Anyone else just freaked out by today's OPRAH show on the bird flu?
I currently feel too sickly to spend a lot of energy being freaked out by my potential future death...but I am EXTREMELY CONCERNED for all 'my people'.
Any smart medical people have theories on how to survive an impending pandemic? And PLEASE keep it simple for those of us with simple minds.
Thank you.
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Simple solution-- dont sleep with your chickens.
I saw a tv blurp(Turkey I think) where they were chasing the chickens in the house cause the weather was bad. THEIR house where they lived everyday. cant imagine sharing a household with a flock of chickens (They havent invented potty trained chickens YET!!)
Other Asian cultures are same way, they PLAY with their chickens just like we would play with our kids or dogs or something!!
Then before this is a real threat it HAS to mutant to human to human form. Lots of what ifs!! Now to get the rest of the world to kick their chicks outside
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You ain't taking my semi-hysteria seriously, are you?
Granted, I'll give you that sleeping with your chickens is a comical concept...
...BUT what I learned from watching OPRAH is that in the 1918 pandemic, somehow the virus mutated and skipped from animal-to-animal transmission to human-to-human transmission. At least that's what I understood them to say.
I recorded the episode so I can watch it over & over & get semi-hysterial as many times as necessary.
OK - anyone else feeling semi-hysterical? You know, other than me & Just Don ???
((Now calm down, lil Donny, it'll be OK. Just love on your chicken....
...geez, I crack myself up when I'm semi-hysterial.))
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Don't get hysterical over bird flu. First of all it is not air borne like the common flu, so unless it does a major mutation, it is not likely to become a pandemic.
Secondly, it has only been found in countries that sell live chickens on the street markets. There have only been one or two cases that may have been direct human to human contact rather than from chickens and this isn't proven, yet. There are cases of cat to cat transmission.
Thirdly, there is a vaccine for the bird flu. Our government hasn't stockpiled it, since the likelihood of a pandemic is slim.
Let's just pray it doesn't happen. I am going to focus on getting well from Lyme and not stressed from avian flu. Hiker (biology teacher)
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Exactly what vaccine is that? Tamiflu? The one that they are spending billions of our tax dollars to stockpile has not been proven to do a thing against the bird flu.
And guess who was the chairman of the company that created it and still owns a great deal of stock? ........... Rumsfeld. Sounds like another Halliburton deal to me.
quote:Originally posted by hiker53: Don't get hysterical over bird flu. First of all it is not air borne like the common flu, so unless it does a major mutation, it is not likely to become a pandemic.
Secondly, it has only been found in countries that sell live chickens on the street markets. There have only been one or two cases that may have been direct human to human contact rather than from chickens and this isn't proven, yet. There are cases of cat to cat transmission.
Thirdly, there is a vaccine for the bird flu. Our government hasn't stockpiled it, since the likelihood of a pandemic is slim.
Let's just pray it doesn't happen. I am going to focus on getting well from Lyme and not stressed from avian flu. Hiker (biology teacher)
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Yes, I'm freaked. Actually I had already stocked up on canned food, but have used it so need to do a big shop again soon.
The good news as I understand it , for us anyway, is that with our compromised immune systems we are not at as much risk as healthier people!
The bird flu causes the immune system to kick into overdrive. It is my understanding is that if our immun systems worked well we would have beaten lyme by now.
I was extremely interested in how services will be disrubted if a pandemic happens.
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So far, only people who have been in direct contact with sick and dead chickens have contracted bird flu. There have been no human-to-human transmission.
So, unless you handle chickens (in the far east and Turkey so far), then you're not at risk.
Hopefully, it won't mutate, and there is not guarantee that it ever will.
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Never trust government and media hypes on issues involving medicine and science and massive threats to our welfare.. Clearly, they are not qualified to be making such determinations.
