randibear
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ok, lyme is a spirokete, or bug, right? assumably, developed by humans.
so why can't we develop another bug that eats lyme ketes but doesn't harm us? instead of using drugs to kill it, we just inject ourselves with this new bug, it eats the ketes, and then dies off.
course we'd have to detox like mad.
i don't know, sounds good, right? anybody got any better ideas...
or how about just making the lyme environment so bad they pack up and leave...ok, like heating the body so high they die or something....
just trying to think of any ideas....
boring day....
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randibear
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i don';t know, i must have picked it up somewhere. you know the lab theory, about them developing germ warfare and then the bug gets out of the lab....
well anyway, who cares where it came from, the point i'm trying to make is, surely there must be a way to counteract this bug (loose term, very loose)...
you can tell my brain is not functioning today.
ok, switch tracks -- learn from this post how far down your thought processes can go.
don't believe in darwin's theory...bible version for me...
LOL....oh i kill me........
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I had read that too and quite recently, but darned if I can't remember what article it was or I would post it. It's certainly did make me go, hmmmmmmm? Could be possible but maybe not probable.
Anyhow, to answer your question, it's a bacteria and some people call them bugs. But those darn bacteria love heat, so heating wouldn't really do a lot except damage your body.
It's an interesting question whether your brain was on a downward thinking sprial or not, but I don't know if there is an answer to it.
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heiwalove
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according to stephen buhner (and others, i'm sure) the lyme spirochete has been around for thousands, probably millions, of years. i think there is A LOT of conspiracy surrounding lyme, but (in my opinion) the actual development of the organism is a result of evolution, not a mad scientist in a laboratory somewhere.
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I've never been big on conspiracy theories, but read "Lab 257" and see what you think after reading that!
After reading it I tend to agree with Geneal that it may have been around for a very long time, but there also may have been some human altering of it for biowarfare.
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I can look back in my family and find someone who was infected back in the 1920's. She developed true MS symptoms in the 50's, died of pneumonia in the early 80's.
I don't think they bioweaponized in the 1920's.
I'm as big a conspiracy theorist as anyone, just ask me about JFK-! (apology accepted MsCavey!) But I can't imagine this disease and it's slow growth process to be a weapon that would be effective.
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If Bb is an anaerobic bacteria, meaning it doesn't like oxygen, doesn't this mean it may have pre-dated oxygen on the planet?
Still, experimentation at Plum Island could have boosted its quantity and lethality.
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Vermont_Lymie
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Well, whether or not this ancient bacteria has been tampered with, (who knows?) there certainly is a conspiracy, or an organized effort, to deny patients treatment!
Wikepedia defines conspiracy as "working in secret" to affect a goal, with usually negative consequences. While insurance companies and the IDSA lyme-guideline ducks may not work in "secret", they certainly do not work in public.
As for alternate ways to kill ketes, maybe someday the biomed genetic engineering folks will alter a virus to enable it to attack only borrelia (or bartonella -- name your favorite pathogen). For now I am sticking with my high dose abx and supplements!
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just don
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Killing ketes---,,,, True unvarnished story of ME pre-knowing -I had lyme. knew I had 'something'
My elbow got real bad and hurt like hades and I lost range of motion.
I was at a ducks office(nationally known guy who specalized in connective tissue disorder)Said I coulndnt have connective tissue disorder cause I had wrong kind of arthritis I had osteo instead of required RA. My joints dont get red, hot or swollen.
I asked him why I couldnt get my right hand to my mouth to feed myself. He ws walking out in a huff anyway cause he was looking for study patients and I wasnt one. He said thats a GOOD thing,,,I needed to lose a few pounds anyway!!!
I got back to town where I lived 120 miles away and it didnt get better,instead elbow bending got worse. Went back to my ortho doc,local. and showed him lack of motion of elbow.
He was "SHOCKED" and said IF I got any worse I would need to go live in a nursing home because I couldnt go the bathroom myself or eat,,,from lack of motion. Talk about a shock to hear when you are in your forties!!
He refered me back to a sports med doc in BIG city again 120 miles from home for scope surgery. (SO sorry this is so long but hard to relate the whole story condensed too much, doesnt make sense)
Anyway day of scope they use the nerve block thing where they shoot a nerve under your armpit. Guy did it, comes back in required time of numbing and said how ya doing???,,I said fine BUT the block wasnt working.
Shocked he was and said oops I might have MISSED or something,,,so sorry,,, redid it probably with a BIGGER dose just in case that was the problem.
Arm went NUMB then, big time. Did the scope,got me up and sent me home the 120 miles. Said the arm would not be numb in a couple hours.
Well folks the scope was early morning,,,the arm didnt wake up from numb with all that sedative till middle of NEXT day!!
AS soon as it woke, I could FEEL something way different. That whole arm, hand and wrist area was back to 100% normal.
I told that doc,whatever you did to THAT arm,,,do to the other. I thought it was from removing bone spurs from elbow that was pressing a nerve. He said no way,,,I said yes way!!!
Anyway the net result was this right arm was completely normal and I didnt need my required wrist splint on that one for like about a YEAR!!
gradually it got worse like it always was,,,what a glorious year that was!!
Okay the point of the story,,,now I know I had lyme,,, was the keets were killed in that arm by freezing it for THAT long. It took a year,,,cause they are so slow growing back!!!
Okay doc,,,can you FREEZE my whole body and kill them all at once???
This actually happened and I swear just as I told,,,wouldnt it be wonderful IF they could kill ALL keets in body same way???
Race you to the freezer!!!(Hopping in, closing lid)LOL!!!there passes--just don--
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bejoy
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You may be on to something with the idea about heating the body so high the "bugs" die. Saunas and hot tubs seem to help some people. Keets are supposed to die at temps higher than 104, I think.
Other alternatives include rife and other energy machines, homeopathics, herbs, so on and so forth.
Considering that lyme may be the fastest growing epidemic in the world, I find it interesting how many people are using some kind of alternatives and complementaries along with their antibiotics.
The state of the art LLMD's are all using something more than than main stream prescriptions.
As for the conspiracy theory...I read that the highest concentration of lyme borrelia is found on the Long Island shore and in the Black Forrest of Germany, both right around known biowarfare facilities.
The purpose of the facilities was/is to develop organisms that will compormise the enemy's food source, and to disable rather than kill the enemy.
Its not a stretch to think that even if they didn't create the germs themselves, somebody bread them intentionally, and accidently let the bugs out of the bag.
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If you want to freeze the keets dead, perhaps "Whole Body Cryotherapy" is the answer. I heard about this on a British radio programme--basically, you sit in a huge freezer at -120 degrees celsius! It's apparently popular with athletes, and has been used to treat people with arthritis & MS.
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