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Wow....I've thought for years that he is at high risk for getting Lyme. He clears bush and chops wood in Texas and then goes to Camp David regularly, not to mention the possibility of ticks around the White House itself.
and he has indoor pets
I feel certain that Pres Reagan also had it. Same risk factors as Bush!
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Mel....your box is full. Would you please PM me?
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Thanks for posting. Very interesting. Why so many doctors I wonder? Is this normal for a president or do you suppose he is having symptoms besides the polyps?
I bet he got more than the obligatory treatment but apparently those details are "classified".
Too bad this disease can sometimes take so long to manifest. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy but it would be good if someone who has some power to do something to help us would get a real taste of this nasty disease.
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Hopefully this might be a catalyst to rally his Senate buddies to vote for the funding bill.
quote:Originally posted by TerryK: Why so many doctors I wonder?
I didn't see anything in the article about doctors. What did I miss??
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You can bet he got treated according to IDSA guidelines.
Now whether or not his three or four weeks of Doxy will have cleared up his lyme and co-infections remains to be seen.
I know it didn't do so for my mother, who treated her lyme at the first site of bullseye and flu symptoms.
He'll most likely end up with fatigue, arthritis, tremors, and dementia, like the rest of America, and chock it up to ageing and too much stress.
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There is a more detailed accounting of his Lyme treatment, including some suggestions for him to prevent it from recurring. Also more about why so many doctors.
quote:His doctors advised him to wear long pants and long-sleeved shirts and use bug spray when in risk-prone areas, such as Maine, where the president is spending a long weekend starting Thursday at his parents' summer home on the East coast.
Not to mention at Camp David, the White House grounds and of course, Texas. But we all know there's no Lyme in Texas!
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My mother suggested to me after seeing me suffer horrifically for three years and having to move in with them the following:
Perhaps if you get bit by a republican tick and are the president you dont develop the disease. Of course, I was bit in Pennsylvania ( no endemic ticks there!) and a democratic tick!!! Lol.
Makes you wonder why the White House sat on this for a year and didnt release the details. Of course, silly me, it and coinfections are cured easily.
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tutu asked
quote:didn't see anything in the article about doctors. What did I miss??
This article has the most details that I've seen so far.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/usworld/news-article.aspx?storyid=88644 "A total of 11 doctors were involved in the exams, overseen by White House physician Richard Tubb and Dr. Kenneth Cooper, the president of The Cooper Aerobics Center in Dallas. The group included skin, hearing, eye, heart, neurological and sports medicine specialists."
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Hi All
This is what We need to do--
Call your local TV stations and tell them that you Have Lyme Disease and that you are Knowledgeable about Lyme-
The reporters will want to interview you or the people you suggest--
Call ALL of your TV stations -- Do it right now --TV stations are 24X7 --
Many TV stations also have email where you can give them News stories ect-
If we spend the next few days working on this we could have Good results--Jay--
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So, maybe all the politicians have Lyme and this explains all the wierd thinking coming out of Washington, D.C.? Scary thought.
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...well most of us know that global warming is actually caused by all the hot air emanating from the vicinity of Washington DC so maybe there's hope yet....
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The Bushes vacation in Kennebunkport, Maine -- highly endemic, as it's on the coast, a flyway for migrating birds.
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The articles I read DIDNT say Bush had 11 lyme docs,,,he had 11 specalists do the yearly phsyical exam on Pres. Bush,,,in the Whitehouse and Camp David,,,instead of a hospital like normal.
I dont hold much water to the theory he still has nausea/dizziness from a stomach bug from earlier this summer,,,quite strange,,those ARE lyme sxs instead,,,who they trying to kid.
we need our OWN deep throat here,,,anybody gonna volunteer for this underground positon?? IF not and nobody volunteers,,,we MAY have to DRAFT somebody!!!
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In the link inside the original news web story there's an article from Newsweek, quoting Dr. S from S.F.
I wonder if Dr. S (from S.F) was Bush's LLMD? He's the LLMD that is most often noted with treating "celebrities" such as Amy Tan, etc.
