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It has been known for many years that the Lyme Denialists include individuals who seem to spend most of the working life (and perhaps their private life too) trolling on the internet.
Some of these are US government employees such as the Dr Ed McSweegan, the former NIH Lyme Programme officer, who has joined this and other forums scores of times using different aliases to spread disinformation, harass people, spy on the Lyme movement etc..
In recent years a journalist at the UK daily The Guardian revealed that the US military, other government agencies, corporations etc have purchased "persona management systems".
These are elaborate set-ups of ready-made fake identities to use on the internet. Each fictional "persona" comes equipped with all kinds of paraphernalia to make them look real - facebook profiles, linked-in profiles, mentions on phony school reunion websites, fake articles in local newspapers etc
The organisation purchasing the Persona Management System can use one person to animate several personas, or, alternatively, they can have several different people operate the same persona , in shifts.
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As a moderator of a Lyme site, I have seen this. We try to stay on top of it but sometimes it takes us longer than we would like for us to spot them. I don't know whether they're paid by the government or not, but it's possible. There's a certain agenda they have.
Sometimes they even set up profiles months or years in advance, then all of a sudden start using them. I have personally been harassed, slandered, and even threatened.
We try to keep Lymenet a safe place for discussion and we rely on all of you for help in reporting things that don't seem right.
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Very true, Six. Sometimes we also have to let the troll show his/her true colors before we can act.
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MADDOG
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The other day i was attacked after clicking on a link on here. By a hacker!
I had to unplug my computer, it was taken over,then after rebooting it, the hacker had shut off the update thingy on my virus scanner.
I fixed it but if i was not computer savvy it could have been real bad.
Probably a russian hacker.I wish i had a program that would nuke his computer and leave a huge mushroom cloud on his screen.
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randibear
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well I've had people get really po'd at me and I got a nasty email once but that's bout it. I make no bones about what I am but I don't go into detail or discuss them either.
jus safer.
several years ago I got hacked and they totally destroyed my computer. it was fried. even the professionals could not restore it. now I only go to certain sites and no others. and I especially don't open mail from people I don't know. husband is bad about that tho.
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Eight years ago, I had extreme disturbances on my phones, fax and computer while investigating the relationship between Lyme Disease and biowarfare. I was also followed and had the name of a Lyme activist with whom I had been discussing darkfield microscopy pop up on my two mobile phones of its own accord.
A computer expert traced the pc hacking to computers belonging to various militay agencies of the US government, including the Defence Intelligence Agency, the Space and Naval Warfare Administrations and the US Navy.
Additionally there was evidence of Conrail attempting to hack in (large American rail company which lost a very expensive lawsuit after they failed to warn employees of exposure to ticks whilst on the job).
I was arrested in May 2006 and accused of being "delusional" about the hacking etc, and incarcerated in a mental health detention centre. I was freed after a month when a tribunal found there was no reason for my detention, and a second computer expert testified in court that everything I'd said about the hacking was true.
Sadly I've recently discovered that both my email at work and the email of the spirochaetal Alzheimers Association have been hacked - this time by the UK Ministry of Defence.
Sad to see the lengths they are prepared to go to to perpetuate the coverup.
Elena Cook
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randibear
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wow.. sounds like something out of a movie...
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The evidence is overwhelming that the government knows exactly what the truth is about Lyme and will do anything and everything to deny and cover-up that truth.
The reason for that is almost certainly that the Lyme epidemic is the result of U.S. bio-warfare experimentation that was either accidentally or deliberately allowed to be spread among the general population.
The direct and circumstantial evidence for this is well documented for those who find it hard to believe.
Internet trolls who work for the government are only one of the ways they try to harass Lyme advocates and cover-up the truth about this illness.
In 2006, or close to there, a very well known and respected neurologist told me in his office that "two government agents came to his office and threatened him and his practice" because he had ordered the Bowen Q-Ribb test for his suspected Lyme patients. That neurologist will no longer even treat Lyme patients out of fear for his practice.
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LisaK
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eight legs, that is incredible!!!
I had a FB page with a name that was fake but not too wierd. not as strange as many on there now.....
I got really mad at a certain national politician and blasted him all over my page. non stop Iposted TRUE but disparaging info on him.
after about the 4th day, FB contacted me and said they froze my account because my name sounded too "fake".
isn't that just funny. Mmm hmmm.
It is just crazy how they wanna go to this length to keep people quiet!!!???
I always thought in the movie Under Our Skin it was kind of 'strange' that the dr researching bb suddenly happened to have a rare form of alzheimers and die.
I think they done him in.
just think about it. if they go this far, what is really going on with lyme???? how much worse is it than we can even imagine????????
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I find it hard to believe that lyme is some biowarfare agent. It doesn't really make any sense. I think there is plenty of evidence that lyme has always been around, they've found the bacteria in that ice man and preserved in Amber.
