treepatrol
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I have a Question have any Animals been frightened scared too death of you that wore previosly not??? cats dogs etc??
I hadnt seen a friend of mine for a while and stopped by, as I approached there house in the daylight with them setting on the porch there dog whimpered and cried and pissed all over the place.
Which to say the least was wierd since this dog loved to play with me for years I just dont get it its like it saw something around me that scared it badly.
Any answers??
At this time I felt like there was something harassing me I also was sweating at this time easily and feeling the lyme crawlies.
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As you know, dogs have a keen sense of smell. Dogs in my obedience school used to "tell" me their owner was pregnant before they knew.
When I told them or asked them if they were expecting, they thought I was crazy. Sure enough, a week later at the next class or a phone call,they'd tell me the news.
A woman immediately produces a new hormone when she conceives which the dog's can smell. Some dogs react agressively, some react fearfully. That's how I could tell...the change in the dog's behavior to the woman.
Maybe your body, at that time, was emitting a strange "odor" to the dog. Sometimes high adreneline, or the feeling crappy could have confused the dog senses. Just didn't recognize your smell or the particular smell your body emmitted.
I know you wish you could tell for sure.
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Well, they say animals can detect impending hurricanes, earthquakes, tsunamis. Don't know if this is true. Maybe the dog in question can detect lyme patients. Give that dog a stethoscope and white jacket, set him up in an office, charge $300 for ten minutes. This would be better than the ones we went to prior to diagnosis, who didn't figure it out.
Of course, if you say the dog liked you at an earlier time when you also had lyme, another fine idea down the drain.
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treepatrol
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quote:Originally posted by dmc: As you know, dogs have a keen sense of smell.
I know you wish you could tell for sure.
But I was 30 to 40 feet away outside the closer I got hte worse the dog got it finally laid down on its back and peed all over itself whimpering.
This happened just as I stepped out of my truck. Dang strange. It feared me badly which coming from a dog that loved me was strange also some of my friends kids seem to shy away from me made me feel pretty damn strange considering Iam outgoing and usually bothered,or insisted on playing playing playing and playing by both pets and children all the time?
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quote:Originally posted by lou: Maybe the dog in question can detect lyme patients. Give that dog a stethoscope and white jacket, set him up in an office, charge $300 for ten minutes. This would be better than the ones we went to prior to diagnosis, who didn't figure it out.
Tree....Couldn't the dog have been overwhelmed with excitement since he hadn't seen you for awhile? I'm serious.
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quote:Originally posted by Lymetoo:
Tree....Couldn't the dog have been overwhelmed with excitement since he hadn't seen you for awhile? I'm serious. [/QB]
No tutu it was scared and i meen scared
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Tree, I question whether the dog has neuro-encehphalitis from lyme.
I had a pound pooch years ago, and he was full of ticks when we got him. Strange behavior, but nobody looked into lyme disease back then.
He was a very neurotic dog. His startle response to his own or others people stomach's growling was unbelievable! He'd jump a freaking mile!
He also p---ed on himself while in his crate. I'd have to get up in the middle of the night and clean him and the cage. It was tough, because I had three small kids back then.
We decided to let him sleep with us, but he practicly sat on my head.
As time went on, he did have a few seizures after the vet gave him some antianxiey meds.. Then the lameness on one leg a few years later, and we ended up having him put to sleep.
I look back now, and see that the dog's behavior wasn't from being with odd previous owners who may have been abusive, but I wonder if it was lyme. Course I'll never know!
My son joked when he wrote me about the fact that I walk around my couch for thirty minutes for exercise. Getting like Bubba, are ya? Bubba did the same thing, but not for exercise.
It could possibly be like others have said. Dogs are very in tuned to pretty much all of our emotions, and also when your sick.
Or maybe he was so happy to see you, he did pee! One good thing...you weren't holding him! Plus you made me laugh! Thanks
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It is strange for sure but I havnt had any response like that. My wild terrier has mellowed and actually cuddles now which is strange behavior for her.
Its hard to know why the dog acted so strange but you have no way of knowing what has happened in the dogs life that could have caused this behavior.
It could be something as strange as another car the same as yours went by and the people in it did something that terrified the dog.
It may not have anything directly to do with you. I wouldnt spend too much time worring about it. That certainly not good for your general well being.
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Nope It got worse as I approached it I got within a foot and the poor thing was livid shivering shaking and peeing whining whimpering Just with me no one else as I walked away from it it calmed down some then I spoke whats a matter and moved closer and it started al over again. I made my buddy take it in the house his wife said what in the h*ll's wrong with boo, dogs name. When my buddy came out he said it never did that with anyone even people that liked teasing it. We all kinda shook our heads strange...
I know I felt like something evil was around me for quite awhile after this happened.
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You said that you felt like something was harrassing you. What exactly did that feel like? Did it feel like some weird energy?
This may sound strange, but you may have an energetic attachment of sorts. There more common that you think. The dog would definitely pick up on that.
My dog can always tell if I'm injured or there is something wrong. She will fixate on the injured area and smell it a lot. They have actually trained dogs to detect diseases like cancer.
But back to your situation, I would say it's not anything physical so much as energetic that the dog was picking up on. Have you noticed the feeling before?
I know I'm going way out on a limb here, but I work with energies a lot and have noticed that since I got Lyme the neagtive energies seem to have an easier time attaching to me and bugging me. They are fairly easy to get rid of though, especially once they are recognized.
Cheers,
Alison
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quote:Originally posted by AlisonP: You said that you felt like something was harrassing you. What exactly did that feel like? Did it feel like some weird energy?
Alison
Yes and it still does it but not like that month. I would sweat profusely and get highly irritated quickly felt like something crawling all over me all the time. I also felt like there was a big big shadow around me. I just wanted out!