Anyone have any direct connections to Dr. S these days? I don't . . .but wouldn't it be a hoot if he was treated by someone who's treated so many of us here on this board.
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In the link inside the original news web story there's an article from Newsweek, quoting Dr. S from S.F.
I wonder if Dr. S (from S.F) was Bush's LLMD? He's the LLMD that is most often noted with treating "celebrities" such as Amy Tan, etc.
Anyone have any direct connections to Dr. S these days? I don't . . .but wouldn't it be a hoot if he was treated by someone who's treated so many of us here on this board.
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In the link inside the original news web story there's an article from Newsweek, quoting Dr. S from S.F.
I wonder if Dr. S (from S.F) was Bush's LLMD? He's the LLMD that is most often noted with treating "celebrities" such as Amy Tan, etc.
Anyone have any direct connections to Dr. S these days? I don't . . .but wouldn't it be a hoot if he was treated by someone who's treated so many of us here on this board.
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How do I access the article where Dr. S. was quoted?
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quote:Originally posted by shazdancer: The Bushes vacation in Kennebunkport, Maine -- highly endemic, as it's on the coast, a flyway for migrating birds.
Our own newly elected president spends his vacation in the neighborhood right now...
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WASHINGTON - President Bush was treated for Lyme disease last August, the White House announced Wednesday after failing to disclose the problem for nearly a year.
The treatment was revealed only when the White House made public all the results of Bush's annual physical exam on Wednesday. It showed up in the ``past medical history'' section and in the summary along with other skin conditions.
Bush was treated for what his doctors described as ``early, localized Lyme disease'' after developing the characteristic bullseye rash.
Story continues below ------------------- Lyme disease is a tick-borne infection that, if left untreated, can cause arthritis and other problems. Symptoms can include lethargy, joint pain, fever, limping and loss of appetite. A bacterial disease, it can be eradicated with antibiotic treatment in the early stages, but can become more complicated to treat if not caught early.
Bite may have occurred while biking White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said Bush's treatment was not disclosed earlier because it happened after his last physical, on Aug. 1, 2006. He said doctors decided not to perform blood tests for Lyme disease because the treatment worked for the one area where the president experienced a rash, and he never progressed to other symptoms or saw a recurrence.
``It was a rash,'' Stanzel said. ``It's not uncommon for the president to have tick bites when he's out biking.''
The president's main form of exercise and recreational activity is biking. His doctors advised him to start wearing long pants and long-sleeved shirts and use bug spray in risk-prone areas such as Maine, where he is spending this weekend at his parents' coastal summer home.
Last year's presidential physical was conducted as usual on a visit to the National Naval Medical Center in suburban Maryland. This year's took place as a series of exams conducted at the White House and the Camp David, Md., presidential retreat over five days starting July 17 and ending Tuesday night. The process was not revealed until Wednesday.
`Fit for duty' Doctors pronounced the 61-year-old president healthy overall.
``Doctors have determined that the president remains in superior fitness for a man his age -- anybody who's seen him on the bike or out and about certainly knows that -- and that he is fit for duty,'' press secretary Tony Snow said.
A total of 11 doctors were involved in the exams, overseen by White House physician Richard Tubb and Dr. Kenneth Cooper, the president of The Cooper Aerobics Center in Dallas. The group included skin, hearing, eye, heart, neurological and sports medicine specialists.
Each signed a statement saying that ``within the scope of my specialty'' he found Bush ``fit for duty'' with the expectation that he will remain so for the duration of his presidency -- standard language used after presidential physicals.
As part of the exams, Bush had a colonoscopy last month at Camp David. Five small growths were removed from his colon but doctors determined that none of them was cancerous.
Near the top of his class A four-page medical summary that accompanied the brief doctors' statements said Bush remains in the ``superior'' fitness category for a man of his age, in the 97th percentile, thanks in part to a six-day-a-week exercise regimen.