(especially ones involving mega bucks for big pharma)
Us Lyme-brains should know that by now
(West Nile, SARS, Anthrax... and where the heck are those killer bees anyway?? Yet they ignore clear and present debilitating illnesses and dangers)
I'm disappointed in Oprah. (I don't watch her shows, but if she scared the audience..she didn't investigate this past the hype)
I think it's something to study for yourself (or look for writings of INDEPENDANT micro-bilogists, ect) if you are concerned, but I do not think we need to buy into the fear hype.
Our best bet is to take care of our bodies, clean them out and keep them clean..and support our immune systems..because it is true we are facing increased vulnerability due to polutants (!!) and many drugs ..as well as many various potential mutations of bacetia, ect, ect.. most of us here allready face this.
These measures would be a win-win focus, whether a bird flu comes this way or not.. and the fear, defeatism and reliance on the government and pharmaceuticals is of greater danger than any potential virus IMO. It's backward moving.
I also believe several herbal remedies will prove far superior than Tamiflu (and certainly better than ANY vaccine) should we be dealing with a virulent flu virus at any point down the line..
JMHO.
Mo
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The doctor on the show didn't believe Tamiflu would be of great value because the threat to humans is only if the virus mutates and then Tamiflu is likely to be less useful then it is now.
I can see that we, as always, have a variety of opinions.
Granted - I actually DO agree that we can't always buy into the hype created by our beloved government who is clearly sleeping with the rich pharmaceutical companies. I DO 'get it' with regards to that.
What concerns me is that HISTORICALLY we HAVE had pandemics. And yes, that was a different time and we have made remarkable progress in medicine and technology and blah blah blah.
What I think we are not considering is the lessons that Katrina & her aftermath could teach us.
Regardless of the motives of our gov't and the richa$$ pharmaceutical companies - I think that we as individuals - as families - MUST learn to become more self-sufficient so that in the event that a pandemic occurs - and based on HISTORY - something at some point WILL occur -- we WILL NOT be able to depend on our dear government to keep us alive!
THAT is what is freaking me out a bit because lately I have felt barely self-sufficient enough to take myself to the bathroom!!!
I DO believe that we must be prepared for potential disastors and world catastrophes - in whatever form they come -- and I'm feeling a little semi-hysterical because I don't feel healthy enough to rise from my sick bed and go plant my own organic garden or to start canning my own meat like my great grandparents did.
I just think with all of our civilized 'advances' - we've also lost something.
Recently my regular grocery store 'folded' and went bye-bye and now I have to travel....a few extra miles - and yes, that rather unnerved me -- still does! Can you imagine my panic - and the panic of the population in general if a good portion of the truckers of our nation were unable to deliver goods to our stores?
My in-laws live near New Orleans and they are still dealing with shortages...altho their gym is open and they can work out as much as they want -- they have to travel farther to get milk which is stressful for them, and perhaps explains their need to work out their stress via their multiple gym memberships. I digress.
I just think that - despite our Lymieness - we need to spend some of our time in bed planning on 'worst case scenarios' so that even if a pandemic kills our sick a$$es - maybe our families can survive because we've helped to prepare them.
I think that Lyme has given some of us a 'gift' in that we can now use some of our new medical knowledge...and some of the free time we have preparing ourselves for 'worst case scenarios' so that if we DO survive, there will be others still alive to maybe return back to saving US! ha! How's THAT for logic???
OK, Dr. Wiseass is now stepping OFF her soapbox and will now go SURF the net for info on "How to Survive a pandemic...for Dummies". (Please Note: Dr. Wiseass is not angry - that is the only soapbox pic I could find....)
Hugs &
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Hi Doc,
I think Katrina was a wake up call to the next terrorist attack or pandemic--pick your poisen.
Hasn't LD taught us that we can't depend on the government?
My grandmother said brothers would not help brothers. My grandmother's family would put soup on neighbors porch- knock and run--but ill peoples families would be too scared to help each other.
Get a RIF--then you can knock it out as long as the power stays on...
Linda
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I dont see any point in getting myself all riles up about something I have no control over. We are all going to die someday. Some of us old and some of us young. If the bird flu comes and gets me and my family then its just ment to be.
