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Beverly
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What do you guys think, because I know chickens eat alot of ticks?
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I guess nobody wants to talk about chickens tonight!hehehe
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Hey Beverly,
I'll talk chickens with you. I have chickens!! Last year the state health dept. came and bought all our chickens because the neighborhood turkey farm had an outbreak of Mycoplasma _____ (something)! It was an airborn desease with VERY many similarities (symptom wise) as Lyme. They said people couldn't get it from the birds, but sometimes I wonder if they really know. As far as Lyme goes, I have never seen a chicken with a tick embedded in them -- don't know why when we definately have them (on the dog, cat, etc.). As far as them digesting them --not sure how their digestion system works, but it is scarey thinking it could turn up in their eggs. So, I guess I really can't tell you much, even though one might think a person with chickens might know more. I guess I'm an ignorant chicken owner.

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Thanks pb for the chicken talk. Keeter mentioned something about chickens never getting lyme and I started wondering about it. I guess we will never know for sure until they stop putting antibiotics in their food. Then maybe they might get sick. Who Knows!!!
Don't worry about not knowing, my sister has about 30 chickens and she couln't tell me either!!

Beverly


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Did you think about getting the transfer factor/colostrum from the chickens and taking this? I've read about this and I wonder if it works. If they have the antibodies to fight it, I wonder if we could take their antibodies. Has anyone heard of someone being successful with this?
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Beverly
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Liebekim, That was what I was thinking about the chicken's antibodies. I read something about a lizard in California who has antibodies to the lyme bacteria so I wonder if the chicken does too?? Who knows what the may find out!
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I have a question.....what is this chicken colostrum?
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I think we need Liebekim back to figure that one out. So far Dictionary says: The thin yellowish fluid secreted by the mammary glands at the time of parturition.
Sounds like breast milk to me and I don't think chickens do that so I am lost!!

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Don't know about chickens though I am thinking of getting guinea hens to help keep the tick population down. They are supposed to eat close to their weight in ticks every day.

My vet said that cats have a natural immunity to ticks and that there are very few cases of cats getting lyme disease.

Anybody out there have a cat with lyme? Just wondering as I worry about my cat.

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Hi njwoman,
I want to get guinea hens too. Only problem I have is I would have to ask my neighbors permission because they are so loud and will not stay just on your own property.
It is a interesting question about cats. I really don't know for sure but my sister has cats outside all the time{they eat all her mice!} many have been bitten by ticks but so far none of her cats are sick! Personally I keep my cat indoors.

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quote:
Originally posted by Beverly:
Hi njwoman,
I want to get guinea hens too. Only problem I have is I would have to ask my neighbors permission because they are so loud and will not stay just on your own property.
It is a interesting question about cats. I really don't know for sure but my sister has cats outside all the time{they eat all her mice!} many have been bitten by ticks but so far none of her cats are sick! Personally I keep my cat indoors.


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Aren't guinea fowl those chickens with itty-bitty heads?!! I wondered what those birds were! problem here is that the fox and coyote find them too yummy!!!! sort of like going to MickyD's for nuggets!!.........I think I'm hungry...........

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Yes Sizzled I think they have really small heads! But I have never actually seen one!
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I'm sorry I started this but fooling around & not saying that I was.

But it has developed into an interesting thread.

Guinea Fowl are wierd, they have bare heads like a turkey, or a vulture, & the feathers are a mix of black & white, so that they look sort of like they are wearing
hound's tooth check, or tweed.
We had them when I was very little, so I don't remember much about them.


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Keeter, thanks for describing it for me.
And for the input!


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Here are some pictures of guinea fowl.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9463/GuineaFowlDonatedPhotos.htm

and here is an article on guinea fowl and ticks.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9463/Ticks.html

I wonder about the neighbors too. I live on 2 1/4 very secluded acres. I was going to claim the 5th if anyone complained and just say "someone must have dropped them off and I don't mind having them around because they eat ticks". Then if the neighbors really hate them, they can get rid of them. We also have foxes and coyotes but, I'd rather have them go for the birds than my cat who I adore. I can't keep the cat in though, he would just go nuts. The site where I linked to also talks about them and says you need to get them when they are very young or they just take off. Bet the cat would like guinea chicks, so that could be a problem.

