Topic: Rifing for Bartonella.. A few Questions.. I think I hit it good !!
lymetwister
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I havn't posted in a while on here. Trying to figure out which way to go and what to do.
IV Abx are just too harsh for me, so I took some time off and trying to address the adrenals and some hormone issues I found out about.
So, I'm back to Salt/C and Rife.
I Rifed yesterday for 1.5 min. on Freq. 832 for Bart as this seems to be my biggest issue symptom wise. I got into bed last night and I was so relaxed. I havn't felt this in months. My Anxiety is still a big issue.
So today, I woke up and anxiety was half of what it normally is. But within a few hours it was back and I have felt so sick all day. Malaise and Nauseated.
That bopping up and down in the head has been going strong all day. I was hit with a wave of fatigue that just came on out of nowhere, yet I couldn't sleep b/c the Anxiety was underneath.
Then came the chills. I'm just on 3gm of the Salt/C for 4 days now, but I really think this Herx is from the Rife session, which I would think is good as it means I'm hitting it despite feeling terrible.
So the question is: I have seen many posts where folks talk about Rife not being good for co-infections and hard to hit. But it appears I hit it. Maybe I'm answering my own question, but curious if anyone else had hit Bart with success with Rife. If so, was is 832 and what else ?
Thanks in advance,
Gary
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So glad to hear you had some luck! I can't offer any advice, but am curious what machine and method you are using to rife. Could you post some details? My friend has a very old rife machine that I tried using with her, but we never had results, possibly b/c of the machine or how we were using it. We were using the frequency listed above, though, which I found on YouTube
Thanks for any help, feel free to PM me if uncomfortable sharing in the forum.
Best,
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D Bergy
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832 does appear to knock it down, quite a bit. My wife's swollen ankles, which she had for over five years only went down for good using that very Bart frequency.
The bad news is it does not get rid of it for good. I have not been able to permanently get rid of it. maybe it takes some real frequent treatment to do it, but i have not been able to eliminate it completely yet.
I am now using Char Boehms Bartonella Henselae DNA frequencies in an attempt to get rid of it permanently. They are working much like 832 Hz, but I am not sure yet if they are going to be able to eliminate it.
Time will tell.
Dan
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832 and its higher harmonics worked real well for a short time for me then I might as well have been playing music to the bart to make it reproduce.
Just starting the DNA freqs as well for general bartonella, twice a day and targetting lower and upper body seperately on highest amp setting. Very noticeable reaction so far with stronger gains than 832 by far, in a shorter time.
Been off antibiotics for 1.5 months, I could never do this with by Bartonella situation before rife.
It works, but how to finish it off is going to take some creativity. Just started up DMSA 25mg in conjunction, I feel that the 15 fillings I had over the years gave the bartonella a stronger foothold.
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CD57
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832 never did much for me at all for bart. 357 was better. I'm using the DNA frex also, multiplied up to higher frex that my GB4000 will do at one time....I have two autochannels created for both.
432 is a kicker but I think that is Lyme. Toppers what machine are you using?
I still can't figure out if bart has a "herx", just like with the meds I took for it. Some made me herx and some didn't. These bart frex don't seem to make me herx, just feel better. In theory bart doesnt have a herx because it doesnt release the toxins right?
Now 432 is a different story!
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Bart replicates very quickly. If you can handle it, you should rife twice a day (morning/night) for bart. Babs is a fast replicator as well, so if you can handle it, then rife once a day for it.
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D Bergy
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Babesia is one pathogen that we did eliminate using the DNA frequencies, going by symptom elimination. I have no lab tests to back up any of this.
It did not take very long, and it never has come back since we used these frequencies.
Bart and Lyme are proving to be far more difficult.
Dan
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quote:Originally posted by CD57: Toppers what machine are you using?
GB-4000 with amp but work mine different. I ditched the hoaky pad system and run my contacts directly in individual tubs of water, about 2". Don't want to speak too soon but from what I've experienced this might be the ultimate delivery system for a contact machine.
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D Bergy
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Does anyone know if Bart has more than one form?
Is it pleomorphic?
There must be some reason why Lyme and Bart are so resistant to total elimination. We know Lyme comes in a few different forms, and that may account for its durability to all forms of treatment.
I think another element is that these both are stealth infections. I do not think we get much help from the immune system in the elimination process. Ultimately, it may be that to get rid of infections of this nature, totally, we have to some how get the bodies immune system to recognize the invader, to finish it off. It is hard to beat the immune system at its own game.
It seems there are multiple ways to kill a lot of it, but some always survives. It seems that the surviving bacteria has no obstacles in its way to reproduction.
Just my thoughts based on observation of these infections, and there ability to survive various treatments.
Dan
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I've been told that Bart herxes take a day to show up.
My experience is that I feel some very subtle immediate sensations, but the major herx occurs somewhere around 24 hrs after the treatment. Then it takes another 24 hrs for it to clear, so I've been rifing every other day.
With each session, I've been able to increase the time without the herxes getting more severe, so I don't think that the Bart is reproducing at a higher rate than that at which I'm killing it.