We could all go to the grocery store and stock up so we dont have to go out in public but I guess I just dont have the energy enough to fight the fates.
I agree dont play with the birds or drink from their water bowl. You shouldnt take a bit of your friends sandwich either. Who knows what evil they might be harboring.
Well I guess even those we like to think of traveling the high road can sink to the low valley when it comes time to round up the troops for RATINGS.
I guess this means I shouldnt go out and frolic with the 11 wild turkeys I saw down in the woods below my house this morning. It was such a thrill. Last year I saw them up the street in the front lawn of one of my neighbors.
Wild turkeys use to be endangered in Ct. but they have more than made a comeback. Its quite common to see them all over the place and for those who live in the sticks they can be quite a pest.
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I can put together a list of more of them and why..
but if I got this flu tomorrow I would bank on (good quality) olive leaf , which is broad spectrum against viruses and you can take copious amounts every couple of hours at the onset of a virus.. ot longer term for chronic conditions. (not harmful to gut, either)
A great book is available at Amazon by Morton Walker for 6 bucks that will tell you most of the info about this herb. It has allot of potential in AIDS.
In the case of the flu, I would use the tea made at home from the leaf.
Mo
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Tamiflu is a drug that slows the reproduction of viruses. It is not a cure and it is not a prevention. There is an avian flu vaccine vaccine that prevents the bird flu.
However, governments balk at spending the money to buy it and the time to get it on the market is 3-6 months.
I have enough to worry about with Lyme and bird flu is not going to scare me. Hiker
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And how would you get the right frequency?
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I agree with the Olive Leaf. My LLMD told me to take it to help with my yeast issue until we figure out what else might be causing my issues right now. I have to say I am in day 4 of taking it and have felt a difference.
Ive read you shouldnt take with abx.....im not on abx at the moment so its not a problem for me right now.
Ive had some flares in my bladder symptoms...possible...herx reactions...i dunno.
Im not too worried about the Bird flu....im just too sick. I eat a lot of eggs and chicken, so if it starts being spread that way I will be the first to get it. I have to say though atleast the bird flu gained oprahs attention!
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so long as we neither park a car, nor stand under all those pigeons on the phone wires, i think all will be well folks! Posts: 2708 | Registered: Feb 2005
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There are roughly three kinds..the dried herb (in caps or powder)..
the extract diluted in oil -
and the 100% pure extract.
The 100% (high quality, Mediteranean) us VERY potent.
It will burn your skin, and one drop internally is very powerful. (I mix it in allot of water and drink)
You can increase but only with guidance IMO.
There is another paperback packed with info that is essential and extremely useful if you want to use oregano..
by Cass Ingrams called:
'The Cure is in the Cupboard'
It is a full guide.
Be aware, this will kill bacteria ..good and bad..
and olive leaf is more for virus, and bactria..but is easier on the gut.
I have used both together.
BTW - my comments were on the media and Oprah and of course, big brother
..not at all on your personal reaction to all this news..
not very long ago I was in a similar place to you, and I felt so totally overhwhelmed. I was trying to lift the burden a little, but may have come off as critical of anyone worried about this flu.
I'm not..I'm just a little p.o.ed at the hype that goes overboard to scare people. We have enough to worry about and I (now) feel our goals in getting well from Lyme will also conquer other virulent infection threats.
Take care, Mo
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I am almost surrounded by books and indeed have TWO copies (one borrowed and yet to be returned) of Cass Ingram's very informative book.
Having said that -- I have yet to read it all because apparently I am a 'collector' of information - I just can't seem to read everything I find fascinating if not for any other reason than because I haven't the brain cells to absorb it all.
As far as you pooh-poohing my fear....fear itself should be pooh-poohed!
I was rather pokiing fun at myself for having the feelings of semi-hysteria...but having said that -- I am still very concerned that some potential devastation is in our American future -- for which we would all be wise to be somewhat prepared for ourselves & our families.
