They are two of the worst, most biased Steere camp articles to be published in recent years, authored by the idiotic Sunil Sood, the vicious child-abuser-in-a-white-coat Feder, etc.

Basically they are both on the same theme - ie that our good Lyme websites and ILADS are sources of "inaccurate information" that is confusing patients and hampering doctors' efforts to treat Lyme. These are contrasted with the supposedly "accurate" info of the ALDF, IDSA Lyme committee guidelines, and yours-truly, the CDC, among pillars and puppets of the Steere camp.

The offensive material is up on the CDC website at the following URL:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/lyme/bibliography.htm

By giving such prominence and tacit endorsement to these articles (already aggressively promoted and one even mass-distributed by the global news agency Reuters), the CDC is basically laughing at Congress, sneering at the Lyme patient population in the US and internationally.

In 2001 , Public Law 107-116 instructed the CDC to correct the misuse of its surveillance criteria for diagnosis, which, as the bill underlined, is causing massive suffering. The CDC has never done more than the smallest of token moves towards fulfilling this requirement, and have now told Congress, basically, to go to hell, by endorsing these two incredibly biased articles.

The Public Law stated:

"The Committee recommends that the CDC strongly support the re-examination and broadening of the Lyme disease surveillance case definition by the Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists. Voluntary and patient groups should have input into this process ...
The CDC is encouraged to include a broad range of scientific viewpoints in the process of planning and executing their efforts.

This means including community-based clinicians with extensive experience in treating these patients, voluntary agencies who have advocacy in their mission, and patient advocates in planning committees, meetings, and outreach efforts.."

The CDC is a quasi-military organisation, which considers itself above Congress and not subject to any democratic process. It trains the Epidemic Intelligence Service, (EIS) a small, tightly-coordinated, elite group of military epidemiologists and ID experts who are then sent out to occupy key positions in the medical and political infrastructure, the media etc.

Allen Steere and many other leading Steere camp personnel are members of the EIS or work closely with them. EIS doctors are expected to place military goals above the Hippocratic oath and the ancient commitment to "DO NO HARM" to patients.

CDC directors are recruited from the EIS, which was founded in the McCarthyite era as an elite unit involved in offensive biowarfare (legal in those days).

Not much has changed. Biowarfare scientists do not consult congress when they make decisions, they do not consult the populations of their countries. Citing "national security", they take advantage of public fear over deliberate release of infectious pathogens, and assume an autocratic command.

There is ample evidence to demonstrate that Lyme and associated tick-borne diseases are a **militarily sensitive** issue. A recent speech given by the UK delegation to an international conference on bioterrorism preparedness, in which it was revealed that the UK's top biowarfare facility studies and monitors Lyme and other TBD's, despite the Government's denial that there was any Lyme research going on, is an excellent example.

There is a political and military coverup on Lyme disease in the US and NATO countries, coupled with the successful manoeuvrings of the insurance, vaccine and related corporations, that has resulted in Lyme patients across the world being denied correct diagnosis and treatment, with mass suffering as a result.

That is why simply "raising awareness" is not enough, and that is why raising our own funds for good, unbiased research is not enough.

We need a political campaign to expose, using reliable and credible sources of evidence, the nature of this coverup. Without this, every small step of progress we make is met with a kick in the teeth from the EIS - dominated public health infrastructure that knocks us SEVERAL steps back, as this new elephant-manure splatted over the CDC's website, in flagrant denial of Congress, demonstrates.

Lisa

it's time something was done about this jerk. Is randall terry available? that's a joke but you catch my drift.

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I wonder if the CDC heads of it directors etc are even aware of the damage there doing?

And if they are there is deffinate colusion and some heads need to role . Who is incharge of the director of the CDC???

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The fact that some people like Steere have been training in this program doesn't make the program bad.

I think a political campaign on this kind of basis would make us look like the crazy ones! Not the CDC. The public is a lot more likely to believe that the medical bureaucracy can get things wrong and have some worthless, harmful people in important jobs. Trying to sell them on the idea of the CDC as a Dr. Strangelove kind of place is a loser. Wish you would use your considerable brainpower to understand that everyone in a government agency is not worthless scum even if some are.

BTW, I sure wish they would dump the lyme managers at CDC. But you saw that when Congress censored them for misusing funds appropriated for chronic fatigue, no heads rolled. Think some of the same folks were involved as with lyme. The director of CDC left after that, but the scum stayed on.

BTW2, on behalf of the elephants of the world, I protest the suggested association with CDC misinformation.

And that is the problem with beauaucracies. When it happens at the EPA it is good--when it happens at CDC it is bad...