Bush's overall cholesterol count is at a healthy level, dropping slightly to 170 from 174. There was a small drop in his high-density lipoprotein (HDL) count, or ``good'' cholesterol, and a smaller rise in his low-density lipoprotein (LDL) or ``bad'' cholesterol.
The president's medical profile shows a low to very low risk of coronary artery disease. His resting pulse rate rose to 52 beats per minute from 46. Well-trained athletes typically have resting pulse rate of between 40 and 60 beats per minute.
Other information from Bush's checkup included:
(Its starting sound familiar!!)The scale showed the 5-foot-11 1/2-inch Bush at 192 pounds, a four-pound reduction from 196 last year. His body fat percentage fell to 16.6 from 16.8. The president has [b]skin lesions consistent with sun damage, though none was treated. Bush suffers from seasonal allergies that are controlled.
He is recovering from an inner ear infection and sinus infection, as well as a virus that resulted in a stomach bug in June and still causes some mild dizziness or disorientation. The president has had no recurrence of occasional bouts with reflux of stomach acid, and his mild high frequency hearing loss didn't get worse. Bush smokes a cigar now and then, drinks coffee and diet sodas and takes a daily multivitamin. But he does not routinely take any prescription medication.
Yep hes cured good grief
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I am no expert by far but it sounds like to me that he may have some other symptoms that indicate he still has IT..Even the President can have stupid ducks treating him.
Wonder if anyone tested or treated co-infections?
Let's hope he is retreated soon before more severe symptoms crop up.
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I actually emailed the Pres. a few years back (when I had my PICC in and a raging case of Bartonella)and asked him to get tested mainly due to the Texas ranch and the symptoms I thought I could see when he spoke (blank stare, articulation problems, etc.) Maybe I'll try to email him my story so he doesn't end up with bad chronic Lyme. Hopefully it won't progress to the Reagen stage. Got to wonder about the Kennedy's- seems like they would have gotten something too.
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The NYTimes article today siad the doctor who treated him said that the Bells Palsy he subsequently developed could not be from the earlier Lyme, because the rash didn't return after he was first treated for Lyme. What a joke!!! I think we've caught a big one this time.
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quote:Originally posted by Greatcod: The NYTimes article today siad the doctor who treated him said that the Bells Palsy he subsequently developed could not be from the earlier Lyme, because the rash didn't return after he was first treated for Lyme. What a joke!!! I think we've caught a big one this time.
What do you mean by "earlier Lyme"?
I noticed this: "He said doctors decided not to perform blood tests for Lyme disease because the treatment worked for the one area where the president experienced a rash..."
What do they mean that it worked for the one area??? Do they mean "the rash went away?"
That's stupid thinking if I'm reading it right! or is it just stupid me!?
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I used to live 25 miles from the Catoctin Mountains where Camp David is located. I got Lymed while living near there.
I've told my husband several times that President Bush will probably get it because I'd see photos of him running along grassy trails at Camp David with his shorts on.
I don't think President Bush knows the truth about Lyme. If he did I think he'd be more careful.
I wish someone could get his ear and tell him to watch out. If he gets Lymed again he's going to be very sick, I bet.
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I just finished reading the NY Times article and they are attributing ear problems and dizziness to a "viral infection" because his Lyme rash didn't come back.
How stupid are these doctors? And they're supposed to be the best of the best? I'm assuming they are considered top doctors to be in on "the team".
I actually feel like crying over this, people.
Probably President Bush is on the road to poor health and "the team" will just treat him based on presenting symptoms, never thinking it's all caused by Lyme.
You can't get good health care for Lyme even if you're the Prez!
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Ha Now we know why we are in Iraq!!!!
LYME BRAIN!!!!!!
We can count on the fact that the gov. ducks.
DID NOT TREAT HIM PROPERLY!!!
We have a person with the nuke suitcase,that has LYMEBRAIN!!!!!
EEEEEEKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Since when does a "head cold" cause vertigo? I haven't heard of that.
And as others have pointed out, the doctors' claim that this can't be neurological lyme because the rash has not reappeared is clearly ridiculous.
