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I do know my LLMD told me "you have about six months to get better, after that all you'll be offered is morphine."
And his LLMD nurse said if there was a public option she'd find a new line of work.
I really hope there is a solution out there, that can help the 30 million uninsured and let those that like their plan keep it. I really do.
There may be some drs. out there that would welcome a public option. That would be a good thing.
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I guess they will have to get looking then.
I don't buy it at all. I believe the 62% number.
Like I am sure all these people who went to college are just going to throw it all away.
Like they are really going to just quit and not even wait and see how it affects them.
All my doctors have told me that change is inevitable and that we need change. As the article states, 62% are in favor of having both options, so all this talk about doctors quitting and nurses quitting seems ridiculous to me.
And, with all of the so many available jobs out there, where do you think they will be working????
Scare tactic 101.
Don't buy into it.
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"Just Demand your Rights" Posts: 869 | From nor - cal | Registered: Apr 2008
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quote:Originally posted by liesandmorelies: Topic: 62% OF DOCTORS SUPPORT PUBLIC & PRIVATE PLANS
Look, I don't even care how big percentage of doctors or anybody say they support or against the reform. I just care that those uninsured population deserves a means to go see a doctor when they are in pain and suffering medically, whether it is public or private. If the private cannot provide solution to cover everyone, then it is going to be public, right?
There has to be a bottomline somewhere, folks. Aren't we all having a first hand experience of what the pain and suffering is like? How can we come here seeking solution for our pain and suffering without acknowledging the needs for others to do so? I am not getting it.
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I agree. If you have read my past posts on various threads you will see that what I ultimately care about is that every American have an affordable option offered to them.
I do Not For Profit work and am a Professional and Non-Professional Fundraiser and Child Advocate. I see a lot(more than I like to most days). I will never turn my back on the needs of innocent children and adults who need basic healthcare.
Currently there are no affordable options and I too know people that don't and can't get coverage for various reasons. It breaks my heart.
I don't like throwing statistics around, but only brought up this article to show that there are other polls that show quite the opposite of the 45% poll.
I really do not think that current doctors/nurses are just going to give up their whole careers because of a new "option". And what prey tell work would they go in to??? Like there are so many jobs available right now.
I also agree with you that as Lyme victims we are indeed having first hand experience of pain and suffering on different levels and agree that is why I for one feel so passionately about this subject.
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liesandmorelies - I totally know what you are saying. I salute to your not-for-profit work. Keep it up. A lot of people need help, and it is going to be a lot more...
Take care!
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Yes, I am concerned as the data reports keep coming out showing more and more small businesses are doing away with their healthcare benefits.
I do not blame the small businesses as it has gotten out of control in regards to what they are having to pay for coverage for their employees. They are not able to buy in the big bulk volumes like the larger Corps and even they are having a tough time.
If something is not done, the 47 million uninsured could grow exponentially, thus costing our country much larger amounts of money in the end, not to speak of the many that will not be able to receive adequate services and preventative care etc....
Our country is growing in numbers and this problem is not just going to go away.
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The AMA only represents 17% of doctors just as the ANA doesn't represent most practicing nurses.
The doctors do not agree with the current coding and reimbursemt of either the insurance plans or Medicare/Medicaid
They agree some type of reform is needed, esp on the needless lawsuits,
Unless you work in the field you have no idea what goes on there
As I have said before, give the government contol of our healthcare and those of us with Lyme will be dead meat.
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You miss read the article. Only one part of the article refers to the ANA in which it states that 62.2% support both options.
The bulk of the findings that the New England Journal of Medicine published says that based on a large cross section not just ANA doctors said that 62.9% support public and private options.
Read the following again and you will see what I am talking about. This report was not just a poll from ANA doctors, Who by the way normally do not support a plan like this, but do under our current healthcare circumstances.
I have family and friends that are both nurses and doctors and I have worked with many ppl who have been shunned by the current system. Everyone I talk to says we not only need reform, but major reform. The current system is a wreck.
The government does not want to control your healthcare. You can keep your plan if you are so happy with it.
PS I do agree with the article you posted in that I don't think co-ops will work at all.
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quote:Originally posted by Renee K: As I have said before, give the government contol of our healthcare and those of us with Lyme will be dead meat.
How so? Most llmds don't take insurance and everyone pays cash to them already. I am not making any conection at all here.
And the truth is that gov. is not controling your healthcare. It adds to the competition. Read the actual proposal please. We are going in a circle here.
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That they will use the IDSA guidelines as the standard of care for Lyme Treatment and punish any provider who works outside the lines
Go to the Calda Lyme site , they have the same opinion
They already set up a "review panel" of 28 government appointed people, only one will be a physician, that panel will review "best practices" and be able to punish anyone not following those practices
Gee, isn't that what's happening with the IDSA guidelines
And if you would read the Sermo blog further, it isn't just about the co-ops
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I have a feeling what you referred to is outside the healthcare reform. The government regulation does not have to be part of the healthcare reform, really. And I am not too fond of government regulation myself, but I also acknowledge the needs for some regulations.
If everything is dependent on corporates, we will all be breathing chemicals, eating genetically modified foods, and drinking polluted water for the profit is the only thing any "sustainable" company will care about.
