Keebler
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- So sad. There was no scheme. The way this is worded is criminal in and of itself. Sounds like he was found guilty of making up chronic lyme, itself.
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Sept. 18--A California man Friday pleaded guilty in federal court to scheming to sell medical equipment and drug treatments for a false epidemic of Lyme disease.
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A "a false epidemic of Lyme disease." ?!?!
The political undercurrents of this are huge, beyond huge. It should shake every person who needs - or will ever need - treatment for any tick-borne infection. The IDSA is very happy with this, very happy.
The dark field microscope in question is very impressive. Now, I'm not sure it's the end-all, be-all but it can do some things that other microscopes can't. It is one helpful tool, among many.
A medicine (bismuth as an IV) was too harsh for 2 patients and, yes, is it very sad that one person lost her life..
The truths in this are going down as fiction.
However, it's all because the drug use, bismuth, is such a harsh drug. Still, we need more answers. Not to say there is no disease.
My deep sympathies to the family who lost someone they loved but I hope this won't, in turn, cause more deaths because lyme is being painted as a mirage.
Chronic lyme is very real, indeed.
Here's an excellent article, with the one caveat that IV Bismuth can be fatal and it's not at all for everyone. That could also be said about lots of cancer treatments, though.
This is one of the most informative articles. There is so much to learn here. So much.
BIOCHEMISTRY OF LYME DISEASE: BORRELIA BURGDORFERI SPIROCHETE / CYST
by Prof. Robert W. Bradford and Henry W. Allen
EXCERPT:
. . . A discovery of great importance relating to a toxin produced by the causative agent of Lyme disease, Borrelia burgdorferi, has been linked to a similar toxin produced by the organism Clostridium botulinum (botulism). . . .
- Full article and great photos at link above. -----------------------------------
NOTE OF CAUTION: While this is an excellent article regarding the information about the spirochete/cyst, there is one serious caution with one of the treatments suggested: IV Bismuth.
Bismuth, in IV use, can have risks (it has been connected with one death). So, cross that off your list. If you download the article, please copy and paste this note to top your page.
Reading - and learning - about the nature of this infection is invaluable. Just keeping in mind that bismuth is no longer an option for IV use, still, this article contains superb information. -
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I'm not sure what to do with this guy. He was actually on our list.
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All this article is showing is how one man was able to take advantage of the fact that there needs to be so much more research about chronic lyme and co. This fraud does not mean that chronic lyme does not exist.
It makes me angry that that is exactly how the article is written though.
Why aren't there more articles about how many people get better, how many people's lives are literally saved, after treatment for chronic lyme?!!
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- There was no fraud. It's just been made to look like that to get yet another lyme researcher out of the picture. -
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Agree. He is not the first one and very similar to another. Both involved using a microscope.
That one case that died could have very well been any of us...
They don't like it if you don't give the middle man his lab money also...
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The article is credited to the Kansas City (MO) Star, which at one time was considered a crdible paper (within my adult life). I know because I was married to a journalist and we lived in KS, for two years.
Tutu, any comments on that part of it?
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Even Hitler was kinder than the IDSA/CDC at least he only chose to kill select groups. While they don't single out anyone. What they are doing is "Crime to Humanity."
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Oh, Pinelady, you know I love you! Would you consider rewording that last one? I believe it sounds different than how you meant it, so I'm not offended but others might be.
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Hitler killed persons who were disabled and other races as well. Please change your wording. Millions of people were tortured and killed.
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I edited the post since Pinelady hadn't gotten to it yet (and it was reported), I'm sure she would have.
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What is offensive? Comparing Hitler to the IDSA/CDC?
How many million do you think have been misdiagnosed with MS/ALS/Alzheimers/Autism, Chronic Fatigue/Gulf War Syndrome/ Fibromalagia/etc. etc. etc., that has been denied treatment since the discovery of Borrelia?
I say Trillions throughout the world, not just from us, from other countries who look to the US for scientific guidance and surveillance.
They too have been kept in the dark with their lies that they had a good handle on it.
The crimes they have committed in the ignoring of the scientific evidence, in all the gross failures to protect the public can only
-In My Mind --
be compared to the Worst Holocaust in Our History.
"The Holocaust was the systematic, bureaucratic, state-sponsored persecution and murder of approximately six million Jews by the Nazi regime".