I'd follow the simplest explanation, money. Our healthcare and big pharma exist to make money and lots of it. They make money by managing disease, not treating or curing it. With lyme, the only money is in vaccine development. Treating it can cost 100k per person.
I've seen doctors just poo poo herbal treatments. But that's because you can't patent a herb. What are drugs but compounds made in a lab that mimics compounds found in nature, or they are poisons.
I would believe that the U.S. gov used ticks as an idea for a potential vector in biowarfare. Sure, could they have genetically modified some bacteria and the ticks carrying it got out? I don't know, but there still is Lyme disease naturally occurring that they deny is difficult to treat.
I don't think you need a biowarfare story to EXPLAIN the problems with Lyme disease recognition. I know a lot of people are adamant about it, and anything is possible. But the current debate doesn't need a crazy conspiracy to explain what's going on. And the lyme community has enough problems with credibility of our cause.
For that reason I file that explanation under possible, but not probable. Until more conclusive evidence came out, of course. I really want lyme recognition, so first step is just gaining acceptance that it's there, infecting people and hard to treat with flawed testing.
Whether or not the strain I have is naturally occurring in nature or some secret gov creation, is irrelevant to me. If I start talking about scret bio weapons, no one is going to believe I have lyme.
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I always thought in the movie Under Our Skin it was kind of 'strange' that the dr researching bb suddenly happened to have a rare form of alzheimers and die.
I think they done him in.
- Dr McDonald is alive and well today!
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LisaK
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lymetoo, then who are the talking about at the end of the movie when they give that update????__
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- That UOS written update at the end was added to the end of the first film years ago when it aired on PBS.
The recent documentary's sequel, Under our Skin 2 (Emergence) features him and he explains a bit about all that happened. The doctors never did find out what was wrong with him, although he did have a very profound situation, no doubt about that - it was very rough & tumble. Somehow, he just got better with no medical explanation provided as to why.
It's great to see him so well and back to work.
He also presented at the 2013 ILADS autumn conference - not sure of this past speaker line up, though he is still going strong. -
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I haven't seen the update, Lisa... but sounds like Keebler has the info you are asking for.
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yes, thanks. so is he still doing the research on lyme/alzheimers connection?
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Well I'm glad the doctor is better! That is awesome news! It really is all about money. Also, I think they want the population sick. Population control freaks have been touting the same ratio of people that need to die since the French Revolution. You can't fix crazy.
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LisaK says: "I got really mad at a certain national politician and blasted him all over my page. non stop I posted TRUE but disparaging info on him. After about the 4th day, FB contacted me and said they froze my account because my name sounded too "fake"."
Media is controlled.
We ARE living The Truman Show.
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Dr. Alan MacDonald was declining with Fronto-temporal Dementia & it resolved itself. He confessed that he had years of exposure to Borrelia & hinted that it might be due to that.
Yes, it resolved itself & he is fine and back on his quest to educate.
The very greedy few are controlling the world & the way Lyme is handled is just one result of that.
Do you remember how the Gulf War was covered in the media? Well, take a look at this documentary to see what really happened, but be warned you will be disgusted!!!
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engrossing video lymedin
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Maia, your comments doubting the biowafare origin of the coverup are ones made over and over by people who are new to this subject. I maintain a website about Lyme and biowarfare, and I have a "FAQ" page which should answer all the points you raised. I'm pasting them here below:
Leading Lyme physician Dr. Joseph Burrascano has stated that Lyme could not possibly be a bioweapon, as it has recently been found in the corpse of Oetzi the Iceman, thousands of years old. Surely that settles the matter?
Not at all. Dr. Burrascano is a highly respected clinician who has helped countless Lyme Disease sufferers. He is not, however, an expert on biowarfare.
The reported finding of Borrelial DNA in the mummified tissues of the Iceman does not in the least prove that Lyme Borreliae have not been weaponised.
In the same way, the fact that Bubonic plague terrified populations at least as long ago as the 6th century AD, in no way negates its status as one of the most terrifying modern bioweapons.
Re: "crazy conspiracies":
Q. Even if the Lyme-biowarfare link is true, surely by talking about it, we will harm our cause, as the public will think we are crazy?
A. When Michael Carroll published Lab 257 (see q1) alleging that Lyme Disease was an accidental release from Plum Island, (along with West Nile Fever and other diseases), the public did not accuse him of being mentally ill. On the contrary, his book, endorsed by two ex-Governors and Hilary Clinton, became a best-seller.
The furore raised by his evidence undoubtedly had a bearing on the US government's subsequent decision to close PIADC. Unfortunately, they plan to move it to another location which is still close to highly populated areas.(3)
Certainly, some of the prominent Denialists will rush to call us crazy. But then they do anyway. They have managed to ensure that nearly every Lyme patient who presents with a fluctuating, multi-symptom picture, in whom diagnosis is lacking and insensitive Lyme antibody tests are negative,
is automatically labelled with one or other mental illness (hypochondria, depression, somatoform disorder, "functional" syndromes etc, or, in the case of a child, the parents may be accused of "Munchausens - by-Proxy"...)