So I hear you but I respectfully think you have confuised the two issues.
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You have in the past helpped me tremendously and I have a lot of respect to you. I am catching you here again to say "thank you".
Now, whatever the poll says (or rather I think whatever the doctors sentiment is for not knowing what's in the proposal at the moment), I have not found any credible hostorical data of this country or any other country to support the notion that a government policy will alter a nearly 40% of professional in one industry to switch their career.
My feeling is that, after these doctors have paid to go through medical schools for all these years and have been making a pretty decent living all along, they are not going to switch any time soon.
They might say they will, I doubt it.
Besides, what else can they do? Sweeping floors of someone's house?
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have a feeling what you referred to is outside the healthcare reform
No, this panel was already set up in the stimulus bill to be implemented in full once they got the healthcare reform bill passed before the recess.
Unfortunately for them many people caught onto the horrible stuff in this plan and it was held back
Now no one knows what is going to be in any plan and they don't want to let the public know
There is a grand plan for government control leading to a nationaized system if you follow everything the "progressives" want to do
All this lobbying and behind the scenes deals with AARP, Big Pharma, selected insurance companies and the AMA, ANA was to get them to go along with "reform" use them to get the plans through and then throw them under the bus just like they will with the rest of us
Care about people? No way.
That is my opinion and I have a right to it.
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Now no one knows what is going to be in any plan and they don't want to let the public know
I am not sure why you insist that they don't want anyone knows what is in the proposal. The actual proposal in PDF is everywhere. You never found one to read it and understand yourself? Seems to me if you are very scared, you would find the document to read it. And they are much easier than any of the Lyme information, I can tell you that.
I would simply suggest you to read the actual proposal, instead of other biased medias.
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How much more time do you think one needs to read the bill if they really want to engage?
72 more hours? They should ask those 47 millions who are still needing medical care and those many more millions who are being denied their insurance coverage for permission to continue to wait...
The proposal is everywheer. Go read it while spending time asking for more time.
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That's why it requires people sitting in the room while the discussion is on.
I know I can't give my boss the excuse that I walked out the room and lost the trend of what's being discussed. Should we also ask our congressional leaders to do the same. And tell me how many staff they have in their disposal? I have have a 1/5 secretary in my work.
What's the next excuse? From "death panel" to now the request for 72 more hours is quite an evolution in such a short spend of time, if you ask me.
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quote:Originally posted by wtl: That's why it requires people sitting in the room while the discussion is on.
I know I can't give my boss the excuse that I walked out the room and lost the trend of what's being discussed. Should we also ask our congressional leaders to do the same. And tell me how many staff they have in their disposal? I have have a 1/5 secretary in my work.
What's the next excuse? From "death panel" to now the request for 72 more hours is quite an evolution in such a short spend of time, if you ask me.
It comes back to politics. The Dems haven't allowed the Republicans to be involved in writing or adjusting the bill right now. The bill has been written in committees and perhaps even outside congress.
Also, Sarah Palin used the term "death panel" to bring attention to the issue. She is a private citizen.
This request for 72 hours comes from Republican members of congress, and I think it is a very reasonable request.
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I read the article. It was combative. Alot of name-calling.
To suggest that those opposed to a non-specific government sponsored health care plan are opposed to the idea of health care reform in general and specifically to the idea that all Americans get the medical care they need is just plain inflammatory.
Articles like this one (on both sides) just fuel this fire.
I've just skimmed the comments here, so I'm sorry if I'm repeating anyone:
How can I support any proposal when I don't know what it says. The ideas are vague; there is no specificity.
72 hours to review the final draft doesn't seem like too much to... "ask" ?
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As I said, the article was posted as a rebuttal to the other article that said 45% of doctors would quit if the current plan passes. A little extreme don't you think.
The sad thing is, many ppl think that will really happen. My point was to make people think about whether or not 4.5 out of 10 doctors are going to quit if Obama's plan passes. That is ludicrous.
Then, to make matters worse, you even have ppl here say that this article states that 38% of doctors would quit.
This article says no such thing about quitting, yet ppl misconstrue information and again say things that just aren't so.
The article was talking about doctors who support both a public option along with private options. It does not even discuss whether doctors would quit or not if a new plan passes. So here again, you can see how rebuttals are needed to educate people.
It's important to squelch things that are not true so that people know the truth.
I find nothing combative, rather this article showed the truth about what the original article regarding 45% of doctors quitting is.
I don't the New England Journal of Medicine is being "combative" when they compiled very scientific findings that were unbiased and included large cross-sections of doctors.
Just because you may not like what the article brings out, does not make it combative.
Would it be right for us to just accept an article that states that 45% of doctors are going to quit when they aren't???? It would be irresponsible not to post the truth.
You said that you can't support a proposal when you don't know that it says:
I would suggest ppl read the plan now. The plan has been available to read for a long time now and whenever there are changes you can read them.
All I know is that the ppl I talk to who support the plan are constantly encouraging ppl to read the plan. I have never heard anyone in favor of it not willing to discuss the specifics of the plan, rather quite the opposite.
We are willing to discuss it and hope ppl will read it, because we believe if ppl really read it, they will see it does not say a lot of what is out there in the media and what the Right is trying to say it says.
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