Linda

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Originally posted by Aligondo Bruce:
oh yeah...they know what they are doing. I'm not sure if the problem is so much the cdc director as the bacterial zoonoses guy DAVID DENNIS who is a major b**tard and the heart and soul of the CDC's war on lyme patients.

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Why do you say (DAVID DENNIS) is the culprit I havent been keeping up on it.

Who sets these protocols and only rely on steere's old biass ed opinions???

Note that it is a pdf file, so you have to download adobe acrobat to read it.

Another name of a CDC bad actor is Dr. Steven Ostroff. In 1997, he told two IL state legislators that "Lyme is a yuppie disease that only rich suburbanites get." Some epidemiologist he is.

If named in the specific, they should have such defendants publish a redaction, and apology(written-up by ILADS,et.al. themselves) on their websites, and all other media in which they are so identified as being named in the specific.

pq

Say Lou, would you be interested in my 24-page, star-spangled, full-colour catalogue of bridges in Brooklyn?

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to ridicule you. Just trying to make a point. The EIS was set up by the very same men who founded the Cold War bioweapons programme.

The programme, at that time, was OPENLY and avowedly OFFENSIVE. That's not speculation, simply a matter of historical fact.

The US had not yet signed any international treaties, and in the hysteria of the McCarthyite era, people were willing to overlook the more unpleasant aspects of this work - potential for millions of civilians to die an agonising death, potential for blow-back into own population of horrific epidemics etc etc.

The CDC describe the foundation of the EIS as follows:

"The EIS was established in 1951 following the start of the Korean War as an early warning system against biological warfare and man-made epidemics."

Well, they're not going to say, in 2005, that it was founded to engage in BOTH defense and offensive biowarfare, are they? It doesn't go well with the rest of the section, which paints EIS officers as selfless heroes, ignoring danger as they plunge themselves into the most hazardous regions of the planet, in order to save a third World community, or prevent a spread to North America.

But it's pure common sense that men who are publicly acknowledged to be involved in both offensive and defensive work on bioweapons, did not shelve the offensive stuff because the package insert says "nice peaceful disease detection work".

The Japanese Unit 731 monsters in WW2, who vivisected live prisoners and calmly, detachedly recorded the physiological readings as they died a slow horrific death, did not call themselves "The Japanese Offensive Biowarfare Brigade". They called themselves the "Water Purification Unit".

The Nazi biowar effort (later, like the 731 monsters, brought to the US to strengthen the Cold War biowar program) called their work "Cancer Research".

Lou, the question IMO, is not whether people are going to perceive us as crazy. Polly Murray was perceived as crazy at first too. Today even the filthy Steere camp are forced to acknowledge her role.

The question is, are the things we are saying true, and if so, can we prove them, and what are their implications?

Two ex-Governors, as I've said before, would not have risked their reputations if they thought Michael Carroll's Plum Island book was "craziness".

Now it's true there are crazy conspiracy theorists out there pushing all kinds of nonsense mingled with stuff about Lyme and biowar. But the things I have said, as far as possible, are verifiable by solid sources in the public domain.

Let's imagine you were right, Lou, and Lyme had nothing to do with biowarfare, and was of no interest to the military. So let's say the EIS were sent in in the 70's simply because it's their job to investigate any suspicious infectious disease outbreak.

Hence Allen Steere, EIS officer and extremely inexperienced rheumatologist, is sent to investigate Lyme "arthritis".

So let's imagine that Steere and the CDC and the NIH with all their biowarfare people (McSweegan, John LaMontagne, Phil Baker etc)have a good sniff round and GENUINELY believe that this is an "easy to cure, hard to catch" disease, confined to a very small percent of the landmass of the US, totally absent from the UK and several other countries, and frankly, NOTHING to be concerned about.

So why the hell don't they bow out then, and pass it over to non-military docs?

Why, instead, maintain tight control over the whole of Lyme science and policy for the next thirty years?

Why go to such lengths to persecute any doctor who has an opposing view?

Why develop portable Lyme pcr kits so that units can analyse infected soldiers in the field and transmit the information instantly to base, for such a "hard-to catch, easy to cure" trivial little disease?

Why manufacture helmets with digital displays in the visor, linked by satellite to a database such that a soldier can be given real-time, up to the minute information about the rate of Lyme infection in ticks in whatever patch of God's earth he happens to be standing in at the moment.

Not that the ordinary soldiers have been given this technology. But it has been developed. Why develop it, for such a trivial, little puff and sneeze of a disease, that blows away with 3 weeks doxy?

