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I havent seen an LLMD as of yet, still trying to make a choice and raise enough money.
In the meantime, what are the most important supplements that I should be taking? Ive heard a lot of liver support, adrenal support etc. What about detoxifying? Is that even important if Im not doing Abx yet?
Im currently taking a high dosage of sublingual B12, Magnesium citrate (powder), glucosamine w msm, and a high potent multi vitamin.
Thanks again for any help
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nefferdun
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Buy Buhner's book and get the herbs he recommends. Andrographis, teasal root and cat's claw helps with lyme. There is a debate if cat's claw should be TOA free.
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What are those herbs used for? To kill the Lyme?
Ive heard about milk thistle for the liver, is this something i can take until I can get in to see the dr?
OR is it safer to wait and see the LLMD and see what he recommends?
I dont want to start messing with high potent stuff if Im not sure how im going to react/herx. I know Im wasting precious time bt would like to slow down any damage if i can
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- First rule to stop damage: treat infection
Second rule to stop damage: treat infection
Third rule: support the body while treating infection
Yes, you can take milk thistle now. It's best if you do, actually. Probiotics, too. But keep probiotics away from everything else.
I would save most of your money for a good LLMD. All the supplements in the world cannot take the place of expert guidance and treating the infection. However, I know very well that not everyone can afford treatment. So, we all do the best we can with what we have.
Just don't assume that all support supplements are going to address the infection. They won't. Some very specific supplements can help more than others, though.
Topic: How to find a LL ND (naturopathic doctor), acupuncturist, etc.
Includes how to find an ILADS-educated LL ND, an Acupuncturist, a doctor of Oriental Medicine (O.M.D.), or a doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine (D.Ay.), certified herbalists or nutritionists, etc.
Includes many articles and books on complementary / integrative methods - & RIFE links. -
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Keebler
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- You might want to reconsider the glucosamine until you can find out the difference in regular glucosamine and N-acetylglucosamine.
As glucosamine is a frequently suggested supplement for arthritis . . .
and (according to the authors below) N-acetylglucosamine is contraindicated with lyme, I'd want to know more about glucosamine in general regarding action around spirochetes. --------------
BIOCHEMISTRY OF LYME DISEASE: BORRELIA BURGDORFERI SPIROCHETE / CYST
Excerpt:
. . . A popular treatment for arthritis includes the administration of chondroitin sulfate and N-acetylglucosamine.
If the arthritis is Lyme-induced, N-acetylglucosamine is contraindicated. 22 (See Chart 14.) -
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#3 Is obviously one I would stay away from but what about #1 ?
This doesnt quite seem like the magnesium disagreement since this seems like it would be ok to take one glucosamine over another type...
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- Treating infection is far more important than treating symptoms. I never did well with any glucosomine or chondroitin. Others may but I had very bad reactions.
I suggest Olive Leaf Extract or Allicin to be at the top of your "meantime" list. Read all the protocols and articles at the ND thread to get an idea of the most important approaches.
Dr. Burrascano's treatment guidelines are there, too. Be sure to read that first for the template that all other paths should follow (even if they use different approaches, the theory is the same: first treat infection. Along with that, support the body. But support without addressing infection will not work). -
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-------------- An Olive Leaf formula (that contains Terminalia chebula):
My ND (naturopathic doctor) recommended MYROLEA B. Most naturopathic doctors and acupuncturists know about the Seven Forest formulas. As this is a combination formula, there are ingredients included to help the body with "clearing heat" and metabolizing toxins.
Myrolea-B (White Tiger) is a simple formulation of highly concentrated extracts from four Chinese herbs and one Western herb.
The Chinese herbs include forsythia and lonicera, two of the key ingredients of Ilex 15 (and the main antiviral ingredients of Yin Qiao Jie Du Pian), thus boosting the dosage of these essential ingredients.
Myrolea-B also contains the antiviral agents scute (huangqin) and terminalia (hezi). The Western herb in this formulation is olive leaf, which is one of the primary anti-viral herbs derived from the European tradition.
SHUANGHUANGLIAN: Potent Anti-Infection Combination of Lonicera, Forsythia, and Scute - by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D., Director, Institute for Traditional Medicine - 2003
Shuanghuanglian (SHL for short) is a modern formula that was devised in the 1960s to treat a variety of infections. It is comprised of the alcohol-water extracts of three herbs: lonicera (shuanghua, often called jinyinhua), scute (huangqin), and forsythia (lianqiao). . . .
. . . One of the early preparations of the SHL was a tablet made of equal proportions of the extracts of each herb. This was used to treat leptospirosis, a disorder caused by a spirochete bacteria, related to the organism that causes Lyme disease.
Leptospirosis causes initial symptoms of fever and chills, headache, and muscle ache (especially in the shoulders); these are consistent with "flu-like" symptoms described for the onset of many acute infections.
In a 1971 report, the formula was described as being made in 500 mg tablets derived from 3.7 grams of the crude herbs, and being administered in doses of 10-15 tablets (thus, equivalent to the extract of 37-55 grams of herbs) every 6 hours (1), a very high dosage.
. . . Recently, Shuanghuanglian has been applied successfully to treatment of Coxsackie B3,
. . . The general indications for SHL . . . are "relieving the exterior syndrome, clearing away heat and toxic material," and its indications are "treatment of fever, cough, and sore throat that arise from wind-heat syndrome."
It is said to have "a good action in treating upper respiratory tract infection, tonsillitis, laryngopharyngitis, pneumonia, acute enteritis, viral dysentery, etc., when caused by virus or bacterial infection."
- full article at link above.
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Detail from two of the most reputable sources of OLE:
Die-off effects -- Olive leaf use causes the death of microbes. The liver, kidneys, intestines and skin are therefore tested to their limits, to deal with, and remove them. This causes Herxheimers Reaction, which can have a variety of symptoms, but basically makes one feel ill or under the weather due to a treatment's effect upon the body.
Thus, "die-off," referred to in medicine as the "HERXHEIMER reaction," occurs when the olive leaf components kills large numbers of harmful germs rather quickly. Then, the patient's membranes absorb toxic products from these dead microorganisms. . . .
See details at link for:
* Safety Precautions and * Known Drug Interactions
SEAGATE Olive Leaf Extract - also see their menu for all their OLE products, including nasal spray, personal spray, etc.
Excerpt:
Side Effects:
Olive leaves have been used safely for thousands of years. The only known side-effect is the possibility of a HERXHEIMER reaction, an allergic response caused by the rapid die-off of fungi that release toxins which may temporarily cause a brief allergic reaction, lasting for several days.
. . . Are there any contraindications with Olive Leaf Extract?
No contraindications with other drugs have been observed.
** However, Olive Leaf Extract should not be taken with antibiotics produced from yeast / fungus or along with additional amino acids other than those received in your everyday foods. They might cross out each other's effectiveness. . . .
- Full article at link above. -
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well its strange that when I started taking a glucosamine complex, my myoclonic jerking got worse so maybe I was just feeding the little buggers.
Thanks for the info Keebler, got enough reading to keep me busy for the next day or so!
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