Kara Tyson
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No one promised anyone (Christian or otherwise) a rose garden. Life is life. The good and the bad. Attitude is 1/2 the battle and attitude is a choice.
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Thanks to you for the welcome and information.
I'm guessing my question wasn't too clear. I saw the articles about religion here and started thinking about it all. Many Christians believe that they are the only ones to go to Heaven. And that everyone else will burn in hell. That others are sinners. So... my question then is why do those who are Christian still have bad diseases like Lyme happen to them. Its almost like a living hell. This is why I don't believe this religin stuff anymore even though I was brought up believeing it. Even if I practiced it and prayed, I still got sick even though I was a good Christian. So I can't understand it exactly. Have I not prayed enough???? Am I not good enough???
Is that a better question now??? I didn't mean Jesus himself gave people this disease.
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I believe...
that if you stop thinking about why you got it... and just deal with it the best way you can find... you will find along the way...
you are much more, then what you ever thought you were. I believe, that some will know, why they got it.
You will find, you become...
someone only an illness can create... but you will only become this marvelous person if you continue to think positive, which is not always easy.
I fall, into the depths of sadness/madness from this illness, but then I pray and pray, and I get back up again.
Watch how you change... from an illness, and watch how much one can grow in the heart, the mind and the spirit.
I knew from the day I got sick, that is was meant to happen... but I never dreamed, that it would get this bad. I mean, I never dreamed that I would sit on deaths door months on end. In agony like I was.
If you are in touch with God or whoever you pray to or possibly just the lovely universe, I KNOW, that their are signs sent to us, for me there are, signs that lead me along the way of this incredibly scary journey. Signs, that have saved my life... and the more I believe, the more I am guided.
This is what has KEPT me sane... I was raised Catholic, but left this religion later in life, then when I got ill, I just started to pray, cause I did not know what else to do to help me, nothing else was... so I just prayed in the bush... to the universe... screaming into the big blue sky, why did this happen to me?? what is meant by this? I got an answer, oh, did I ever. I got a vision, and this is something that made me believe that there is something far greater then I. It was a profound experience.
All of these posts on religion are ridiculous and belong in off topic at best - so though i should have SOB'd (scrolled on by) this one, I couldn't help but to answer.
I applaud anyone who has such incredible faith and religion though don't think it belongs on a lymenet support general or medical board in this fashion (obviously i'm in the minority).
Would it not make more sense to spend time researching the disease or to take time to get well. Or to spend time with children who are sick than to sit here and argue about religion - (i am being a hypocrite at 4:40 in the morning).
Anyway, I am sure there will be back lash I don't care.
dontlikeliver
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Hi Aaronkatie,
I DO agree with you - it's definitely an off-topic subject, not to do with Lyme Disease.
DLL
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I am responding here as a non-religious spiritual person. Although I'm not participating in the Christian prayer circle, I do think it can belong here in the general support section. Although it might not be directly related to Lyme disease, it is related to the process of finding peace and getting better. Prayer, meditation, etc. can be very helpful in getting better and accepting that one is sick.
I haven't read the posts over on the prayer circle thread so I dont totally know what it's all about but I caught the general gist of it from the post over in Medical a few days ago. I don't think we should use our energy arguing, just let everyone believe what they want to believe as far as religion goes. It's my opinion that as long as no one is forcing or pressuring to to change your beliefs, let them be.
Just my two cents.
--Annie
------------------ ``The best way out is always through.'' -Robert Frost
TheCrimeOfLyme
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I agree, I do not think these posts belong here, and I also assumed that because FedByTicks came in with this post as the first post, that yes, maybe it was sarcastic.
I believe that quite a few people ( me included) have contacted the moderators and have yet to hear anything back from any of them.
I think all demoninations could answer your question differently, Fed, if you are sincere. I am a seventh day adventist. I dont think that that matters one lick what denomination I am- Im just pointing out all have different relationships with God on their own level.
I never argue , ever, and never have, about denomination. What you believe is what you believe. I wont argue anything different. I might giggle, I might turn a deaf ear.
But, some just cant do that, and for that reason, I believe this is why subjects like these are avoided here on lymenet.
In *MY* belief, and hey, anyone can disagree but you wont illicite any type of response out of me differently, its not god who comes to steal, kill and destroy.
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COL,
What you said is basically the reason I posted what I did - that a topic like religion may get all out of control and cause arguments. They *usually* do, I've seen it time and time again. (not here though).
DLL
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I am glad to see your response. You are welcome. I took you seriously and thought you were asking a spiritual question...
BUT knowing how spiritual questions and debates can go I opted to answer you in a more tangible way...
By referring you to some factual info on the origins of Lyme and hopefully helping you to see that...
humans do some powerfully destructive things to humans that maybe you would find it helpful.
Did you get Lyme because you were not strong enough, good enough, pray enough or pray all the right words... ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!
As many different answers as you have received here they are all in one way or the other an appropriate answer...
Because everyone who answered answered from their perspective...
AND no one can debate that...everyone has their own beliefs...
arg82 or Annie gave you some very legitimate input... no person is an island... we are all in this together and we all benefit from love, peace, harmony, the things that help us to heal. Prayer, meditations, intentions all of these things help us to connect to the energy that gives us hope, peace, courage etc.
I personally think General Support IS the place to ask this question... because these are part of our support system...
AND we ALL need support...not the stress of argument...
Every group can have their own spot we don't have to agree...
mcpucho posted right after you did and offered "Nihilism Based Prayer". Some may not agree with it, but mupucho has the right to believe that and post that...
For those who don't agree they don't have to comment just scroll on by...