I really doubt that he is being seen by Dr. S., or any LLMD for that matter, because these conclusions are obviously misguided.
I never thought I would have sympathy for the man, but strangely, I kind of do right now. I expect that he's going to go for a very long time, and things are going to get a lot worse, before he realizes what is going on and receives proper treatment.
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I can't say the neurological problems described below are caused by Lyme disease, but the reasoning for not considering Lyme is way off.
"But Mr. Bush's doctors said they did not believe the Lyme infection was linked to his vestibular neuronitis because the skin lesion had not recurred."
Some people get recurring rashes, but I would venture to say most do not, and waiting for a rash to recur before considering Lyme is really nuts!
Annual Exam Gives Bush Good Marks for Health By LAWRENCE K. ALTMAN Published: August 9, 2007
Though President Bush has had episodes of mild vertigo in recent weeks, they have not interfered with his work, and he is in excellent health, the White House said yesterday in releasing findings from his annual medical checkup.
The bouts of unsteadiness, which were reported as having improved, began after Mr. Bush had a viral infection in June at the Group of 8 meeting in Germany, the White House said. Such dizziness often follows viral infections, usually of the upper respiratory tract, and can last a few weeks. The symptoms may be continuous or intermittent.
Mr. Bush has sinusitis and has recovered from serous otitis media, an ear infection, in the last few days, his doctors said. The medical report said Mr. Bush, 61, was treated last August for a skin rash over his left shin attributed to Lyme disease.
The White House did not disclose the diagnosis last August because Lyme disease had not interfered with Mr. Bush's duties, as when he temporarily turned over the powers of the presidency to Vice President Dick Cheney when he had a colonoscopy in July. Mr. Bush's doctors described him as ``fit for duty,'' a standard military phrase.
Scott M. Stanzel, a White House spokesman, likened Mr. Bush's episodes of imbalance to the feeling that can occur in someone who has just gotten off a boat.
``The president goes for lengthy bike rides on narrow trails in the woods and does not have any problems with his balance,'' Mr. Stanzel said.
Mr. Bush rearranged his schedule at the Group of 8 meeting because he had a head cold and was not feeling well. The periods of unsteadiness began after that, Mr. Stanzel said.
The doctors attributed the unsteadiness to mild vestibular neuronitis in the president's left ear. The serous otitis media was in the right ear and was first detected last Friday, but has since cleared up. The sinusitis involved the right maxillary sinus.
The findings are consistent with viral illnesses that can be followed by periods of unsteadiness for several weeks, said Dr. Michael G. Stewart, the chief of ear, nose and throat medicine at NewYork-Presbyterian/Weill Cornell hospital.
Untreated Lyme disease can lead to nerve damage, often involving the eighth cranial nerve, the same one affected by vestibular neuronitis. But Mr. Bush's doctors said they did not believe the Lyme infection was linked to his vestibular neuronitis because the skin lesion had not recurred.
The White House doctors evaluated Mr. Bush for Meniere's disease, another inner ear ailment that can produce vertigo, hearing loss and ringing in the ears. But the doctors ruled out Meniere's disease because Mr. Bush did not have some key signs and symptoms, the White House official said without disclosing what they were.
Dr. Richard J. Tubb, physician to the president, and Dr. Kenneth Cooper of Dallas oversaw 11 other doctors who examined Mr. Bush in sessions starting July 17.
Mr. Bush weighed 192 pounds, 4 pounds less than last year, a change he attributed to ``less birthday cake.''
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Hmmm ..That could explain some things, in both cases... (bush and Reagan. that is) ... ... ... DaveS
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Ha,happlycarles Dave,i haven't read anything from you for a long time.
Good to hear you are still out there walking.
3 trucks and one SUV owning MADDOG He HE HE!!!!
Out here it is miles to anything,besides corn fields.
A person would starve to death walking to a grocery.
Or waiting for the corn to grow.
Yep waiting for the corn to grow!!!!
Yep waiting for the corn to grow!!!
Yep waiting for the corn to grow!!!
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