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olympia
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Hi everyone!I've never posted in a forum before-really a newbie,so I hope I've done this all correctly-But I'm not new to lyme disease-My knee swelled up in Jan.-Doxy tabs didn't work- By March the leg was so bad I was in a wheelchair and I.V. rocephin-In physical therapy now to learn to walk again-I can relate to all of you who have been through so much-I've been really scared-next is a lumbar puncture-I've had possible neurological lyme symptoms for many years.Has anyone had one and can tell me about it?My best wishes to all of you-Olympia

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Olympia,

WELCOME!

If no one answers any time soon, then post over on the medical side.

I am so glad you are here! There are a lot of great people with wonderful insights and understanding of this complex illness.

Linda


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Hi Olympia,

Welcome

I've never had a lumbar puncture test, I have heard that it can still be difficult to find evidence of Lyme bacteria even with a lumbar puncture.

You're in the right place, for sure. A lot of us have had Lyme for many, many years and have neuro problems because of it.

Glad you found us!

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Olympia,

Lumber puncture...go to medical area and search screen by screen using the numbers at the bottom 2-65. Someone has recently posted about this subject.

Welcome to this 24/7 educational & support group board!

Here's TREEPATROL's and TINCUP'S combination newbie links.
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/029917.html

Print off the links then check them off as you read as you could spend several months reading all of this.
print & read Dr. Barrascono's info first; you will come back to this often.
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Some guidelines from Betty/others on using this message board:

* Do NOT use all caps when posting; it's hard on our eyes. But I know one of our members has macular degeneration, and all caps is what she can see & read so exceptions like this are acceptable for good reasons.

* We chronic, late-stage lymies can NOT read long paragraphs. So please limit your paragraphs to 6-8 lines max of text and double space between paragraphs.

* You can EDIT your text comments anytime. You can NOT edit your subject line so please make it as specific as possible instead of ``help, question'' etc. in order to have more readers/replies in trying to assist you. There are between 30-40 NEW/replies to post daily so we can't read all the posts on our limited time here...thanks for understanding.

* If you use the ``quote'' icon, please DELETE [B] bold at the beginning & ending of the quote. This makes it easier on our eyes.

* To just reply without quoting, go to the top or bottom of screen in the black & white area to reply or post a new topic. Many of us couldn't see it when we 1st started posting. Thank you for helping us all out!

Bettyg


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Heres ya go

Newbies List 07/01/05

WELCOME To LYMENET


How to Post what where explanations
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Here's more goodys! A typical response to newcomers.

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Lyme Disease symptoms 2005
Lyme Symptoms 2005
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Seeking a Doctor. Ps remember I am not a Dr, just a fellow sufferer.
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Lyme State Info Cheryl's
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LYME DISEASE TREATMENT & DIAGNOSIS
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Lyme Disease Misdiagnosed As ...
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Art Doherty Lots a Links


Conflicts in Lyme

How to Search Courtesy of Danq
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TC 50 Questions

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Lida Mattman

DISEASE INFO - COINFECTIONS

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Links for family members

Lyme Disease Audio Network
Dr B's Treatment Guidelines

Dr. Joseph J. Burrascano's Treatment Guidelines
CDC Website on Lyme Disease
International Lyme and Associated Disease Society
Lyme Symptoms
Lyme Disease Symptoms PDF

Lyme Disease Symptoms
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Co-IinfectionsThanx M

Rose's 15 Facts for Newcomers
Making the Most of Your LLMD Visit
Camp A and Camp B, The Lyme Disease Contoversy
2nd Version Camp A Camp B


MP Controversy
MP 2
MP 3
MP 4

Why You Can't Trust Medical Journals Anymore
Something to share with friends and family members But You LOOK Good!

Labs
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Western Blot Info

FDA It is important that clinicians understand the limitations of these tests

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Explanation of Western Blot Bands
Igenex Labs on the Western Blot
Melissa Kaplan's Lyme Website Explains Western Blot
Dr. C Explains Western Blot
( No you don't always see a bite and if there's no bullseye the only way your going to be able to tell is (symptoms) and (((Maybe))) WB or lyme dot blot 3 day urine banged with abx's to free your antigens up for the test.
- = Not Present
+ = Low
++ = Medium
+++ = High
+/- = Equivocal = Indeterminate its there but not as intense as low) )

See this ( . )thats the size of the larva stage tick...
Next nymph size... ( * )
Next is adult ( o ) to ( 0 )
Pretty small????? HUH

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Blood Brain Barrier

ABX `s Cross Blood Brain Barrier
Blood Tests Meanings

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Transmission Art Doherty

Sexually Transmitted ???
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Video On Demand: Blood Supply May Be Source Of Lyme Disease Infections

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Personally [just my personal preference] I would never have a spinal tap unless my life was in immediate danger.

