17hens
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Thank you for sharing this!
I shared it with my brother. He just replied with, "Interesting, except the author's take on Deet makes me question the other stuff. If you spray deet on your tent, pack, etc, it'll eat through the material."
Hmmmm. How can we test stuff like this out? If it doesn't work, we get tick bit. Any volunteers?
And I'm not just talking about this article only. We've all shared info on tick repellents, including myself, but who really knows what works and what doesn't?
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With the spring coming my husband and I were discussing this. We are going to go with Daminex Tubes, and Perm spray for clothing I have already. What about the exposed skin on our children?? I cringe thinking about my 6 year old wanting to go outside and play.
Yesterday we were out and we walked by the stream by our house, she rode her bike and skooter. She even insisted on having a picnic. I thought I would have a heart attack. Not sure what to do. I cannot live in fear like this.
Then there is our summer house, my Grandfather built it over 60 years ago. Right on the LI Sound. I spent every summer of my life there. How do I tell my daughters we are never going back ?? How do I get it ready to put up for sale??? I spent my summers in a wonderful summer community, that now is nothing more than a "tick box" It just breaks my heart.
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I was not created with a spirit of fear. God just reminded me
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17hens
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quote:Originally posted by fflutterby: I was not created with a spirit of fear. God just reminded me
Your words just brought me to my knees. I am also fighting this terrible spirit of fear. Most days I can battle it. Today it's everywhere I turn and I can't escape it.
Heaven will have no fear. That's something to look forward to.
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re: the artical
i hope the natural stuff does work. in the past i haven't found any that did. deet doesn't work on ticks either. i don't know how they can advertise that it does. once someone told me if a tick was exposed to deet for 3 days it would die. wt_??? the tick would have infected you and dropped off by then
HOW CAN THEY TELL PPL DEET WILLPROTECT THEM???
tom grier wrote a paper a long time ago showing deet didn't work and permethrin did
for the last 15 yrs permetrhin is the only thin gthat worked for me and i guess i was in very endemic areas because if i forgot to put it on the dog or if they took it out of a product i used with out me knowing (frontline plus) i immediately started to see ticks on the dogs and me and the house etc
when the permethrin was on the dog i never saw a tick ticks curl up and die within 6 inches of it...so i guess just running around in the yard and house and bed (they slept with me) enough of it kept the ticks away
PERMETRHIN has serious complications if you don;t use it right tho...so EDUCATE YOURSELF
now-the times they are a changin. instead of my 20 lb schnauzers who died...i now have a 4 lb puppy and she can't tolerate the permetrhin. i almost lost her using it. so i did got to health food store and buy products similar to the above concoction...and i truely hope it will work. i dread the future when my puppy wants to be out more if i can't control the ticks.
i bought:
a shampoo and spray for bed with d-Limonene(orange peel ext)
a spray on repellent with: lemongrass, cinnamon, seseme and castor oils
hope they work...but i don't know yet.
if anyone knows for sure of natural products that do work please post here
my dil has 2 sm dogs and is able to keep them pest free with a weekly bath with the d-Limonene
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DEET vs. Permethrin as a Tick Repellent By Tom Grier Springtime is tick time. This means we will soon be seeing those cautionary ads on television telling us to use tick repellents. In almost every instance, the active ingredient in those advertised tick repellents will be DEET, which is the active ingredient in most mosquito repellents.
DEET is an excellent mosquito repellent, but it is a fairly poor tick repellent. We are inundated with so many DEET repellents because there are several huge corporations that manufacture hundreds of variations of DEET products. There is only one small company ,Coulston Laboratory, that markets a handful of competitive tick repellent products for human use that contain 0.5 % permethrin.
There are pros and cons to each product, but as a tick repellent, permethrin wins hands down. Permethrin is an insecticide derived from a chemical found in the chrysanthemum family of plants. It is a spray that is used on clothes only, and is deactivated and made less effective by the oils on our skin. Once it is sprayed on our clothing, it becomes odorless and can last for several weeks with a single application. Once it is applied, most ticks will curl up and fall off if they make contact, and will eventually die if there is prolonged exposure.
Both DEET and permethrin have come under criticism for possible human side effects. DEET has been associated with human case histories of neurological damage and even death, and products greater than 40% were restricted in some states. Permethrin has been implicated in possibly contributing to the Gulf War syndrome. However, the studies involved mixing permethrin with DEET and applying it directly to the skin of mice that were then given military vaccines.
