sometimesdilly
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Are soy in any/all its forms OK during the first month of a strict yeast elim diet? (soybeans themselves, unsweetened soymilk, kefir, tofu? )
Ditto black beans and chickpeas (thus hummus?)
I've read Dr. B's guidelines and Lymetutu's and others' candida links, and there doesn't seem to be 100% agreement about what is allowed.
I'll cut out whatever is necessary to do this right, just need to know for sure about these 3 foods.
Thanks for any help-
Dilly
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Aniek
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Dilly,
A great resource book on the yeast diet is the Yeast Connection by William Crook. He was really one of the first treating chronic yeast.
I've always understood that soy is ok. But some people try to stay away from tofu because they stay away from anything fermented. Soy milk has a lot of sugar in it, even the unsweetened. So you might want to try to avoid it.
But, if you are a vegetarian, then make sure you get your protein.
If you have yeast you are trying to rid, I would stay away from beans and chick peas. They do have carbs. But they should be ok if you are just preventing yeast.
Kefir is not made with soy. It is dairy.
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sometimesdilly
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Thanks Aniek-
I'll pick up a copy of Crook's book. Sure will miss my hummus for awhile.
Can't imagine how a vegetarian could get enough protien on this diet in this first phase given what's not allowed.
Dilly
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Aniek
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Dilly,
Years ago I followed the diet as a semi-vegetarian. I ate fish. I had real yeast problems then and needed to. This was before Lyme treatment.
When I started my Lyme treatment, I began eating meat again. I felt I couldn't follow the yeast diet in a healthy enough way as a vegetarian. I also felt a need to incrase my protein because of all the muscle pain I had.
It turned out to be a good decision for me. I since discovered I can't tolerate tofu.
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sometimesdilly
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I wonder why your body doesn't like tofu. Is it the soy itself?
Even after this little bit of time on the diet i'm finding that my body is pretty reliable in telling me what would make it happy.
unlike before, when it would swear to me up and down that only a great big piece of chocolate cheesecake or a dozen cookies would do.
Dilly
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Aniek
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Soy is ok. It's just the tofu, but I think soy milk may bother me too.
I had nausea for months so my doctor had me get a test for food sensitivities. I discovered the biggest culprits were tofu, lemon and red leaf lettuce. Odd.
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sometimesdilly
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I skimmed through what was on the link you mentioned, L-22, and it was interesting, thanks.
I wondered about several things. How to balalnce the info that pumpkin and sunflower seeds have lots of the 2 things (can't remember at all what those thigns were) this DR thinks bad versus the fact that both are wonderful sources of magnesium, which we all need?
And I wonder about soy. This is probably basic biology that I just don't remember, but soy has been a staple in Asian diets for thousands of years to no ill affect. So have their bodies adapted to it in a way ours aren't? Else, how could it be that soy is harmful to half the world and to the other half?
Though sure, I can easily understand allergy in some, like your's Aniek (hmm, and it does seem plain weird to be allergic to one specific type of lettuce.. ).
For the rest....confusing.
Dilly
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I have an immediate reaction to all soy-based foods, hummus, tofu, chick peas, etc. I get all the IBS symptoms and feel lymie immediately (within 24 hrs.)
I have to read that link now.
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My llmd said I could eat some hummus, but not too much when I did no carbs at all for 3 weeks. The store hummus had fructose, so I made my own. I used a few drops of seseame oil instead of the paste.
Asian cultures do not eat soy in the forms or quantities that the soy producers in the US are pushing into everything.
I first read Dr J's article in early summer when my llmd had me do no carbs at all.
My life has changed for the better since I eliminated wheat and soy totally from my diet. I eat a little corn, but it does make me stiff if I eat too much. I'm lactose intolerant so no milk or ice cream, a little hard cheese is tolerated. I eat very little carbs, relying on my garden for the past three months. Don't know what will happen soon, the winter store produce is just so plastic!
I have no more symptoms. My nasal allergies were apparently linked to wheat as was my lingering lyme arthritis.
I have been increadably active this summer, catching up on 6 years of yard work and house maintianence as well as sailing 3-4 times a week.
I wish you all the same success I have had. My food intolerances, except for dairy caused no gut issues. I was totally surprised.
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