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Originally posted by lou:
I still do not agree with you, Lisa, on the conclusions you are drawing. Yes, the CDC is doing a horrible job with lyme, but I have seen no evidence that the EIS is a nefarious creation. The man that started this lived down the street from my family when I was growing up. I went to school with his daughter. ...........]

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Sorry Lou, who are you referring to?

I hope you don't think I was trying to pull you down, talking about selling you a bridge etc. I wasn't, honestly. I'm simply saying that none of us can afford to be naive. Of course the CDC will say the EIS is all about prevention and protecting the health of the nation. What do you expect them to say?

The government said for decades that Plum Island was a civilian facility. Now it's become clear that this was a bunch of BS, and Plum itself eventually dropped the pretense, hired the leading biowarfare expert Huxsoll as its chief, and applied officially for Biosafety Level 4 status.

I'm not saying everything revolves around Plum island. Plum Island is one piece in a larger picture. But i do believe that the **disproportionate and sustained** involvement of the military in Lyme science, when they themselves are telling us it's a trivial, limited and easily cured disease, is contradictory - absurd. It is in itself an indictment.

And it's not crazy to question what the hell they are still doing there, if we're all just hypochondriacs or suffering mass hysteria over a "hard-to-catch, easy -to-cure" disease.

Lou, I'll give way to you on one point. The elephants. You're right, I had no business to associate clean honest elephant crap with the kind of filth in those articles on the CDC website. I was wrong, and I apologise!

See? I can recognise when you're right and I'm wrong.

I don't pretend to have the inside scoop on biowarfare, but it is pretty clear that a relative handful of sick people are not going to stop some huge plot, if it is one.

Furthermore, true or not, it will not help us with the general public or politically.

Why not work on problems we have one in a million chance of solving, rather than one in a million to the 16th power?

No one appreciates just how much damage can be caused by the combination of ignorance and arrogance. More powerful than an H bomb. Instead people go looking for plots, when it is something more common and more destructive.

I don't accept it, and will not lay down and die.

What you're saying is like telling people trapped in a burning building, with no escape route, that they ought to concentrate on tidying up the room because that's a smaller problem that's much easier to solve.

"Ignorance plus arrogance" is a problem for us, yes; but it pales into insignificance compared with a government-backed 30-year deliberate cover-up.

We have to solve the big problem because we have no goddammed choice.

Is it impossible for a small group of weakened, smoke-inhaling, terrified people to put out a big fire? No, if they put their heads together and work out how to send the alarm in time, or get the sprinkler system going.

There are allies out there for us too. If it's a biowarfare issue, there will be thousands - hundreds of thousands - of people out there who will be concerned and are our potential allies, I guarantee you. At the moment they are being told that Lyme is a minor risk and an easily cured illness (where they are told anything at all about it). They see no reason to doubt the CDC, NIH etc. Surely these folks would not lie?

What will they think when they discover that these folks had a motive to lie, did lie, continued to lie for decades and are still lying right now? And that their local area, their workplace, their leisure spot, their garden , their **home** is potentially the source of a disabling disease?

I am talking about healthy people, not Lymies. People do not want their environment and their children's environment contaminated with incapacitating microbes, and the whole thing glossed over with phony vaccines and spin.

They will want the truth, and answers.

Lisa

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Originally posted by lou:

Why not work on problems we have one in a million chance of solving, rather than one in a million to the 16th power?

No one appreciates just how much damage can be caused by the combination of ignorance and arrogance. More powerful than an H bomb. Instead people go looking for plots, when it is something more common and more destructive.

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I went to the CDC websight and read the LIES !!

Wow did these CDC people ever attack us here on the Lymenet,they said all the lyme information on this websight is wrong.

They so boldly lied about lyme there that they have to have (an evil agenda).

I have to find a way to punish them . As their lies are so intence and will cause countless people to suffer years of agony and death.

I have expirenced lyme it cannot be stoped with 21 days of treatment. I have had months of allmost every antibiotic known and still have active lyme.

When we try to do things as individuals they pulverise us - Kathleen Dickson (children removed, thrown in jail on trumped up charges, forcibly drugged) is case in point.

Lisa

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Originally posted by MADDOG:
Well I wrote a previous reply and it was snufed out when I sent it.

I went to the CDC websight and read the LIES !!

Wow did these CDC people ever attack us here on the Lymenet,they said all the lyme information on this websight is wrong.

They so boldly lied about lyme there that they have to have (an evil agenda).

I have to find a way to punish them . As their lies are so intence and will cause countless people to suffer years of agony and death.

I have expirenced lyme it cannot be stoped with 21 days of treatment. I have had months of allmost every antibiotic known and still have active lyme.

