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What type of doctor are LLMDs? Do the doctors on the "list" specifically specialize in Lyme Disease? Are they rheumatologists, neurologists, or infectious disease specialists?
I am wondering what is special about the doctors you've added to your list - so that I can know how to spot possible LLMDs that you might not know about yet (at, for example, mass general hospital).
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Knowledge of how to treat Lyme and the other major TBDs!!!!
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Right - so how can I find that out? What sort of questions can I ask where I can determine that? And are these doctors strictly specialists, or can a PCP be a LLMD if they happen to have an interest in it?
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My doctor is an ID and everyone on here would tell you to run the other way. Yet I know many lyme patients go to my doctor.
There REALLY is NO SPECIALTY for a LLMD (it is a made up term) most are MD's in other specialties and got recruited into this sub group.
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If you go to the Medical Abstracts on the left of this very page
and also go to ILADS at www.ilads.org and read the articles and presentations . . . you will begin to see the differences.
the top half of this is just my view. Sorry, I just can't seem to edit concisely now.
A good article follows.
While LLMD is a "made-up" term I would say that it is an evolved term that indicates a doctor has spent many hours of study reading articles such as those by ILADS doctors. A LLMD would have attended several ILADS, or similar, seminar or watched these on DVD and maybe conferred with ILADS doctors.
Persons with lyme (note, I did NOT say lymies as I think that makes us sound like little scouts) . . . but persons with lyme needed way to know who could treat. LLMDs needed a way to know who else was on the same page.
I think, more than anything, the difference may be in the mutual respect between doctors and those who require their expertise. LLMDs simply respect patients far more than the doctors most persons with lyme have encountered.
A LLMD nearly does have a sub-specialty however their medical counterparts are ignorant to the vast amount of knowledge in this field and generally ignore the hard-working and courageous doctors who become LLMDs.
Now and then an ID doctor will be an LLMD without taking on that label. It could be a doctor from any specialty or a GP. It could be a doctor with just on patient with lyme/TBI or a doctor who seems only lyme/TBI patients.
It's simply about how much the doctor knows and how much freedom he has to diagnose and treat as he best determines, based upon much study and experience.
Mostly, a LLMD recgonizes all the stages of lyme and understands the life process of all the forms of the bacteria, as well as other TBD/TBI and fungal infections. Add to that full knowledge of some of the viruses that often go with this mix such as HHV-6, coxackie (sp?), EBV, and a few others.
Sometimes a doctor will say they are LL, and they think they are, but they are not. So buyer beware. And, yes, I do see patients not as patients, but as consumers looking for the best expert with whom to do business. Much in the doctor-patient role simply maligns the patient as a person often with inept doctors playing god with our very medical files that follow us forever.
Some good doctors may be LL but can't treat for matters of pressure or practicality (you can't see a lyme patient in less than an hour). Still, they may be good doctors to oversee routine medical care for a person being treated by an LLMD.
A LLMD is usually a member of ILADS, but not always. However, a LLMD is familiar with ILADS guidelines (and probably uses it as a guide) and practices beyond the narrow scope of the IDSA.
A LLMD who choose not to join ILADS may actually be able to "fly beneath the radar" better. I've heard of many LLMDs who don't want anyone to know as they can't handle any more patients, or want to avoid pressure from their peers.
Courage, I say, is vital for a LLMD. Just who would even want to see patients like this all day long? Who would want to work hard, have learn more every day, study harder and truly stick with the seriously ill so that a complex puzzle could be solved for the sake of lives? This is a tremendous commitment.
Courage, in that their very livelihood is often challenged by their local medical board which generally ignore complex illness. Courage, in that they often have to go it alone, leaving practices and safety of insurance coverage.
Courage, in that they choose to think, learn, grow and work with individual patients whom they believe, trust and honor as good people who want to get well.
A LLMD is a new breed of doctor. (Actually, though, it's the original doctor coming back.) Complementary health professionals also have a few who are LL. It is a key distinction that should also include knowledge and experience with all tick-borne illness (TBI) or tick-borne disease (TBD) as well as understanding of the body systems and organs which each of the infections attacks or alters.
