was coming out of therapy. She did go to Germany, that is how she knew what she needed.
quote: Did you get your silver fillings removed and treat for parasites before this treatment?
I have never had a cavity. I have not treated for parasites. Humaworm and some of the recommendations given by sixgoofykids should suffice if I did decide to treat them.
quote: Did the PE-1 come with instructions?
Never used it.
quote: How did you know where to buy the nosodes?
I got the nosodes from Erica. She bought hers in Germany. I do not know exactly which place she bought them. I tried using my own Nosodes which I got from a doctor in Mexico, but I did not respond to them.
quote: Could it be that when symptoms return in 4 weeks it is parrallel to borrelia multiplying?
I am not sure given my symptoms didn't appear spontaneously. It was gradual.
quote: Do you have coinfections?
In the rife thread I wrote some notes. Here they are.
My objective diagnosis is Lyme Disease. I cured Rocky Mountain Fever.
Other infections include Chlamydia Pneumonia, Mycoplasma Pneumonia, but these too are cured.
Babesia was clinically diagnosed, as was Bartonella.
It is highly probable that both diagnosis are correct. The probability -- in my opinion -- is 99%.
Malarone therapy significantly removed all symptoms that I associated with Babesia, including drenching night sweats and breathing difficulties. It is not known to be cured but I did over a year of Malarone therapy at high doses and "normal" doses, aka, 250/100 x 3 (high) and 250/100 x 2 (normal). I used the high dose for one month of the last 14 months.
Bartonella only responded to Bactrim, no other therapy that I know of, but I used all the therapies associated with treating it. The type of Bartonella is unknown. It may not even be Bartonella, but what we do know is it's highly likely to be the one Dr. Burrascano is seeing, also known as BLO.
I also tested positive for the bacteria (or whatever it is) that Dr. Fry is seeing on his blood smears. I do not know how credible this data is.
quote: What kind of detox do you use? coffee enemas?
I use Pekana Detox. I purchase it from Natural Healing House (naturalhealinghouse.com), and I spoke with the doctor who runs it. She was extremely nice and well educated about a variety of therapies.
The individual Pekana products in the Detox kit are Itires, Renelex, Apo-Hepa. I take 20 drops of each, three times per day. I use a needle/syringe to extract the tincture since I hate measuring one drop at a time.
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The details in your posts are phenomenal--what a great resource for those of us also trying to figure out where/what to turn to next.
Any more recent updates, or are you now updating on the Rife thread only?
Are you only doing Bionic/Rife now, or do you have other modalities you are using along with it (if you don't mind sharing)? How are they working?
Thanks!
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Michael -- I think its crucial to treat parasites between cycles. The cycle of infection is a combination of pathogens the immune system can't deal with. Also taking anything improving the immune system is also crucial.
So you get to 45% per cent. A big question is your zinc levels. I now think boron is an important element in charging up the immune system.
LED light helps parasites, it doesn't hinder them. Oxygenating and alkalizing the body also helps parasites.
An article on the use of boron in relation to parasites:
I feel that supplementing the KPU protocol, which includes zinc, helped me immensely. Vitamin C and Vitamin D as well.
My gut was way too alkaline so I use Thorne Bio-gest, which contains Hcl, to help my digestion. People with an alkaline stomach tend to get parasites. Here's a stomach acid assessment that can be done at home. http://www.drdebe.com/stomach-acid-assessment.html
Treating parasites was my first breakthrough in treatment, and that was back when I was on abx. They are VERY important.
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since many metals are held by parasites, pushing alkalinizing is not the thing to do because Metals O N L Y go into solution for detoxing in an acidic environment.
Some meds touch the small parasites, some need to big. Start treating the small moving on to stronger. As long as parasites stay, all else is retained by the body. Break up the parasite colonies and things will start happening.
Everything evolves around parasites and that includes some of the mutations, protozoa=babesia. also considered parasites. Most of them cannot be found by lab
As long as parasites persist, metals hang on and hinder. As long as toxic metals still plentiful, parasites remain a problem.
And when that is coming under control, the parasites are releasing the fungi and creating a miserable die-off that needs to be addressed to lessen symptoms.
We are dealing with one ecosystem - the occupants of which are all related and fighting for their survival. The only way to deal with it is to be able to test energetically every day or more often to move from one day to the next with the right anti-agents in order to keep patient's head above water, treating whatever shows up as the body's priority.