MADDOG

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From: Pat Smith, [email protected]

Writer's Block of the Worst Kind: An Open Book on Lyme
Internationally Acclaimed Authors Share Stage with Acclaimed Medical
Authorities www.LymeLiterati.org to get tickets

For the first time, four nationally acclaimed authors and an
executive editor are sharing the stage with two prominent medical
authorities on Lyme for a firsthand account of the disease and its
impact on peoples' lives and livelihoods. Thursday, May 19, 2005, 7-
10PM, the Lyme Disease Association (LDA) will host Literati with
Lyme, a fundraising event at New York University, entitled "Writer's
Block of the Worst Kind." The event is featuring Literati who have
all had Lyme disease: Amy Tan (The Joy Luck Club and movie); Meg
Cabot (The Princess Diaries series and movies); E Jean Carroll
(advice columnist for Elle Magazine); Jordan Fisher Smith (Nature
Noir: A Park Ranger's Patrol in the Sierra); and Jennifer Weis
(executive editor St. Martin's Press) and is supported by Rebecca
Wells (movie and book The Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood).

Columbia University Medical Center's (CUMC) and NY State Psychiatric
Institute's Brain Fallon, MD, and International Lyme & Associated
Diseases Society (ILADS) Director Joseph Burrascano, MD, will
participate in the "in conversation" event as the Literati tell the
story of how Lyme affects their lives and impacts on their cognitive
ability, giving a voice to thousands of Lyme disease victims who
suffer in silence. The doctors will discuss the physiological causes
of the authors' often frustrating and sometimes alarming experiences
with Lyme. Public question and answer period will follow. Books
by participating authors will be on sale at the event with proceeds
to LDA.

To purchase tickets ($20) or get information for the May 19 event,
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Literati with Lyme is the brain child of authors Jordan Fisher Smith
and Amy Tan, and national Lyme Disease Association President Pat
Smith. It is an effort by nationally-known authors, publishers,
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threat and to raise research funds for a cure. Literati with Lyme
is supported by Columbia University Medical Center, Houghton
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Donations to LDA's Literati with Lyme are tax-deductible and will go
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A limited number of tickets are still available for a private
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See Literati website for registration details.

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Meg Cabot Meg Cabot #1 New York Times best selling author whose
works include The Princess Diaries series, which were made into two
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E Jean Carroll Internationally known Elle Magazine advice columnist
(Ask E Jean); author whose works include Hunter, Mr. Right, Right
Now; Emmy nominated writer for Saturday Night Live; and co-founder
of www.Greatboyfriends.com http://www.ejeanlive.com

Jordan Fisher Smith Author whose new book, Nature Noir: A Park
Ranger's Patrol in the Sierra, sold out its first printing in a
month, includes a chapter on his own Lyme disease http://www.naturenoir.com

Amy Tan NY Times bestselling author, Internationally acclaimed, Joy
Luck Club (made into a movie), Kitchen God's Wife, Hundred Secret
Senses, Bonesetter's Daughter, and Opposite of Fate, which contains
a chapter on her own Lyme disease http://www.AmyTan.net

Rebecca Wells #1 Bestselling author whose works include Divine
Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood (made into a movie), Little Altars
Everywhere, and, most recently, Ya-Yas in Bloom, which became an
instant bestseller. While discussing the creation of her latest
novel, Ms. Wells has spoken candidly about her experiences with
Lyme, http://www.ya-ya.com

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Lyme Disease Association, Inc.
PO Box 1438
Jackson, NJ 08527
888-366-6611 information line
732 938-7215 fax www.LymeDiseaseAssociation.org

***

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in other words, I'm right there with you maddog.

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Originally posted by MADDOG:
Well I wrote a previous reply and it was snufed out when I sent it.

I went to the CDC websight and read the LIES !!

Wow did these CDC people ever attack us here on the Lymenet,they said all the lyme information on this websight is wrong.

They so boldly lied about lyme there that they have to have (an evil agenda).

I have to find a way to punish them . As their lies are so intence and will cause countless people to suffer years of agony and death.

I have expirenced lyme it cannot be stoped with 21 days of treatment. I have had months of allmost every antibiotic known and still have active lyme.

MADDOG

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Originally posted by janet thomas:
Hi fellow lymies- Although I tend to believe and agree with much of the above we cannot butt heads with the federal government, the most powerful organization in the world.
Perhaps a better direction is public awareness. ...

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Hello Janet,

I don't think that people should see it as having to "choose" between raising awareness and fighting the government over Lyme. I see these things as complementary. In fact, I feel that neither approach can be successful without the other.