As well, they need to know what supplements may help support the body during treatment (i.e. milk thistle can help protect the liver and many medical articles show that). I also think it's helpful it the LLMD can communicate with a patient's naturopathic physician or acupuncturist, understanding the concepts of detox and support of adrenal function, etc. as well as the properties of some of the common herbal supplements and vitamins.
And, as well, the patient has the responsibility to maintain the best health habits they can.
Doctors and patients need to understand what is needed in order to fully treat until a person is well. LLMDs also have come to know that a person with TBI presents with an array of symptoms mostly unknown to the medical books or their previous training.
This requires a great deal of work and continued learning. I think most typical doctors simply were not expecting this. None of us were, but reality hit. Some folks step up to the plate, other run for the cotton candy.
The Clinical Advisor is a monthly journal for nurse practitioners and physician assistants in primary care.
From the May 2007 issue of Clinical Advisor
CONTROVERSY CONTINUES TO FUEL THE "LYME WAR'' By Virginia Savely, RN, FNP-C
As two medical societies battle over its diagnosis and treatment, Lyme disease remains a frequently missed illness. Here is how to spot and treat it.
Controversy over the treatment of a particular disease is not uncommon. There are many illnesses for which there are different schools of thought and more than one treatment method--e.g., heart disease, prostate cancer, and breast cancer.
When it comes to Lyme disease, a bacterial infection caused by the corkscrew-shaped spirochete ,Borrelia burgdorferi, the battle lines are particularly distinct, and the opposing viewpoints reach vitriolic proportions, to the ultimate detriment of the patients.
Lyme disease, which is most commonly acquired through the bite of an infected tick, has been reported in every state and has become the most common vectorborne disease in the United States
. In 2005, the CDC received reports of 23,305 cases, resulting in a national average of 7.9 cases for every 100,000 persons.
In the 10 states where the infection is most common, the average was 31.6 cases for every 100,000 persons. The CDC estimates that the disease is grossly underreported, probably by a factor of 10.
Meet the players ****************
The opponents in the battle over the diagnosis and treatment of Lyme disease are the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA), the largest national organization of general infectious disease specialists, and
the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS), an organization made up of physicians from many specialties.
IDSA maintains that Lyme disease is relatively rare, overdiagnosed, difficult to contract, easy to diagnose through blood testing, and straightforward to treat (www.journals.uchicago.edu/CID/journal/issues/v43n9/40897/40897.html. Accessed April 6, 2007).
ILADS, by contrast, asserts that the illness is much more common than reported, underdiagnosed, easier to contract than previously believed, difficult to diagnose through commercial blood tests, and difficult to treat, especially when treatment is delayed because of commonly encountered diagnostic difficulties (www.ilads.org /guidelines.html. Accessed April 6, 2007).
Diagnosis: Where it all begins *****************************
If all cases were detected and treated in the early stages of Lyme disease, the debate over the diagnosis and treatment of late-stage disease would not be an issue, and devastating rheumatologic, neurologic, and cardiac complications could be avoided. However, Lyme disease is often missed during its early stage when it could be most easily treated (Table 1).
Since the deer tick is no larger than the period at the end of this sentence, it is not surprising that people frequently do not realize they've been bitten. In a hairy part of the body, the tick is almost impossible to see, and even when it is noticed, it is often mistaken for a mole or scab.
When the tick latches on, it injects salivary components that anesthetize the area and decrease inflammation at the site of the bite, leaving the victim unaware of the tick's presence and allowing it to feast undisturbed.
The erythema migrans (EM) rash is commonly known as the ``bull's-eye'' rash for its characteristic shape.
The CDC maintains that a patient presenting with a bull's-eye rash does NOT require testing for Lyme disease because the rash is diagnostic in its own right.
However, the rash does not always present in the classic pattern of concentric, round, red circles. EMs can be oval in shape and/or solid in color, with shades of pink, purple, and red.
