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I just started Zithro, but am thinking of adding Colodial Silver, Apple cinder vinigar, and just bought Cats claw 500mg cps. Can any one tell me how much of the three naturals to take?
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- What brand of silver?
I would not take vinegar in any form. It can backfire by feeding yeast infections. Vinegar can also spark a histamine reaction and put your body in overdrive. It may be good for others who are not ill with lyme but, in my opinion and my experience, vinegar causes some rough reactions.
You need to read for yourself from several good sources all about Cat's Claw first. Have you read Buhner's "Healing Lyme"? that's the best place to begin.
Is it regular cat's claw or TOA-free?
Usually, you would start with ONE, ONCE a day for at least a week.
Same with silver, take separately and do not start at the same time. Start with a very tiny amount, maybe TWO DROPS first, roll around your mouth and just let it absorb. See how that works for a few days.
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Buhner suggests regular cat's claw (not the TOA-free). However, if you got TOA-free, it has benefits. It's just not at all the same thing. ---------
A recent issue of Townsend Letter speaks to TOA-free. I think July of this year. Google will be your guide. -
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Just go easy with the silver so you don't turn smurf blue
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- Cat's claw may produce a bit of a herx. Silver certainly can. Liver support helps. Milk Thistle is the most common liver support supplement that helps manage a herx.
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"Herx 101" -------------
Lyme is caused by the gram-negative bacteria, BORRELIA b. - that is what is known as a SPIROCHETE, a cork-screw shaped bacteria that can sort of spring where ever it wants, not needed the blood stream for transport.
Spirochetes are particularly rough bacteria and they can take many forms to evade detection and resist treatment.
When spirochetes get irritated they emit toxins. To begin with, Borrelia b. is a very toxic infection. But irritate it and it spews forth even more toxic junk into our bodies.
So, our bodies are loaded with toxins and our liver and kidneys are overwhelmed. One reason why LIVER SUPPORT is vital to treatment.
To spirochetes, irritation to them can be nearly anything. It can be strong medicine, too much activity, too much heat, too much noise or light, etc.
That is why lyme patients feel so awful so much of the time. Even a little vibration will irritate spirochetes. Too much heat, too much movement.
Still the herxheimer reaction - from "chemical assault" (even if from a strong herb) - is very real.
The Herxheimer reaction (also known as Jarisch-Herxheimer or Herx) occurs when large quantities of toxins are released into the body as bacteria (typically Spirochetal bacteria) die, due to antibiotic treatment or rapid detoxification.
Typically the death of these bacteria and the associated release of endotoxins occurs faster than the body can remove the toxins via the natural detoxification process performed by the kidneys and liver.
It is manifested by fever, chills, headache, myalgia (muscle pain), and exacerbation of skin lesions.
Duration in syphilis is normally only a few hours but can be much longer, up to months or years, for other diseases, especially Lyme Disease. The intensity of the reaction reflects the intensity of inflammation present.
The Herxheimer reaction has shown an increase in inflammatory cytokines during the period of exacerbation, including tumor necrosis factor alpha, interleukin-6 and interleukin-8.[1][2]
The reaction is also seen in other diseases, such as borreliosis (Lyme disease[3][4] and tick-borne relapsing fever[5]), bartonellosis, brucellosis, typhoid fever, Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, and trichinellosis, Q fever, and cat scratch disease.[6][7]
Especially note herxheimer abtracts with Leptospirosis, another spirochetal infection. -
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