Of course the work done in the past and being done now by the existing Lyme movement, such as the event you mentioned, is vital. However, without "butting heads with the government", as you put it, the Steere camp, making full use of their powerful government and industry backing, can so easily set back all the progress we make, whether in raising public awareness, raising funds for breakthroughs in research etc.

They simply use their muscle to blanket the public with Steere propaganda discrediting our good information, and launch smear campaigns and dirty efforts to pull down our good doctors, the moment their research threatens to tilt the balance in our favour.

The hateful article by Feder, now up on the CDC website, is an excellent example. I'm going to paste in Feder's noxious table here, so anyone with high blood pressure or serious Lyme cardiopathy please look away now:

"TABLE 1. Summary of Lyme Disease Information Given by 19 Websites
Tick
Bites
LD
Diagnosis Serology Other
Tests
Chronic
LD Treatment Pregnancy Breast-feeding www.acponline.org A A A A A A A -- www.aldf.com A A A A A A -- -- www.cdc.gov A A A A -- A -- -- www.fda.gov A -- A A -- A -- -- www.healingwell.com A A A A -- A -- -- www.hopkins-arthritis.com A A A A A A -- -- www.igenex.com I I I I I I -- I www.ilads.org -- I I -- I I -- I www.intelihealth.com A A A A A A A -- www.kidshealth.org A A A -- A A A -- www.lyme.org I A A I I I I I www.lymealliance.org A I I I I I A -- www.lymedisease.org I A I I I A I -- www.lymediseaseassociation.org I I I I I I I I www.lymediseaseinformation.com A -- -- -- -- A -- -- www.lymeinfo.net -- -- I A I -- -- I www.lymenet.org -- I I -- I I I I www.lymesite.com I I I -- I -- I I www.webmd.com A A A A A A -- --
LD indicates Lyme disease; A, accurate; I, inaccurate; --, not discussed or found."

You can see what they have done. With a very few exceptions, they have trashed nearly all the most well-known good Lyme websites.

They have rated the Lyme Disease Association as "inaccurate" in every single parameter; they accuse ILADS of providing either inaccurate or no information on every parameter, and so on, while the ALDF, CDC and other websites parroting the Steere camp line are given star ratings.

So, now, let's say a patient attends the literati event on Lyme you mentioned, learns a number of interesting facts, perhaps takes away a leaflet or goes home and downloads educational material from the LDA website. Armed with these new facts, he then visits his doc the next day. His doc simply pulls out a printed copy of Feder's table, and says "Look, you shouldn't have anything to do with the Lyme Disease Association, Ilads etc - look at their rating on this table, which comes from the CDC website!"

This is why I believe we have to expose the governmental role in this coverup, and the shameful role CDC, NIH, IDSA etc have played.
Without that, they truly can push us back twenty steps for every one step we go forward.

Greetings Friends,

Upon reading these two new articles, I became concerned, so I consulted the fortune-teller with the male goat about these.

She said the one article was a hircine decree elicited by a squeeze on "left hand side," and the other by a squeeze on the "right hand side."

I thereupon left the good fortune teller's store front with the family jewels intact.

Damn them!!

I found this site by sheer luck, good fortune, a miracle, whatever....

So many sites to choose from on the Internet but providence led me here after reading Amy Tan's book about her Lyme symptoms.

Within the month I was diagnosed with Lyme, Mycoplasma and Epstein-Barr.

I wish to God there was a way to rebut this outside of reverting to my old grandpa's way of 'I got a shotgun and a shovel'!

This site has been my lifeline for many months now with a wealth of valuable information.

Damn them!!

Hey, one thought that occurred to me was picketing the CDC. Why would people picket the CDC if their info was correct??

What do you all think??

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Originally posted by aklnwlf:

Hey, one thought that occurred to me was picketing the CDC. Why would people picket the CDC if their info was correct??

What do you all think??

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I think it's a damn good idea.

Especially if planned well in advance to get maximum participation. If I could get the money together, I'd fly over myself from England.

Will Captain Mead come out in his shiny uniform to promise (as he did at the Ct hearing in Jan 04) that the CDC is doing everything in its power to correct the misuse of its surveilance criteria?

While behind his back he clutches a copy of the CDC's recent statement, basically invalidating any lab that uses anything but the sh*tty surveillance criteria.

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Originally posted by MI51951?:
Lymerayja could you possibly contact me off site?

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My email is [email protected]

I hope you're not from the thing that your nickname sounds like (MI5)? If so, do I have time to make a will first?

I hereby bequeath all my problems to Allen Steere!

Lisa