Again, hang around. I think you will find love, acceptance, support and hopefully the info you need to BEAT LYME!!!
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Hope everyone who is not religious is not going to be considered a troll.
I get irritated when religious people seem to be shoving their beliefs down other peoples throats, and it makes me cranky. But I am trying to see that they have a right to consider religion to be supportive, and therefore entitled to post on the support forum. Will try not to get aggravated when I see them. Clinching my jaw, trying to be fair.
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I'm not Annettsky. I'm actually her husband She showed me your message and I wanted to respond. There are alot of Christians who are not going to be in Heaven. Heaven is not full of "good people". Heaven is full of sinners who have been redeemed, not by their own good works,but by the blood of Jesus. I also know that bad things happen to all people. Job was blameless in the sight of God and look at all the calamities that happened to him. I myself have had tragedy in my life though I feel I haven't deserved it. There are a couple of good things I've learned about God in the last few years:
1. God is good 2God is in control even when everything seems to be spinning out of control. 3. God will use every situation (good or bad) to bring glory to himself. That means something good is going to happen whether you can see it or not. 4.God is so infinite and we are so finite we can'tsee the whole plan but all things work for the glory of God. "My ways are not your ways and my thoughts are not your thoughts" (that's in the Psalms, I'm just not sure exactly where at this time)
I guess that's all for now. Hope this has been of some help. If so, I hope I can help you some more. If not, I'm sorry I couldn't help but I tried. Either way, I'll pray for you. thanks
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Kara Tyson
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Lou,
I dont consider everyone not religous as a troll. But these statements are not anything but trolling for raves. I doubt there is anything here but just a problem from the regular sci.med.lyme group.
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I think these are fake postings. Period.
And I have nothing against people who are not relgious. In fact, I have had more bad experiances with people with fish bumper stickers than any other and I stay away from "religious" men. Men who are agnostics have treated me better than any man I could meet at church.
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With all due respect to religious/faithbased beliefs in God, Buddha, Allah, the universe and more..and the supportive nature of faith, and respect in the belief in no faith..
It does seem this poster has started the thread in a "trollish" manner.
Mo
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Hey, don't you guys know the real answer? Bb is short for Beelzebub.
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Mo/kara, that was what my first post was trying to say, though then I saw everyone else giving the benefit of doubt.
quote:Originally posted by once bitten: Hey, don't you guys know the real answer? Bb is short for Beelzebub.
Good one!
A good book on this topic is "Blessings and Curses" by Derek Prince. There's another by Derek Prince that I haven't located yet that I want to read. It's called "They Shall Expel Demons" or something like that.
The first book was very interesting reading and something I wasn't familiar with.
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And sometimes things happen to you that may seem horrible, painful, and unfair at first, but in reflection, you find that without overcoming the obstacles you would have never realized your potential, strength, willpower, or heart. Everything happens for a reason.
Nothing happens by chance or by means of good luck.
Illness, injury, love, lost moments of true greatness, and sheer stupidity all occur to test the limits of your soul. Without these small tests, whatever they may be, life would be like a smoothly paved, straight, flat road to nowhere. It would be safe and comfortable, but dull and the utter downfalls you experience, help to create who you are and who you become.
Even the bad experiences can be learned from. In fact, they are probably the most poignant and important ones.
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You are right about one thing, this is a living hell. But Jesus didn't give it to us. Yes, it has been allowed and at times I struggle with that question too.
But I trust in Someone much bigger than me and much bigger than lyme. I have no doubt that we will prevail. Who better to fight this fight and bring relief to the world over than Christians?
My only strength comes from God. This would've killed me a long time ago. Hoping through this that all my friends and families realize how blessed I am to have the strength of God and church family. Someone believes in me!
And as for only Christians going to heaven, whether we believe it or not doesn't make it so or not so. Time will tell. But with the information available to me, I am going to live with God now so it will be no big change for me when I get to heaven.
Just won't have this carnal body of disease weighing me down! Cathy
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Fed by Ticks,The answer is so easy. When adam and eve ate the apple,THEY GOT KICKED OUT,of the garden,were there were (no ticks or lyme).All of their cheldren were now tainted and not allowed back in the garden. All live with ticks,good, bad ,evil, and saved people all live outside the garden now.The only difference is (were you go after you die). MADDOG
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First of all, plese know that you are loved by God more than anyone will ever love you in this earthly place.
Jesus didn't question why he had to make the ultimate sacrifice of the brutal death of crucifixtion so that mankind could have a relationship with their creator. He "suffered", died a painful,demeaning death from a heart of love.
I think there are some beautiful replies that have been written from people's hearts in response to the question first asked, and if you read them with an open mind, a heart seeking to learn, you will come away with a greater sense of the hope that only a supernatural God can sullply.
You will find only a limited finite source if you look to other people, or nature, or intellect, or riches or even "perfect health".
The forgiving hand of GOD through his Son, Jesus is the only hand to hold onto when we think there is no hope....He will prove you wrong.
God tells us that , "In this world you will have tribulations, yet, be of good cheer becasuse I have overcome this world and all it's sorrows."
Meaning that this earthly place is merely a temporary dwelling place! I believe it with all my heart that it is the will of God to heal all our diseases. Its not that he can't, yet because God's wisdom is so far greater than what we can comprehend, he may well use illness in our life to teach us truths we may never have considered had we remained in perfect health.
The most critically important lessons I think in life are the ones that cause us to cry out to the GOD of this Universe for the answers to our pain & suffering. This is where we most often meet God! I know that I want to be participating in the heavenly dimension to come, where there will be no more suffering or pain. ''Look homeward angels"
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