For me -- one of the ways of CONQUERING my fears is to FACE THEM and do what I can to PREPARE for the worst, hope for the best, and trust that God will give me the strength & wisdom to handle everything that comes in between.
I wasn't offended Mo - as frankly I'm too busy trying to survive Lyme, while simultaneously figuring out how we're gonna survive a potential pandemic without appearing to be one of those 'fanatic' types -- but thanks for the clarification, honey!
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This bird flu crap belongs in the same category as Y2K, mad cow in the USA and other hysteria they hype on you. I worry how to cure lyme and teach people how NOT to get it. Like me, who if I had only known, wouldnt have squeezed the tick, would have sought LLMD the first day of bullseye and known what all the sxs where, way sooner when treatment MIGHT have worked. Now is too late for me. Concentrate on what is here and now, instead of the what ifs. Let the press and politicians do what they do best, worry and not much else. Educate people on lyme, not some could be fantasy. When it mutates we will THEN worry about IT!!!--jd--
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IMA - Thank you for all your links and most importantly for calling me WISE! ha!
I shall be showing my hubby dear all the CDC hoop-la, because he still has faith in our gov't and I need him to get 'on board' with all this so I can get him in the back yard digging the bunker we're gonna need to store all our provisions and to hide out from potential looters if it comes to anarchy in the streets!
Now Just Don -- honey, you seem to be getting your "feathers" ruffled - you seem a little 'ticked off'??
Take a deep breath we're just having a healthy dicussion and the stress ain't good for ya!
Besides, you're gonna have to get a happier more positive attitude if you expect me to let you join our little underground commune of survivalists!
I know you'll want to be there with us, Don, cuz we're gonna be serving lots of re-hydrated chicken soup! Can you say "Mmmm Mmmmm Good!" ???
Laugh - it's better for your immune system.
Hugs &
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They've aleady passed legislation that family members can forceably be removed from their homes and quarantined if a pandemic hit. The hysteria is unreal. I've never seen an administration so utterly determined to find a way to destroy american civil liberties.
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I agree we would all benefit from disaster preparedness. Thanks for the check list..
Thumbs down to the FDA.
This is a witch hunt against effective alternative treatments wrapped in fear mongering..
(of course there are SOME people trying to make money off of this flu hype and putting out bogus cures...the FDA and pharmaceuticals being one of them!)
But to issue blanket warnings against all alternatives while having 'solutions' themselves that won't work is very frightening indeed.
This kind of thing makes me livid.
FDA advises the firms that it considers their products to be drugs because they claim to treat or prevent disease
While I agree, noone should be marketing anything to specifically 'kill the bird flu virus' (including any prescription med or vaccine!) - thay are issuing warnings for much broader language than that, and also at the same time convincing the public that no alternatives will work or that all are fraudulent, when chances are..they may be our best option. (good ones may be)
They are systematically limiting our resources to effective healthcare, and with this flu...doing it by FORCE. Some of these remedies have true merit! But the FDA can say they don't because they haven't STUDIED them, and at the same time they refuse to study anything that doesn't come from PHARMACEUTICAL companies.
(rent or buy the DVD 'Hoxey, When Healung Becomes a Crime' - it's a real eye-opener)
NP40, you said:
"They've aleady passed legislation that family members can forceably be removed from their homes and quarantined if a pandemic hit."
Can you refer me to that legislation?
Guys, THIS is what I feel I have to protect my family from, and I consider these things put out by government agencies and legislation(!!) far more threatening to my health and welfare than the virus! I will be making preparations to dodge and avoid the plans they have to forceably quarantine or vaccinate, and stocking up on my herbals.
... now I too am officially freaked!
Mo
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Have to have a crisis for citizens to allow the government to "save" them by doing any darn thing they want with our liberty.
It's happened throughout time in country after country.
quote:Originally posted by NP40: They've aleady passed legislation that family members can forceably be removed from their homes and quarantined if a pandemic hit. The hysteria is unreal. I've never seen an administration so utterly determined to find a way to destroy american civil liberties.