Take care.
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I now believe after successfully beating down all the symptoms. It is very much like a pendulum which swings for a time in alkaline state then acidic one. You have pathogens who do well in an alkaline high oxygen state. You have others that do well in an acidic low oxygen state. Then you have friendlies that essentially prefer a specific balance. The wild card in all of this is EMF.
So to treat, if you are in an alkaline high O2 state, well a perfect time to parasite cleanse. Try and stay in this state for a few months to clear out bacteria, molds and viruses. Then a few months on the acidic side to kill the parasites, while still cleansing.
There are dependencies, metals, strength of the immune system, emf, earth grounding, exercise, relaxation cellularly (moderate flight or fight) and sunlight. All of these need to be worked on simultaneously.
I believe the LED's true power is creating energy through ATP throughout the body. If I had one class test to run on many different individuals is to see how the voltage changes in the body when using an LED. Also as a means to determine how to determine how long to do this treatment. The LED should be used with great caution. To much can make you very, very ILL.
With the LED you will plateau as I have. It does very little for me now.
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GiGi, there is an article I read in Discover Magazine (Mar 2011 issue) that very much speaks to what you're saying. It's fascinating. It talks about the 'ecosystem' in the human body.
quote:Originally posted by GiGi: since many metals are held by parasites, pushing alkalinizing is not the thing to do because Metals O N L Y go into solution for detoxing in an acidic environment.
Some meds touch the small parasites, some need to big. Start treating the small moving on to stronger. As long as parasites stay, all else is retained by the body. Break up the parasite colonies and things will start happening.
Everything evolves around parasites and that includes some of the mutations, protozoa=babesia. also considered parasites. Most of them cannot be found by lab
As long as parasites persist, metals hang on and hinder. As long as toxic metals still plentiful, parasites remain a problem.
And when that is coming under control, the parasites are releasing the fungi and creating a miserable die-off that needs to be addressed to lessen symptoms.
We are dealing with one ecosystem - the occupants of which are all related and fighting for their survival. The only way to deal with it is to be able to test energetically every day or more often to move from one day to the next with the right anti-agents in order to keep patient's head above water, treating whatever shows up as the body's priority.
Take care.
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All issues discussed have been done, including proper Chelation with Dr. Horowitz, Adrenal, Thyroid, and now Parasite therapies have concluded. No change in symptoms were seen. The digestive system is properly balanced based on a number of tests, including confirming proper bowel flora.
Currently Rife combined with D-Ribose therapy "might" be a hopeful symptomatic assistance, though further deeper work needs to be done to kill the infection. Improvements have been seen but they may wax and wane based on the weather, season, or other variables. Time will tell whether these therapies will succeed in the long run.
Killing the infection is the primary issue in my body based on prior therapeutic results. However, the limitations of killing the infection are that the immune system can't be used to kill it all, nor can antibiotics. Only a therapy which penetrates into tissues which are inaccessible to blood flow and immune system activity will allow me to lower the load enough to change the symptom profile. (Less symptoms). It's possible that bio-films may be an issue but a lot of heparin and thinners have been used.
I am positive that with all the therapies I have done over the last 10 years (about), that my bacterial load for borrelia is small, but a fraction of what it was, but still enough to antagonize an immune response causing the present symptoms. Co-infections still should be dealt with too but the biggest guns available aside from anti-parasite IV therapies have been used against all of them.
That too, I'll have to deal with in time, but "bacterial" infection is the primary source of symptoms involving fatigue, muscle aches, and probably sleep disturbance. We will see as I move through the current therapy.
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Well, it's been quite awhile since I've updated this. The conclusions I've drawn are still the same that I'd hold now. The machine works, that I have no doubt, but given the complexity of every cases, and the fact that multiple infections are involved, I think that anyone who pursues this must be realistic and understand it's not a magic bullet. You have to do a lot of work. It's about detox, it's about diet, exercise, sleep, stress reduction -- it's about a lot of things.