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Beverly
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Hey njwoman thanks for the information!
I could try to talk to my neighbors. Who knows they might agree if I could get one to stay on my property. It is worth a try.
I know what you mean about your cat going nuts if it had to stay indoors. I had one like that too, broke right through my screen just to get out!!!
I worry about foxes and coyote here too!{That's why I won't let my cat out!}
Thanks for the input!

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Who said "no-one wants to talk about chickens" Looks like you have a hen house full.....couldn't resist.hahahaha close to myself Lyndak
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You made my day Lynda K!!!!!!!!!!
HaHaHa

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Mine Too!
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Just call my name, I'll be there.. toooo funny, I had fun today and learned alot in the process, nice talking to you. I really am a 44 year old chicken, with 1 chick and a young rooster and an old cock-a doodle-doo of a husband. talk with you tomorrow or later tonight. peace, LyndaK or Lynda K
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I'm guessing here but research has proved that robins are capable of recovery in about 3 mos; so probably that would apply to other birds. I had Guinea hens years ago; fun bird. They used to stalk our guests when we sat on the patio. Yep, they're vulnerable to coyotes & dogs; but they gotta catch them first, & they're fast! They like to roost in trees. They come in several colors too. Supposedly, ticks are their favorite food; but think all fowl would be the same?


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Hi Susie Q,
I appreciate the feedback and input. There is always something to learn! Had no idea about Robins recovering in 3 months, but it sure is nice to know!
Take Care,
Beverly

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Hi there. I'm so sorry that I haven't replied sooner. I've been trying to enjoy summer on some of my days.

The chickens are injected with your blood a few times and once they lay an egg, it has the exact colostrum that you need for your body. Colostrum is what comes out the first few weeks in baby's milk. It gives you a chance to fight diseases and is responsible for building your immune system.

I was not breastfed. So, I'm seriously thinking of doing it. I'm not sure if it will work. I can get in touch with a couple farmers who send a month's worth of eggs. They charge you for the service, of course. You need to get a doctor to take blood and send it the farmer a couple times. I'm afraid of the farmer screwing up and injecting someone elses blood into my chicken. I don't think it's fool proof unless you do it yourself. I don't know anything about raising chickens and how to inject them. So, I don't know if I'll do it.

But, it sounds like it would help a lot.

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Lieb~ I am so sorry I am dense today. I don't understand your post. Chickens don't have colostrum they do not have milk and that is what colostrum is. Do you mean you eat the eggs and the eggs have immunity?

On the question of the antibiotics for the chickens. From my understanding the chickens get a terrible few respiratory diseases that will wipe out an entire flock in a matter of days....this is why the antibiotics (usually tetracycline) are put in their water feed. It is a weak solution that I believe they give a certain number of days and not everyday. If they had immunity to the abx, then they would constantly die off from the diseases.....and there would be no chickens in the grocery store. Hope I am making sense here?


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Hi,Chickens have a very hot body temp,they have a resistance to a lot of bacteria that simply can't take the heat.Probably Lyme gets the hot foot in the chicken. MADDOG
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I have chickens, guineas, turkeys, ducks and geese, and all of them eat ticks and none of them have ever seen an antibiotic in their life. It makes sense - everything I have read says that the tick does not become poisonous to us until it has been embedded for a good time. Also, the spirochetes go right into the bloodstream.