A spinal tap is only 20% accurate for Lyme testing. Do you know why your dr wants to do one????

Most LLMD's will not use them unless something is not adding up neurologically.

Ask questions before submitting to this!

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Hi Olympia, and welcome!

So sorry about your knee... Sounds horrid!

More history is in order, in order to understand. :-)

Are you current treating for Lyme, or a past treater?

The lumbar puncture is "do-able" but deciding to do it depends on what the point of it is! Some non-LLMD docs really don't realize how futile it is to try and find Lyme in CSF fluid (tho luckily many on our board HAVE!).

However, maybe in your case they want to rule out other neuro issues?

Anyway, MORE about you...? Tell ALL!!!

and WELCOME!

Michelle M


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quote:
Originally posted by olympia:

Hi everyone!I've never posted in a forum before-really a newbie,so I hope I've done this all correctly-But I'm not new to lyme disease-My knee swelled up in Jan.-Doxy tabs didn't work- By March the leg was so bad I was in a wheelchair and I.V. rocephin-In physical therapy now to learn to walk again-I can relate to all of you who have been through so much-I've been really scared-next is a lumbar puncture-I've had possible neurological lyme symptoms for many years.Has anyone had one and can tell me about it?My best wishes to all of you-Olympia

I had a lumbar puncture 5 yrs. ago.
Unfortunately, the last part of my test got lost!

I wouldn't go for another one after I read that rarely you'll find lyme in the spinal fluid.

It did not hurt. Just felt pressure!
The neuro. did it at the hospital.

He had me sit up, and lean on one of those hospital talbes, with my head laying on my
arms.

This duck is the one that lost the test!
He runs an m.s. clinic.

I have neuro. symptoms also. Have had problems for years. I feel great right now, and tired from weeding and mulching!

If you need any other questions answered, don't hesitate to write.

If you do have the test. Make sure they give you something to drink, and have you lie down for at least 30 min. before going home!

Some people experience headaches, but I didn't!

Again, if you have anymore questions please let me know.
I need to go take a shower, I worked up a sweat! Take care, lymeloco


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the lumbar puncture is not a pleasant experience. they give you lidocaine aroung the site and use a catheter to get the spinal fluid. should be done in a hosptial of surgical facility with xrays available.
they can do a pcr on lyme which if positive is positive for lyme because it is a dna test. the problem is there has to be active lyme in your spinal fluid and its not a disease like hepatitis where the cells are in great quantity, so if the sample has cells it will be positive.
the reason they do lumbar punctures in neuro patients is to rule out multiple sclerosis. this does show up in the spinal fluid and treatment different.i don't know if there is another test to rule out ms and the symptoms are almost identical


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quote:
Originally posted by Kara Tyson:
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Kara,,,,did you just sneeze??

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Yes, please tell us your history-

Are you on abx (antibiotics) now? What, exactly.


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Lymetoo,

I tried to use my Greek letters, but LymeNet had no idea what I was saying.

It said..Welcome.

I might have also sneezed!

[This message has been edited by Kara Tyson (edited 02 July 2005).]


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Olympia...where are you??


Kara....

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Welcome! The lumbar puncture is pretty unreliable. That being said, my advice is to be as still as possible while they're drawing spinal fluid.

I didn't find the procedure itself to be painful but you may get a horrible headache afterward. Be sure to follow the doc's instructions closely after the procedure to try and forego the headache.

So sorry you had to find new friends here, but WELCOME!


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Dear New friends-
I hope you don't mind the late reply to this message-
finaly catching on.

Thanks so much for your kindness_I'm so happy to have found you all-people I can relate to

I'm also a bit slow on the uptake sometimes-"brain fog" you know- anyway as they say-"It's Greek to me"In this case you.
I forget sometimes that Olympia is usually seen as a Greek name-My grandmother,Olympia was actually born in 1900 in the Austrian controlled
portion of the Ukraine.

Her father's name was Dimietrius-Also Ukranian-The humor went over my head.Or a bit South if you will(in Europe that is)-appreciated but oops I missed it.

I have had a curiosity though about heredity and how it might play a part in immune systeme response to antibiotic treatment of lyme disease, so the information sent was also appreciated and not too far "north" over my head (ha ha) Although maybe too far west in heredity-

Would enjoy more info. on the subject.My dr. has discussed the possibility of another round of I.V. treatments for 9 weeks and I'm a bit apprenhensive about it.If there is actual proof that certain geneic profiles resist antibiotic treatment-ooops

Maybe at this point as a newbie to all of this I'm just unsure of alot of things-

Thanks for "listening to me babble on
Olympia


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