1.4 Million took the vaccine that is suspected of causing disease. If those people had 2 children who now have it and giving birth to children who now have it--figure it up. Millions
Now take all those with MS, Alzheimers and Autism, etc. Figure the millions who could be treated but are being lied to.
You cannot put a number on them like Hitler did. They want no record of their transgressions that showed the conflicts of interest in protecting the few's profits.
And I am sorry you feel that way. But this is the way I feel. We must do something.
Our history in fighting greed -that can appear in many ways to destroy- should always be remembered, so we may learn from it and hopefully prevent.
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I come on this site for support. I must say. I feel like I was kicked in the gut this morning. I am very hurt.
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- Gatorade Girl,
I'm sure the post was not meant to be offensive to any particular group so please don't jump to that conclusion.
Many are unaware that numerous groups (and the ill and disabled) also met their end from his horror. But that has not been widely reported in history books or documentaries. It's been in the "fine print" so many just don't know that.
Pinelady has never typed a demeaning phrase. I am sure that it was an unfortunate turn of words and a statement that had two possible interpretations in the intent. I'm sure her intent was not to insult anyone. -
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Alzheimer's CEO: Disease as an epidemic, financial burden
A report out this morning calls Alzheimer's and other forms of dementia an epidemic and the financial burden is nothing short of crushing.
The costs associated will total well over $600 billion this year - one percent of the World's gross domestic product. By 2030, those costs are projected to increase by 85 percent. Harry Johns, President & CEO of the Alzheimer's Association, joined CNN's "American Morning" to discuss the implications of the report and the growing difficulties in dealing with this disease. ===================== Do you think the cost in treatment and LIVES could be altered by treating for Borrelia regardless of what the testing says? I say yes.
While this may not seem like such a decisive decision to those with MS/Alzheimers/etc.
The arguement could be made that the very people who profess us to not be sick with an infectious disease are going to force us to leave our children with the debt they have created by letting the SS rolls increase exponentially, by not allowing them to treat the afflictions.
THAT- they will understand.
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I am very happy with the explosion of research from all over the world in the last yr. from countries who too have wised up and looking for themselves.
Which corroborates the need with the amazing facts that can not be denied.
Take the incidence being reported in my state to be borrelia infected deer ticks to be at least 40.6 % positive. Now consider the fact they stored those ticks in 70% alcohol.
That means the incidence of 100% is not out of the question. Which for all intents and purposed could be put to case scenarios...
Supposed you stopped on the side of the road for a urgent need. Got in your car with the baby in the car seat and the ticks and nymphs you picked up on your shoes were now traveling with you and are seeking the infant you have sleeping in the back seat.
They may get a silly little rash the doc tells you is heat. And then 12 mths later they tell you that child is Autistic...Just another of the 1/100 being diagnosed today... We must change their way of thinking.
Here is but a few of the people we thought we could trust. Ironically just like the German people thought they could trust their leader...Lessons learned?
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Pinelady -
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As is this case by the newspaper. The FDA does not have to approve a new microscope.
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Yes, they my parents were also told those rashes were just "summer heat rashes"!!!
My parents basically told me to shut up and stop asking for so much attention!
Suffered all my life!
Is there any country in the world that treats Lyme properly? Without the politics and problems, etc?????
I happened to email a doctor from Germany about his contribution to the new "Liberation" treatment that was helping some MS patients.
I begged him to please try to help people with MS that actually had Lyme!!! I asked him if he had ever considered that as a possibility. He said he was only interested in a very specific condition pertaining MS.
I still begged him to help all of us.
I will be buying copies of "Under Our Skin" and sending them to libraries, government, teachers, famous people, etc. etc.
I am doing this whether I can afford it or not.
We need to get the word out.
I hadn't heard anything about Lyme until my ND told me about it last year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obviously our voice is not LOUD enough!
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The Mission of each True Knight is Duty.
Nay tis Privilege.
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Correct: the FDA per se was not responsible for this. It is a group of interests working behind the scenes who have hijacked national policy towards Lyme disease.
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I was just told that there will be some Lyme Advocacy groups there representing us.
I understand both sides. Those that choose to refrain for now and those that choose to represent.
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No one has a problem with the "mis-branded" drugs that harmed/killed these people?
"commit mail fraud and to introduce misbranded drugs into interstate commerce, federal prosecutors said."