All the fowl I mewntioned before swallows ticks and then GRINDS them up in the very hard stomach as well as acidify them and then out they go. Maybe if they had bleeding ulcers they might get sick. But I am sure eating a tick is not the same as getting bitten by one. It mixes with all sorts of chemicals in the stomach of fowl. Maybe we wouldn't get sick either if we ate them. It might even be that eating them works like a dead vaccine.
I have heard of cats with lyme and I have a German Shepherd with lyme. Him and me, we got it together the same month. That's when I brought in the chickens, guineas and turkeys. All of the fowl eat ticks and I haven't seen one in a long time. Birds eat them too and putting up a bird feeder and waterer will be helpful. The birds will still be looking for protein supplements.(ticks)

Turkeys are a good choice as long as you stay away from the white ones and the bronze - they have been bred for food production and do not function properly anymore, and almost always die because their hips give out. But the Bourbons are great for this, they stay home and they are wonderful scavengers and the eggs are wonderful (lay only in the spring though).

If you have any fowl questions - or other animal questions - I am very knowledgeable about animals.


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Seems Maddog is right, chickens have a temp of over 107deg....but these seem to say that chickens DO get lyme
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol6no2/richter.htm
http://www.chicken.org.au/pests.html#Ticks
http://www.urbanext.uiuc.edu/eggs/res08-whatis.html

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Liebekim- If you actually do it let me know!

Maddog- Thanks for letting me know about the temperature of chickens.

Annette- If I have any questions about animals I'll know who to ask. It was interesting about how they actually chewed up the ticks!

Meg- I think my question was answered.....it's the FEED! Thanks for all those links too!


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Chickens and other fowl have an organ called the gizzard.(Quite tasty when cooked and chopped up and served in the gravy.) The reason they peck up stones and gravel and sand is so that the gizzard can use that to help grind up the food.
I only recently learned that dogs can suffer from babesia - prevalent in grey hounds. Of course, they do have an effective medication just for dogs.
Does anyone know if dogs can get Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever and/or Ehrlichiosis or Tulerimia or any other tick-borne disease?
Thanks,
Ann

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I just read more of this thread. Chickens are not mammals. Only mammals would produce colostrum. Even though we both have only two legs, humans are not closely related to chickens!
Biology is a very complicated subject. (I won't get into why they had to kill all those chickens in China because of the flu danger!)
I don't think anyone has tried to infect a chicken with Lyme disease and then test the eggs to see if some good benefit could come from eating them.
The only guy who tried that with mammals infected cows in Wisconsin and then sold their colostrum and was prosecuted for practicing medicine without a license. Since then there are others working with what is called the transfer factor, but I am not sure how far that research has gone. I think the Bowen Institute in Florida is involved as well as some others in the Midwest.
Art probably has some good info on that.

Ann


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I hope Liebekim reads what you posted awh3336. I can't believe that they can do that to you! {practicing medicine without a license}

I don't know about dogs and the other Tick-borne diseases, I wish I could help.


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Hi,

I don't know much about chickens, but it occured to me that not ALL chickens are on antibiotics - organically farmed ones aren't. So, I wonder if they are better or worse.

DLL


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Hey Beverly,

Talkin' chickens tonight huh???

We had at one time around 70 chickens, turkeys and guinies. I have never heard of a chicken contracting LD from eating ticks. But not certain of this.

Guinies are great to have around of course until they become lunch for the foxes and coyote.

Cats on the other hand can contract LD. My cat has LD, he was bit a few years ago by a deer tick. he became very aggressive, cranky, never purred, you couldn't touch him without him screeching. When I started to treat him for Lyme, he got alot better. And he does herx from the ax. I give him about 15mg of amox a week. He is doing so much better now, he stared purring again, he's just a different cat altogether.

If cats can get LD I'am sure dogs can too. My vet does treat both cats and dogs for LD not sure about any co-infections.

Lisi

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Hey Lizzy,

This is a really old post..from way back when..LOL
I hope Sugar is feeling better.

PS: I heard what you said in the other post..more blonde hmmm???


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Anyway - chickens are one meat we don't generally eat rare, so maybe it's safer than any other meat, because we make sure it's well done.

Beef might be more riskyu.

DLL


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