In a nutshell, yes, I'm concerned. The day I watched Oprah, I borderlined on mild hysteria and "we are all gonna die" mentality.
I have calmed down some but I thought the show was extremely believable and credible. Haven't yet run to the store to stock up but have been thinking about the things that were brought up.
Don't have any faith in the government, learned that from lyme, chasing my ex for child support, etc and basically life lessons of being a 50 year old.
What I have come up with so far is similiar to what others have said. Probably herbal remedies and alternative treatments could be part of the answer in case this pandemic isn't hype.
I often do watch Oprah and I have never believed that she is into sensationalized TV. I could be wrong and very gullible. It seems to me that she tries to present a fair argument and knows that she sways public opinion.
I'm glad you brought this up, I was hoping to find it posted.
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Well, this has been a very exciting thread now hasn't it?
Like many things, people are usually very passionately sitting on one side of the fence or the other.
Ironically, I CAN and do see the logic and emotion on BOTH sides -- altho I don't think I'm sitting ON the fence.
I DO agree with much that has been said with regard to WHAT gov'ts do in the name of CONTROLLING their citizens. HYPE and FEAR are good 'excuses' to exert MORE control and to take away more freedoms.
I have my own, possibly controversial, opinions regarding what has been going on with our country before, during, and after 9/11 with regards to our freedoms in general, & I must say it concerns me a great deal.
I saw during Katrina & her aftermath how We, the People were only given the information that those in 'power' wanted us to know. That told me that the media is not as PURE as I previously thought...and reminded me of what my momma always said: "You can't trust everything you hear..."
I find it disturbing that some 'key' people in gov't - especially 'homeland security' -- were (are) bumbling idiots and that we are ill equipped as a nation to actually face a crisis of any large scale.
Thanks to Lyme, I have learned & continue to learn how some gov't entitites have their dirty little hands around the necks of the very people whose intelligence could be utilized to SAVE us as opposed to KILLING US SLOWLY with various bioweapons that 'aren't bioweapons' ((wink wink)).
I DO realize & validate all the points that those of you are making that do not believe that we have anything to really concern ourselves with about this potential flu pandemic.
Having said all that, however, it is also BECAUSE of those same points that make me realize that WE, the People can't really rely on our own damn govn't to give us the straight skinny about what to really expect; to trust that those in 'real' power are using that power in our best interest now, etc. etc.
Don't get me wrong. I still have faith in the FOUNDATIONS of our American system. I believe the system SHOULD be working for us as a whole - only that some of the people that are in positions of power are not allowing the purity of that system to keep everything as it should be... (Could I be any more vague or confusing??)
Without naming names - I ABSOLUTELY believe there ARE elements in our gov't - in our bureaucracies especially - that need an overhaul.
However, I do NOT believe everyone in government is bad. Government is made up of human beings (good and bad). We voted most of those humans into power - and those in power appointed or hired some of the rest of the fools (or the saintly few).
It is up to US to do what we need to do to clean out the idiots every election day we can...and to continuously voice our disssatisfaction until we have laryngitis!
In the meantime - I have to assume that ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
It seemed impossible to most of us that the World Trade Centers could come crumbling down before our eyes...but it did.
It seemed impossible to most of us that our own govn't agencies would allow THOUSANDS to die from a storm that they KNEW was coming...but it happened.
My point is -- ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE - EVEN IF IT SEEMS IMPOSSIBLE.
IMO, A FLU PANDEMIC IS POSSIBLE.
I hope & pray it doesn't happen. God knows I don't think I have the energy to survive something that devastating because I'm too busy trying to overcome this biowarfare agent that I believe to be an (accidental?) gift from a tiny bad bad bad 'cell' of my very own government!
I know I can't sit around and worry all day every day about all the negative 'what ifs' that could happen because the anxiety that causes ain't good for my immune system.
But what I can do is try my best to look at some of the 'what ifs' logically - acknowledge that some of those things DO scare me and then decide what I can do, if anything, to prepare myself - my family - to face that fear with a little more courage and preparation.