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The bismuth drug that was used has a long history of use in another spirochetal disease, syphilis. All the major medical institutions used in the pre-antibiotic period, and it was thought to be useful. This is undoubtedly the reason why it was being tried in lyme.
Where they went wrong was using it IV. In the past, it was done oral or IM, I think, definitely not IV.
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" To manufacture these drugs, defendants C.R.B., INC. dba AMERICAN BIOLOGICS, ROBERT W. BRADFORD, BRIGITTE G. BYRD, and others, purchased several chemicals that were not certified or intended by their manufacturers for use in foods, drugs, or cosmetics for humans or animals."
"Defendants C.R.B., INC. dba AMERICAN BIOLOGICS, ROBERT W. BRADFORD, BRIGITTE G. BYRD, and others, manufactured various drugs with these chemicals, then shipped these drugs through interstate commerce to a pharmacy in Colorado Springs, Colorado, where the pharmacy dissolved the drugs into aqueous solutions, based on "protocols" or directions from American Biologics."
"Under the FDCA, a drug is misbranded if its labeling (1) is false or misleading in any particular; (2) does not bear adequate directions for use; and (3) is manufactured, prepared, propagated, and processed in an establishment not duly registered pursuant to Title 21, United States Code, Section 360. Title 21, United States Code, Sections 352(a), 352(f)(1), and 352(0). "
"The FDCA makes unlawful the introduction or delivery for introduction into interstate commerce, or the causing thereof, of any drug that is adulterated or misbranded. Title 21, United States Code, Section 331(a). "
72. The FDCA makes unlawful the receipt in interstate commerce, or the causing thereof, of any drug that is adulterated or misbranded, and the delivery or proffered delivery thereof for pay or otherwise. Title 21, United States Code, Section 331(c). "
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I am still very hurt by the words.....I saw them before they were edited. They read loud and clear. I read them to my daughter when she came home as they were a lesson about how some people don't even realize that the words they say have so much prejudice. We should never ever tslk about any group in such a way. We should never forget about all the lives lost in the holocaust. They were all innocent victims.
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Pinelady
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I am not prejudiced toward anyone.
And I was misinterpreted!!! Repeat--I was misinterpreted!!!
Right now I am fighting to get help to the people in SA.
The Millions that were slaughtered at the hands of Hitlers regime are now all Angels I call on to help us stop this injustice. If anyone knows what injustice is it is them.
I apologize if I may have misspoke... Many do not understand we have many injustices in this world right now.
Ours is but one. But we have many that are interconnected to US. So in effect we are all ONE. The sooner everyone realizes this the better we will all be.
"Even though security was tight in the location and the security guards were many, the soldiers of Islam took control of all security and kidnapped five French nuclear experts that work at the c...ompany Areva. And we claim responsibility for this blessed operation," he said, as reported by al-Jazeera. "And we would like to tell the French government that the mujahedeen will make their demands soon. We warn you against taking any unwise actions." Seven people linked to a French nuclear energy company were kidnapped in the West African nation of Niger last week.
If you would like advocacy groups I am working with to make them aware, or MS/ALZ./Autism,etc. groups I am trying to educate just let me know. We need all the help we can get!!! We now know why Wakefield was seeing Measles in the bowels of Autism patients. It hides its DNA in other organisms. Shame he got railroaded out of his own country to protect vaccine profits, before he had time to figure it all out.
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"The numbers are different, the crime is still the same."
--The Specials, "War Crimes"
And I don't even believe the numbers are different in this case.
30 years * 200,000 victims(the CDC's own estimate)/year = 6 million. Some believe over a billion. The experience of holocaust victims may have been more immediately horrific to them, but murder is murder no matter how you slice it. And we would do well to remember the role that American corporation--such as IBM, who produced Hitler's census machines--played in the Holocaust, as well as the Allied governments' steadfast refusal to admit Jewish refugees or bomb that tracks leading to the camps.
It's all of a piece, and it involves the same groups of people. We honor the fallen by acting to prevent history from repeating itself.
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Pinelady, you're awesome in my book!
Life is too short to take offense when offending was not intended.
Taking offense takes up too much energy that could be spent in positive ways.
I believe this now after I've spent way too much energy in negative ways (like being offended). Of course, it's helped me greatly to reduce the Bartonella load!
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