The rash may or may not contain pustules, itch, feature a dark spot in the middle, or have a denuded center. The size varies from that of a quarter to 12 in or more.
Some victims develop a diffuse rash over the entire body. EMs are commonly misdiagnosed as spider bites, cellulitis, or ringworm. To complicate matters further, as many as half the people who acquire Lyme disease from a tick bite develop NO RASH at all.
Frequently, a clinician mistakenly assumes that there are no Borrelia-carrying ticks in the patient's geographic area and fails to include the disease in the appropriate differential diagnosis. Lyme disease should be considered regardless of where a patient lives.
Ticks are carried on numerous animals, including household pets, rodents, deer, and birds, so it is little wonder that Lyme disease-transmitting ticks are not confined to a few distinct geographic areas.
A travel history should be obtained to determine whether the patient has recently traveled to a particularly Lyme-endemic area (the northeastern United States, north-central United States, and the Pacific coastal region).
Most clinicians are not familiar with the varied signs and symptoms of Lyme disease (Table 2), and this contributes to misdiagnosis (Table 3).
Children may present differently than adults, with predominant symptoms being changes in behavior and school performance.
In affected children, parents typically report mood swings, irritability, obsessive-compulsive behavior, and new-onset attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder. Physical symptoms in children may include fatigue, frequent headaches or stomachaches, urinary symptoms, and migratory musculoskeletal pains.
When a patient presents with a collage of seemingly unrelated symptoms, there is a natural tendency to assume that a psychological component is at play. Patients with Lyme disease almost always have negative results on standard blood screening tests and have no remarkable findings on physical exam, so they are frequently referred to mental-health professionals for evaluation.
The testing conundrum *********************
The CDC is aware of the insensitivity of the tests for Lyme disease and encourages clinicians to use judgment rather than a test result to make the diagnosis (www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid /lyme/ld_humandisease_diagnosis.htm. Accessed April 5, 2007).
As previously mentioned, however, most clinicians do not feel confident in making this judgment call and continue to look to unreliable test results for confirmation of disease.
The Western blot test **********************
Because B. burgdorferi is an extremely difficult bacterium to culture in the lab, testing has relied on detection of antibodies to the organism. The Lyme enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA) gives a titer of total immunoglobulin (Ig) G and M antibodies and is currently the accepted initial screen for suspected disease.
Since a screening test should have at least 90% sensitivity, the 65% sensitivity of the commercial Lyme ELISA should lead to its reconsideration as an acceptable screening tool .
The Western blot, which is commonly used as a confirmatory test for Lyme disease, is more sensitive than the ELISA.
While the CDC has published strict criteria for positivity on the Western blot to make a more exclusive cohort for epidemiologic purposes, it never intended for these criteria to be used for diagnosis. Unfortunately, the restrictive criteria omit several of the important bands on the blot that are highly sensitive markers for the presence of B. burgdorferi (see ``Interpreting the Western blot,'').
Clinicians should become acquainted with the relative sensitivity and specificity of each of the bands on the blot to make an appropriate assessment for diagnostic purposes.
A negative test based on epidemiologic criteria may be a positive test for diagnostic purposes.
Treatment dilemmas ******************
The Lyme spirochete presents a formidable adversary. With more than 1,500 gene sequences, B. burgdorferi is genetically one of the most sophisticated bacteria ever studied.
Treponema pallidum (the spirochete responsible for syphilis), for example, has 22 functioning genes whereas the Lyme disease spirochete has 132.
Borrelia burgdorferi's stealth pathology makes eradication of the disseminated organism a near impossibility.
Before the tick delivers its inoculum of spirochetes into the host, it injects a substance that inhibits the immune response, allowing the spirochete to gain a strong foothold. The spirochete itself secretes enzymes that help it to replicate and infect the host.
Once disseminated throughout the body, B. burgdorferi secludes itself and becomes difficult to detect through laboratory testing--and by the host's immune system. The bacterium may hide in its host's WBCs or cloak itself with host proteins.
Furthermore, it tends to hide in areas not usually under immune surveillance, such as scar tissue, the central nervous system, the eyes, and deep in joints and other tissues.