Pros and Cons:
*DEET needs to be applied regularly and can only work as it is evaporating. Permethrin works for weeks after it has dried inside clothing fibers. *DEET is applied directly to the skin and can be absorbed through the skin. Permethrin is applied to clothing only and has limited contact to the skin. *DEET has a detectable odor. Permethrin smells only until it dries. *DEET does not kill or disable ticks and is a poor repellent. Permethrin works instantly and is extremely effective. It is the tick repellent of choice by the military. *DEET can melt synthetic clothes like nylon. Permethrin causes no damage to any known cloth or synthetic fiber. *DEET products are easy to find. Permethrin is hard to find and more expensive. *DEET is an effective fish repellent. Permethrin's effect on fish is unknown. Permethrin-containing products that are approved for human use are manufactured by Coulston labs, and can be found under labels such as Duranon, Permanone, and Congo Creek Tick Spray. A 0.5 % veterinary permethrin product can be found in most feed stores and horse supply shops as a horse tick repellent. The veterinary products tend to cost about half the price per ounce as the human-use product.
The Minnesota Insect-Borne Disease Education Council conducted a field test in Jay Cook State Park in northern Minnesota, and found that the permethrin products outperformed the DEET-containing tick repellents. A shoe was sprayed with Duranon (0.5% permethrin). Three weeks later, it was tested against a recently sprayed shoe using Deep Woods Off (35 % DEET). Ticks that made contact with the Duranon-sprayed shoe immediately rolled up and dropped off. Ticks on the soaking-wet DEET saturated shoe continued to crawl unimpaired.
One last tip for you fishermen out there: DEET is perhaps one of the most effective fish repellents known to man. Just a few parts per million can send game fish like salmon and trout to the other end of the fish tank. If you like to keep mosquito repellent in your tackle box, you may have unknowingly contaminated all of your fishing lures! Be sure to take care not to handle any fishing tackle once you have applied mosquito repellent. Just a few parts-per-million can repel more fish than mosquitoes!
To avoid ticks:
*Wear light-colored clothing. *Tuck your pants into your socks. *Tuck your shirt into your pants. *Wear a hat. *Spray your shoes, socks, belt-line, collar and hat with a permethrin-containing tick repellent. *Do a tick check after walking in high-risk areas. *Put any clothes that might have live ticks on them into a hot dryer for ten minutes to kill all insects. Keep your Family Safe! Do Tick Checks!
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Am all ears for effective proven naturals for skin.
I totally get the fear...for my family, especially elderly mother who is moving to live
with my sister where there is more mouse and deer and tick action...and where I got bitten and infected x 4 the second time.
I feel the fear more for them/her than me. Yes, God not the author of that fear. phew...
But I also didn't want to bombard in a way that turns them off. but i did have to be persistent over time, little by little, and prime the pump.
Gave them spray bottles of permethrin... just sent them rynoskin socks... now the links (again) for Dammix.
Real handholding to get this to happen.
Have persuaded them to use Dammix. rynoskin socks and tuck pants in.
got her the permethrin spray for garden clothes, shoes and hats too.
and maybe she will work up to Insect Shield clothing to simplify that.
It seems the most important tick repellant is sound information-- that is actually believed--and applied.
I am all ears for the what we can do for exposed skin...given DEET is a dud.
and besides I don't think I want a neuro thing with neuro sensitivity anyhow.
I think I will try the d-Limonene.
I also have to track down a homeopathic that my former MD said innures your system against ticks. Taken daily. but then how do you really test that? to trust it?
I am not volunteering the risk of exposure. Barrier clothing and permethrin seems to work most effectively and both lab and field tested
as inconvenient as that may be for a gardener...
it's that or end yet more life as I know it... lyme has already done enough thievery
and it is not going to steal my lifegiving gardening. Well first summer I am facing the risk with emtoions attached this way so it is a sometimes scary for me too.
but God...
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orange citrus extracts work according to our Cali-forney posters here. Maybe you need forney ticks for it,,dunno.
Just wanted to say "Billy the Exterminator" from Lousianna who has plenty of insects there, likes essential oils as a natural insect killer.
Dont have a clue what or where you get those but they sound good.
Diamacious earth is a good natural killer also for creepy crawling insects.
I dont see why you couldnt dust your pets with Dimacious earth,,,it feels like baby powder. and spray a little orange extract over it like a perfume.
If your looking for something to spray the most benign and effective spray labeled for INSIDE homes, resturants and food processing plants, is Tempo (sl,,,I think)
Google Tempo and it will come up.
Hope this helps!
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