This thinking is actually written into medical textbooks and Continuing Medical Education material for physicians. So many of us are already labelled "crazy", regardless of what we do or don't do.
As long as we present the issue in a factual, provable manner, steering clear of wild speculations or references to secret conspiracies of giant lizards/Jews/Martians/zombies etc. clandestinely controlling our armies, we have no reason to fear being labelled insane by the public.
(Some of these stories have been circulated by agents of the US Dept. of Homeland Security in order to marginalise and discredit anyone raising the issue of Lyme and biowarfare.)
The public does not consider the veterans complaining of Gulf War Syndrome as crazy (though psychiatrists funded by the military, such as the recently-knighted Simon Wessely, have tried to depict them as such).
Neither does it consider the victims of CDC's infamous untreated syphilis study at Tuskegee, or those maimed by Agent Orange in Vietnam, as madmen.
In Britain the families of victims of the so-called "Common Cold Unit" near Porton Down, where unwitting volunteers were clandestinely exposed to nerve gas instead of the cold virus, campaigned for decades, finally achieving an admission of guilt from the Ministry of Defence (see 4)
No one views the family of victim Ronald Maddison, for example, as crazy, and their eventual victory in court inspired others to fight for justice.
Thanks to the efforts of people who fought, governments have been forced to shut down unethical and dangerous military research programmes.
Q. It's crucial that we get Lyme awareness into the Press. Surely, if we add biowarfare into the mix, this will only scare the media away?
A. The media are never "scared away" by talk of government cover-ups. On the contrary - they love them! Even Andy Abrahams Wilson, producer of the excellent documentary film "Under Our Skin",
said in an interview that one of the things which most intrigued him and helped to influence him to make a film about Lyme Disease, was hearing the allegations of a biowarfare cover-up.
Perhaps the best answer to this question is the following quote from the website of Michael Carroll: " Mr. Carroll has appeared on many television shows discussing his book, including NBC's Today Show (where his book is a Today Show Book Club selection), MS-NBC, and FOX News Channel. Lab 257 hit the New York Times non-fiction bestseller list soon after publication."(5)
You believe the coverup is due to money- there's no doubt that insurance companies , Pharma and patent-holders are playing a major role in the coverup. It's still, however, a secondary role to the Biowar issue.
That is why Blumenthal's attempt to help us by demanding the IDSA convene a review panel free of financial conflicts of interest failed.
You wrote:
"Treating it can cost 100k per person." That contradicts your belief - the coverup is dedicated to saying we need no treatment at all. Elena
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Robot Wars | George Monbiot Online astroturfing is more advanced and more automated than we’d imagined. By George Monbiot. Published in the Guardian 23rd February 2011 View on www.monbiot.com
"But perhaps the most disturbing revelation is this. The US Air Force has been tendering for companies to supply it with persona management software, which will perform the following tasks:
a. Create “10 personas per user, replete with background, history, supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographically consistent. … Personas must be able to appear to originate in nearly any part of the world and can interact through conventional online services and social media platforms.”
b. Automatically provide its astroturfers with “randomly selected IP addresses through which they can access the internet.” [An IP address is the number which identifies someone’s computer]. These are to be changed every day, “hiding the existence of the operation.”
The software should also mix up the astroturfers’ web traffic with “traffic from multitudes of users from outside the organization. This traffic blending provides excellent cover and powerful deniability.”
c. Create “static IP addresses” for each persona, enabling different astroturfers “to look like the same person over time.” It should also allow “organizations that frequent same site/service often to easily switch IP addresses to look like ordinary users as opposed to one organization.”
Software like this has the potential to destroy the internet as a forum for constructive debate. It makes a mockery of online democracy."
Elena
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Maria, I agree with you. Where's there are $$ involved there will be much denial and controversy.
I can't stand conspiracy theories (I know they exist in some cases) but I always wonder why some people (not referring to Eight) call themselves sick if they are able to write such lengthy dissertations, research, travel, protest, etc. What is it that makes them sick? I think for some it is part of their identity. And not everyone with + Lyme tests necessary is symptomatic nor sick. Not a popular opinion but only my own.
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Willow, I think a lot of sick people are able to do some things in life even though they are sick, like handle some of the things you mention, although I'd say travel and protest are harder for ill people to manage.
Being sick is an identity, because it's what's been forced on people to live. No one asked for it. I think of myself as having two identities, one my regular self before I got ill, and the second this unwelcome one forced upon me that has changed the nature of my life and also how I appear to others.
We can talk about identity, but I wouldn't knock it - it is what people are living through, unfortunately.
True what you say about not everyone with it being symptomatic and sick. Some hold it at bay and others may not have manifested it yet.
I think it makes more sense for you to discuss your own situation and what you go through, rather than to make guesses about others you don't know.
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Willow, we do what we have to do, in spite of being sick.
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