Phase and antigenic variations allow B. burgdorferi to change into pleomorphic forms to evade the immune system and antibiotics.
The three known forms are the spiral shape that has a cell wall, the cell-wall-deficient form known as the ``L-form'' (named not for its shape but for Joseph Lister, the scientist who first identified these types of cells), and the dormant or latent cyst form.
Encapsulating itself into the inactive cyst form enables the spirochete to hide undetected in the host for months, years, or decades until some form of immune suppression initiates a signal that it is safe for the cysts to open and the spirochetes to come forth and multiply .
Each of these forms is affected by different types of antibiotics. If an antibiotic targets the bacterium's cell wall, the spirochete will quickly morph into a cell-wall-deficient form or cyst form to evade the chemical enemy.
Borrelia burgdorferi has an in vitro replication cycle of about seven days, one of the longest of any known bacteria.
Antibiotics are most effective during bacterial replication, so the more cycles during a treatment, the better.
Since the life cycle of Streptococcus pyogenes (the bacterium that causes strep throat) is about eight hours, antibiotic treatment for a standard 10 days would cover 30 life cycles.
To treat Lyme disease for a comparable number of life cycles, treatment would need to last 30 weeks.
Within the tick gut are hundreds of different types of pathogens. How many infect humans is unknown.
Some have been identified and are known to intensify morbidity and complicate treatment of Lyme disease.
Awareness of three coinfecting genuses in particular--Ehrlichia, Bartonella, and Babesia--has increased, and persistent infection with these organisms has been described.
Testing for and treating these coinfections has become part of the approach for clinicians who specialize in the treatment of Lyme disease.
Treatment methods *****************
IDSA guidelines recommend treating certain high-risk tick bites with a prophylactic single dose of doxycycline. This is recommended only if the tick is clearly a deer tick that was attached for 36 hours or more, the patient was in an endemic area, and if treatment can be started within 72 hours of the time the tick was removed.
Most ILADS practitioners treat any high-risk tick bite with a full month of doxycycline.
If a patient presents with EM or has a positive Lyme test, IDSA guidelines recommend treating with either doxycycline, cefuroxime, or amoxicillin for 10-21 days.
All other antibiotics are specifically not recommended. After the prescribed amount of time, treatment is discontinued whether symptoms remain or not.
However, if symptoms remain severe after the patient has been off the antibiotics for a few months, treatment with another two to four weeks can be considered. One month of IV antibiotics is recommended for severe arthritis or neurologic disease.
IDSA stresses that persistent symptoms do NOT indicate chronic infection and that prescribing long-term antibiotics to patients unresponsive to the typical two- to four-week course is USELESS and potentially harmful.
``There is no convincing biologic evidence for the existence of symptomatic chronic B. burgdorferi infection among patients after receipt of recommended treatment regimens for Lyme disease,'' the guidelines state.
``Antibiotic therapy has not proven to be useful and is not recommended for patients with chronic (six months or longer) subjective symptoms after recommended treatment regimens for Lyme disease.''
Patients who continue to suffer from persistent fatigue, pain, and cognitive disturbances after a traditional short course of antibiotics are rare, the IDSA panel claims.
These patients have developed ``post-Lyme syndrome,'' probably due to an immune system that cannot shut down after the infection is gone. This syndrome can only be treated with symptomatic care and tincture of time.
ILADS, on the other hand, promotes the idea that the Lyme spirochete is very hard to eradicate and persistent symptoms are due to ongoing infection.
This organization's approach is to treat with antibiotics as long as symptoms remain. Off-label combinations are often used based on clinical experience.
Variable response to antibiotics and occasional antibiotic resistance are thought due to the fact that there are over 100 strains of B. burgdorferi in the United States and 300 strains worldwide .
Since the Lyme spirochete is adaptive and morphs to a new cell type when under stress, clinicians who advocate aggressive, long-term treatment support giving two or three different classes of antibiotics at the same time and changing the treatment protocol every two to three months.