I never told anyone about this except the part about sweating and feeling crawly. Except I told my wife which I didnt go into to many details because I didnt want to scare her but she knew something was up.
Iam a christian and I know about the otherside ie evil but never in my life did I feel like this.
I actually felt like I was being persecuted ,I told my LLMd about the sweats and crawly feelings and he said the lyme and Iam heavy so pretty well insulated so sweating more.
I didnt tell him anything about the feelings or incedents that had been happening I didnt want anyone thinking I was in lala land or crazy or daffy ducked.!!!
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Your feelings sound like psych issues from lyme. I had some obsessive compulsive tendencies which surfaced with lyme, never had them before. You have read enough on this forum about psych issues of other people, don't you think maybe that was the problem (yours, I mean, not the dogs) with the big shadow?
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You've gotten some really good thoughts. I'm pretty much in agreement with everyone who talked about dogs being overly sensitive. Also, Lou talked about all this wacky neuro lyme stuff...and I definitely think that's probably a factor.
I was just in FL and saw my brother's dog again. Sam is a great, gentle wonderful guy -- a little loopy and very dear. Anyway, he and I have always been big chums, but this visit, he came up, sniffed my hand then raced away into a corner under the bay window. My brother said that was weird, because it's apparently Sam's "safe place."
Like you, Tree, this made me feel weird. Little by little he got more at-ease with me, but the first thing he showed was fear.
By the end of the afternoon, Sam and I were both on the floor playing.
My own dog seems to know I'm sicker now than I've ever been. He really acts entirely differently around me than he did. Today, he was so excited, though, because I actually took him to the dog park for 45 minutes. Snow is one of his favorite things, and he loves to romp -- but even more, he loves to romp when I'm around.
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The energy thing sounds plausable. I think it was Edward Cassey (sp?) who talked a lot about that. I know I experienced this twice but it was me who detected it.
I met a woman once, who made me very uncomfortable to be around. I cannot tell you why or for what reason, I just felt uncomfortable and couldnt wait to get away from her.
Several weeks later I was in a health food store and all of a sudden had that "hairs on the back of my neck" feeling and turned around and there she was several feet away. I never saw her again & I never felt this again with another being.
This was before I had lyme disease so that played no part in it. It was just a strange negative energy she gave off even tho she was a perfectly nice woman.
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Tree, I don't normally answer a lot of posts, but you sound very concerned with this, and because I'm an animal person, I can relate to your feelings about this----that said, the first thing that jumped out at me was your describing that you were sweaty.
I think that dogs in particular have such a keen sense of smell (and of course it's been documented so all over the place) that this dog may have picked up your scent, even from that far away when getting out of your truck? Maybe the wind was blowing behind you and moved your scent to the dog even quicker than you could imagine? And it goes along with your description of how the dog reacted even more the closer you got.
That is the theory I would support-the feeling of extreme uneasiness/agitation from whatever scent you may have been putting off when you got closer and closer to this dog.
And, just to throw this in- I am now almost completely unable to be around smells and scents myself, candles, perfumes, dryer sheets, etc. The effect I feel when I get around these artifical scents is agitation, almost extreme, enough so that it makes me want to flee! Like, I mean immediately turn around and get away from the smell.
That would be what you may have seen in this dog-whatever he/she smelled on you (body chemical from your sweat/scent) made him want to get away, and when he could/couldn't do that, pee'd himself, because that is an extreme stress response (felt it myself, but never actually peed my pants).
Also, I notice I get this anxiety/agitation/flight response when I walk down the laundry detergent/cleaning chemical aisle at the grocery store. It's enough to make me want to run out of the store screaming. It's that bad, and even though I've notice it can get better, it's always there.
So, maybe this poor animal felt that when he smelled you? I wouldnt' take offense if this was it, but understand that maybe the dog couldn't help himself.
Julie
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FYI, Negative energies can be cleared with smudging. Do a search on smudge sticks. Old old Indian tradition of smudging negative energies away. You can smudge yourself, home, car etc.
Pam
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I want to thank all of you on your thoughts about this. Theres some truth in everything that all of you have said. Thanks Just wish I could have nailed this down.
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Tree, I know that bummed you out but it is an interesting story. I'm such an animal lover and totally believe that they sense and communicate in ways we don't fully understand yet.
In my former life, I was a massage therapist/nurse. One of the first things they taught us is how to keep yourself safe from negative emotional energy. I'm not talking possessed here just folks that were coming to you sick, sad, angry, etc. which were most clients.
Map mentioned smudging which we often did in the office and using the intention to clear the energy. We used regular rubbed sage when smudge sticks weren't available. Also, just visualizing yourself clean, like an emotional shower so to speak helps clear whatever lingering emotional energy that is around you.
I know it sounds out there but when you work closely with people, a practitioner can pick up negative stuff from them. Visualization is a strong tool. To me, its a lot like prayer.
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Chronic, thank you. I was so afraid to mention smudging for fear that someone would think I was a nut case. I'm not, by the way. Some people consider these things voodoo. Indians are very spiritual people and if it was good enough for them, then why shouldn't I try something to help drive away negatives.
Part of healing for me is spiritual. Illnesses or relapses can be caused by physical, emotional/mental or spiritual traumas to our bodies.
I use white sage smudge sticks to clear my house, car and me. I have a pray I say while smudging.
Take care, Pam
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Hey Tree, Were you around ANY other animals prior 2 seeing the Doggie?
When Tiffany comes back from the groomer, Zack doesn't recognize her scent & hisses, growls (he's my 15-year-old Baby Kitty-Cat) & misbehaves for a day!
I liked ALL the responses, though! That's a tough one!
~Reno
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Chronic and Pam, I'm also a big fan of smudging. Periodically, I go through the house with a smudge stick, especially with this illness.
Andie
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