That's my whole point with this avian flu pandemic thread.
IT may not come...this year...next year or even within this decade. BUT I would be naive to think that We, the People are never going to be touched by a another diaster for which we are not prepared.
HELL! We (as a nation) are not even prepared to face the truth about Lyme....
I started this thread not just because I am a little 'freaked out' by this issue and because someone I consider to be in mainstream media -- the big O -- finally gave it some decent coverage; but because I already have my opinion and I think other people need to really look at how they DO feel about not only the potential for pandemic but for other potential diasters that could happen to US.
Are we prepared?
Am I prepared right now? NO. Am I gonna be? God, I hope so!
Are you?
For me, I'd just rather FACE some of the things that 'freak me out' & to face them NOW - as opposed to waking up some day and being so SHOCKED about a catastrophy in our land that I am POWERLESS.
Remember what all our momma's & daddy's taught us: KNOWLEGE IS POWER .
I generally feel too sick to really FEEL 'powerful'...but you can bet your sweet *** that I will continue to collect KNOWLEDGE as long as my brain works (that, and a lot of dehydrated food and medical supplies, and...)
That's pretty much all I have to say other than I really don't want to argue with anyone because I need to save my energy for more fruitful projects.
For those of you who are interested - there is a vast amount of info on the web about HOW to survive thru various potential world disasters.
I GOOGLED 'survivalism' and found lots of interesting sites.
GRANTED, some of those sites are 'woo hoo' kinda sites where you know these people have a virtual Rambo kind of armory underneath their house or something.
Some of those people probably live in underground compounds up in 'the hills' somewhere....and YES, believe you me they have their definite political opinions. And many of them have their extreme religious opinions too.
Ironically, a lot of those that ARE making major preparations for 'come what may' have some of the SAME political opinions as those that have already expressed themselves quite well on this thread - yet are NOT making preparations.
I'm just doing my best - while laid up in this sick bed of mine - to sift thru the political & ultra-religious opinions and get to the HOW TO SURVIVE aspects.
There is actually some very fascinating info if you look for it -- and some good alternative medicine stuff here & there too because these folks generally believe that going to the ER or the local doc is NOT gonna be an option - so it's a real 'do-it-yourself' attitude.
I even came across TWO homemade recipes for Elderberry syrup, which will be MUCH cheaper to make at home than to buy all the Sambucol that I would prefer to have on hand -- not just for a potential flu pandemic, but for ANY flu.
OK, I'm officially tired of typing, just as I'm sure you're probably tired of reading.
Thanks for an interesting thread. Feel free to carry on if you'd like. I will 'hang up & listen'.
Hugs &
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I'm curious about this legislation that gives them the ability to take me out of my home during a pandemic. The isolation of my home is the thing that would protect us.
Who, exactly, makes the determination about who is taken? EMS? Doctors? Politicians? Please tell us more about this legislation.
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I love your commentary and perfect cartoon punctuations, Doc SmartBooty !
Yeesh. Oprah I assume doesn't usually go for just hype, I know..
and clearly something is up..but I am skeptical mainly of the government planning aspects. I was hoping she would have gone deeper. There are mixed reports from various micro-bilologists they maybe could have included, but..how much can you fit in an hour?
The medicines, vaccines are suspect, and yes.. this legislation on forced removal from homes I would like to know more about!
Then there's the FDA, who over a long period of time I have come to completely distrust as protecting our health and welfare. There are too many financial ties, much like medical boards and insurers/IDSA working together to take out LLMD's. Money currupts and health should not be treated entirely as a multi-million dollar business IMO.
I agree everyone in government are not bad people.
It's the orchestrators that need major reform.
Mo
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I'm more than a little freaked out about NP40's statement that legislation has been passed to remove us from our home if a pandemic hits.
Seems to me a house arrest situation makes a lot more sense than removal and warehousing thousands of people together. All it would take is one infectious person to make all the others sick.
As far as Oprah having a show on bird flu... I think with so many people advising her, sometimes she's easily led into the wrong situation.
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