Some Doug coil users have reporting getting rid of Bart completely by getting to the point where they can coil for 5 min on the abdomen, then 2 min each on the feet, calves, thighs, each hip, each shoulder, and head without a herx. Then this tx is continued for a month after the herxes are gone.
Perhaps the power and penetration of the coil versus other machines is what makes the difference.
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D Bergy
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I hope someone here does cure it. I think my wife only has Lyme and Bart left. If I can get rid of the Bart, maybe the Lyme will be easier to get rid of. If not, it certainly is better to have one infection, than two.
It is hard to treat as often as I should, given our schedules. I think Bart does take an aggressive program to have a chance of elimination.
I am not getting any sign of a Herx from the Bart treatment any longer, but she still can feel the frequencies while treating. They give her pain in various places, but always in the feet.
Dan
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lymetwister
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Using EMEM5a Phil.
Dan, what are the DNA frequencies ? Can I plug them in to my generator ? What are you thoughts on die off with Bart. Should it generate a Herx ? Are there toxins involved ?
thx,
Gary
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quote:Originally posted by CD57: 832 never did much for me at all for bart. 357 was better. I'm using the DNA frex also, multiplied up to higher frex that my GB4000 will do at one time....I have two autochannels created for both.
432 is a kicker but I think that is Lyme. Toppers what machine are you using?
I still can't figure out if bart has a "herx", just like with the meds I took for it. Some made me herx and some didn't. These bart frex don't seem to make me herx, just feel better. In theory bart doesnt have a herx because it doesnt release the toxins right?
Now 432 is a different story!
I don't herx from The Bart freq. but I do feel better afterward.
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quote:Originally posted by Toppers:
quote:Originally posted by CD57: Toppers what machine are you using?
GB-4000 with amp but work mine different. I ditched the hoaky pad system and run my contacts directly in individual tubs of water, about 2". Don't want to speak too soon but from what I've experienced this might be the ultimate delivery system for a contact machine.
Which amp are you using Topper?
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lymetwister you should join us on our rife thread. We post about subjects like this everyday. I just posted recently about what bart freq. I was currently getting the best die off from.
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lymie_in_md
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Thinking out of the box, you can hit an organism with one frequency but some of the organisms persists:
> the organism found shielding in the body > frequencies varies between the same organisms (the ability to adapt -- might explain this rationale by having multiple frequencies the organism might survive certain harmonic changes in nature) > you have frequency that is close but there is a better frequency > there are two organisms combining to create similar symptoms like brucella with bartonella
For ease of testing you might try a brucella frequency 748, 643 or both. Why brucella, I found out it is far more prevalent then folks are aware. The worse that can happen is nothing, but worth a shot.
Shielding or doesn't hit all spots. Imagine the body in 3d, think of how the frequencies must pass to enable every area of the body to experience the effects of the frequency. Delivery of the frequencies might need improving. And is bone and connective tissue creating voids or shielding for the organism. Do EM faraday cages exist within areas of the body.
Another question: you could be killing all the organisms but the DNA persists to continue making new organisms. Getting rid of the DNA is a different frequency. I wonder if using a combination of rife and LED might not work. The foreign DNA might persist inside cells and continue to replicate. The LED is know to force appoptosis expelling foreing DNA.
A better frequency is nothing more then hard work, but I wonder if there is some intelligence to why 832 works with bart and whether variant of that number might work. Like 832*2, or some much more complicated calculation.
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D Bergy
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Hello Gary,
I do not know if you would classify Bart die off as a true Herx, by definition, but there certainly can be a negative reaction.
I cannot say for sure which symptoms were due to Bart Die off, and which were from Lyme die off. I started using the MOPA around this time so I was hitting everything harder and she had some bad reactions in the beginning.
She was struggling with bouts of weakness, dizziness, and electricity like feeling in the legs. Numbness on one side of the face, that comes and goes. The same place the Bell's Palsy started up at. She couldn't stand very long without becoming so weak she felt like she was going to fall.
Some of these sound like Lyme, but I was also hitting the Bart hard. I had too many variables happening to discern what caused what. The weakness was not something that ever occurred in any previous Lyme treatment. Or the electricity feeling in the legs.
All of this went away in a couple of weeks, but it was scary at the time. Since her Bart treatments started, her blood pressure has lowered considerably. It could be due to another factor, but I do not know what that would be.
The DNA frequencies are calculated by Char Boehm. She has a patented method of calculating frequencies based on the genetic sequencing of the given pathogen. They are designed to affect the DNA or RNA of the pathogen. They are experimental of course.
She charges a small fee for her frequencies, to support her research. They are not to be publicly disclosed. As far as I am concerned, she has done more to advance Lyme treatment than most anyone else. She deserves what little she gets selling these frequencies.
I had good luck with her frequencies for Babesia. I could not permanently get rid of it prior to using her frequencies.
I have not had cure yet using the Lyme frequencies, but they do affect it in some way.
I have just recently started using her Bart frequencies, and it really caused a strong reaction at first. I still have not totally removed this infection either, but I have not treated for it this way, for very long.
It is another option, and I am testing them to see if they can cure Bart and Lyme. Not sure yet.
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