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quote:Originally posted by METALLlC BLUE: Well, it's been quite awhile since I've updated this. The conclusions I've drawn are still the same that I'd hold now. The machine works, that I have no doubt, but given the complexity of every cases, and the fact that multiple infections are involved, I think that anyone who pursues this must be realistic and understand it's not a magic bullet. You have to do a lot of work. It's about detox, it's about diet, exercise, sleep, stress reduction -- it's about a lot of things.
I completely agree. I think the Bionic is good for getting rid of borrelia. Problem is, most of us have more than borrelia. If you read my blog, you will see that detoxification is a major part of what I did after Germany. Also, exercise. Diet. Rebuilding and cleaning the gut.
And I still exercise (a lot). I still eat right. I still get enough sleep (7-9 hours per night). And I still do detox protocols, but not continually and not as intense as I did .... I figure we're still exposed to a lot that needs detoxing even after we're healthy.
Thanks for bumping this thread.
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MB - thanks for your update. Was hoping you were finding more progress. You have been so diligent with your treatments. You will get there. I hope for you it will be soon. Keep at it.
Have you tried ozone IVs? Can't remember if you've looked into mold. Have you had the genetic testing? Also, any methylation issues? These are such biggies for so many of us. And even if the bloodtests show "yes", it's so damn difficult to figure out how to fix our problems and start detoxing and feeling better.
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The problem in my case likely isn't Lyme as the "main" problem, which is what I hypothesized a year ago. My new LLMD and I believe that a parasite, probably the one Dr. Fry is seeing is what's happening with me.
See, if you treat for everything, but do so assuming Lyme, Babesia or Bartonella -- you're still missing a lot.
So we'll see what happens next. I want to say the Bionic obviously made an impact in my health, otherwise I wouldn't bother updating this thread.
Here is what it did for me: I stopped using Antibiotics for the first time after 8 years. The bionic was the only factor standing between my having the ability to do that. I stopped antibiotics, and then I never got worse. That can only mean a few things, and all of them mean borrelia is no longer a serious threat.
As I've said to people, I decided to go with the coil machine afterwards, and interesting enough I didn't respond too strongly to the very powerful 432 Frequency. I did have a herxheimer reaction but it was only the first few sessions. Then, shockingly, my health improved temporarily. So I moved onto another frequency, 790, which is now also improving symptoms.
Price to performance ratio still favors the coil machine in my opinion, however if you can get access to the Bionic, the results were fast. If the PE-1 works well, and has similar results, that's an option too.
Basically, there is much we can still do to get well, and our options are increasing with time. Eventually we will figure out what is keeping the vast majority of us sick, and we'll figure out how to get the vast majority of us well with a routine that is more consistent and safer.
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Thanks for bringing this back up. It was of special interest to me because my check for the PE1 is in the envelope waiting for the mailman.
I was told that the PE1 does not work as well on babesia although that should be easier to resolve when borellia and bart are taken care of. It sounds like many of your symptoms were babesia related.
When I started LDN, which also stimulates the immune system, I had a flare of bart symptoms (and my babesia went underground). I read that LDN causes hidden pathogens to emerge. You often get outbreaks of herpes, other virus' or candida.
So perhaps the Bionic was doing the same thing - bringing hidden pathogens out for the immune system to attack.. That would be rough as you have so many infections.
My bart also responded best to Bactrim DS. I had to quit the LDN for a few days to get back on the Bactrim. My bart symptoms are gone except for mild headaches.
I can only tolerate so much chemical bombardment before the side effects explode on me. I am surprised I have lasted this long this time. So I hope LDN and PE1 helps me get into remission and off drugs.
I agree there must be something else keeping you so sick for so long and hopefully your LLMD will figure out how to attack it. Your mind seems to be very clear - I do not know how some of you people keep such great mental function.
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MB.
Could it possibly be the Filarial Worm co-infection still keeping you sick. I believe you can be tested for this infection. There are 9 different species and different testing methods are involved.
You can google Filariasis and wikipedia gives good info on this. I bring this up again because these worms have been found by Willy Burgdorfer in the ticks he dissected and also Dr. Eva Sapi has found them in 4o% of the ticks she dissected.
I experienced seeing these worms appear after 6 mos of intense antiparasiic herbs and then salt/c.
I couldn't have been more shocked after treating with abx for 4 yrs and having been misdiagnosed after 30 yrs. Don't know how much antiparasitics you used (specifically those that go after G.I. parasites) I think it might be worth considering.
Gael
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