Higher-than-normal doses of antibiotics are given to achieve better penetration of both the tissue and the blood-brain barrier.
IM injections of long-acting penicillin or IV administration of antibiotics are recommended for patients with neurologic disease.
Precedent for the safety of long-term antibiotic use has shown that the benefits outweigh the risks.
According to ILADS, treatment is complicated by the frequent presence of coinfections, which can intensify symptoms and prolong treatment.
Therefore, antibiotics that target the coinfections are usually prescribed prior to or along with those that treat Lyme disease.
Table 4 lists treatment options used by ILADS clinicians to target the various forms of the B. burgdorferi bacterium, and Table 5 lists treatment options for the most common coinfections.
Occasionally, Jarisch-Herxheimer reactions complicate Lyme disease treatment. These symptom intensifications are due to elevated cytokines and toxins released during B. burgdorferi die-off.
Many patients notice that symptoms occur cyclically (every 21-28 days). When these intensification reactions occur, the treatment can be temporarily worse than the disease.
It is difficult to decide when to stop treating Lyme disease since there is no test that demonstrates a cure.
Because of the lack of simple culture techniques and the low sensitivity of antibody tests, a negative test does not rule out infection.
Treatment cessation is based on symptom resolution, which means that symptoms may return if the infection has not been eradicated.
The road ahead **************
Rather than shy away from the complexities and controversies of Lyme disease, clinicians should welcome the chance to learn about this condition. Lyme disease is much more prevalent than most realize. Clinician education will reduce patient suffering and hopefully put an end to the ``Lyme War.''
------------------ For a list of references used in this article, contact the editor via e-mail ([email protected]) or telephone (646.638.6077).
Ms. Savely is the owner of TBD Medical Associates in San Francisco. She is a nurse practitioner who specializes in treatment of Lyme disease and other tickborne illnesses.
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LLMDs vary in speciality. They CAN be anything.
LLMDs have expereince treating lyme/coinfections. They do not rely on tests. They will diagnose lyme and coinfections clinically because they know the tests suck.
LLMDs have hearts and listen to there patients. In my expereince ducks only seem to listen to their egos.
LLMDs believe in CHRONIC lyme disease and do not subscribe to idsa guidlines.
They may be a member of ILADS.(but not necessarily)
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a dr without knowledge of how to treat lyme/coinfections but willingness to learn and try to help the patient I think would be considered lyme friendly (which is still good - some places even lyme friendly is difficult to immpossible to come by)
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I've learned the hard way to pose an open-ended question and listen to their answer.
Rather than "do you treat lyme?" which got me into doctors that said, YES, but then really didn't at all.
I would now ask "How do you treat lyme?" then . . . "How would you treat lyme in the later stages?" . . . and "how would you address coinfections?"
If they are vague, you can ask a specific question and get a sense of how much they know.
Also asking which professional organizations and seminars they've attended - or their favorite book or author - related to TBI.
- Asking members of a lyme support group might be good and you can sometimes have a short phone appt. with a doctor before making an actual appointment. That can save lots of time and effort. Some may just talk with you for a minute, some can schedule up to 15 minutes at a pro-rated fee (not usually covered by insurance) but well worth it.
If you have any special accommodations you can first talk to the office manager (no fluorescent lights or no ringing phone or loud sounds... no scented products . . . new carpet or fresh paint? - when are the quieter times?)
BettyG just last week had a list of questions for the doctor . I'll see if I can find it.
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To me, the acronym says what it is "Lyme Literate" literate means able to read.
it means they have read about lyme. I am not saying other doctors are illerate, I am sure they are able to read, they just do not read about lyme
if they did read all the studies out there and knew how to interpret a scientific study, then they would logically come to the conclusin that the ILADs guidelines are the correct ones
there is no logical explanation why anyone would come to the conclusion that the IDSA guideleines are correct. they are based on flawed science.
unfortunately, most doctors have not taken the time to sit and read all the studies out there about lyme, and just take the IDSA word for it.
I understand why. most dr's do not have time. it took me many years to read it all.
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