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"Anyone that does not believe that Susan O'connels tests are accurate is delusional"
That's about everybody on this message board then...
Basically Susan O'connel is the UK's leading test researcher. She follows the steer camp.
Doctor Ranger said that Lisa doesn't have lyme and that lyme is very rare. She said that Lisa could have a test done in the Southampton lab in the UK to prove it. Lisa has a positive (even by CDC standard) western blot run by Igenex.
Dr Ranger has been told that Lisa has a positive western blot and disregards it.
The definition of delusional disorder is that someone believes that something is true even when they are constantly presented with evidence against their belief. It is my belief that the very doctor in control of the psychiatric ward (Dr Ranger) id delusional herself. She has repeatedly been shown evidence of Lisa's case and still believes that "Lisa" is wrong.
To the best of my knowledge, Lisa has not seen ANY evidence that she is not delusional herself. This in itself is going against the definition of the disorder, although in Dr Rangers case I believe it hits the nail on the head.
I think Dr Ranger should be the one locked up because she is a danger to the sane public in my opinion.
It appears that there are other doctors on the ward that are afraid to speak out against Dr ranger for fear of limiting their own career. One of the junior docs on the ward was discussing the firewall logs with Lisa from her computer and he said that they didn't have the time to look at them. He sounded like he believes Lisa, but when the report is written up at the end of the day there was nothing to mention the firewall logs that they had discussed. I can only deduce from that that he is afraid of Dr Ranger and his own career.
They now have her sectioned under section 3. This means that they can keep her in for 6 months which is renewable after that period and they can more easily forcibly drug her. In that period she is only allowed ONE trial, so if it doesn't go her way - that is it for 6 months, until the section is renewed.
It is worse than being in prison. At least you have more chance of avoiding mind altering drugs in prison.
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It is ironic that in D.C., two police officers were recently killed by a mental patient, and organizations for the mentally ill are saying there aren't enough facilities and treatment centers for people who need help before they injure someone. So, in the U.S., mental patients can't get the help they need until they kill a police officer, while in the U.K. they put people in mental wards who don't belong there!
Can't decide which is worse. We are sure not getting a competent response from our health agencies/gov't on mental health.
It is amazing that no one will look at the computer logs. If her claim about being hacked is the main hook they are hanging this case on, then not looking at the logs is either criminal incompetence or this is payback from the Wessley affair. Why would the gov't be backing Wessley's view of Gulf War illness and chronic fatigue? Not hard to figure this out.
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quote:Originally posted by DR. Wiseass: Starship Trooper -
Thank you for your post. When, may I ask did you get this info?
Did Lisa have her 'tribunal' (hearing) yesterday?
Hi Dr Wiseass,
I was on the phone to her yesterday. Her hearing was put back until 31st May. I think it was the Lawyers that actioned this so that they could fully understand the situation (lyme being a big subject)
Lisa has been at her mother's funeral today. She died whist Lisa was in hospital and I think she has been able to refuse the drugs so far because of her mum.
I hope she is not going to be in there much longer.. I think the outcome of the hearing will decide that.
Best, ST.
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When it comes to commitment for mental health treatment, there should be evidence of immediate risk of harm to self or others.
If Lisa did not make any threats and/or have other behavior indicating risk of physical harm, then they should not be a reason to keep her confined against her will. Even if she did have delusions, that in itself should not be a reason to hold her.
If the government uses the logs, it gives the appearance of it being a political decision. The logs are obviously a non-issue when it comes to forcing her treatment.
I wonder who has the most compassion and would really like to help others, Lisa or "Chuckie"? (Note: This does not have anything to do with advocating for a poster child).
Linda LD
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I'm throwing in my two cents...my husband is a computer nerd. He says the navy and such "ping" everyones computer--it is not unusual at all.
So why the big reaction when Lisa talks about it?
And who are these nasty people that are showing up for this discussion--who have only posted 7 posts--all about Lisa? They are like cure dogs, Go home! Go back to where you came from--you aren't wanted here.
Linda
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What if Mcsweegan KNOWS that lymerix doesn't work and that the lyme testing technique Lisa and Mark publicised proves it? Would that warrant hacking into her PC? Would that warrant silencing her and locking her up for a few months?
Kathleen was also outspoken against the lymerix vaccine - look what happened to her
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