randibear
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four more died today. ages were 66 to 94. all had pre-existing conditions.
total for dfw is now 137.
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- I don't buy it. The way they are reporting these numbers missed the mark in so many ways.
Some of the pre-exiting conditions or other conditions that came along later - well, those are more likely the cause than the flu. Yes, maybe the flu weakened them but there are so many variables that are not being discussed in these news reports that are being used as propaganda.
Most days, many people will die in hospital. And many, if not most, are due to medication reactions.
Among those medication reactions: Tylenol / acetaminophen - I think - is also connected with some of the deaths from infections that develop into septis as the cytockine storm gets worse with that and that's what is the final straw.
Also what no one seems to consider is that the adrenal stress can cause death. Seriously.
The kinds of adrenal stress from infection - then in a place where there is so much noise, light and near physical abuse from the not so tender handling of patients - I think that the sensory stressors are also to blame for the death toll.
The hospital environment is not a place to heal - it's like a factory. Even the voice tones are not those of a healing environment.
The food, too, is not usually helpful to healing.
Other infections contracted in hospital, too, contribute to the death total from those who are admitted not just with flu but with other diagnoses, too.
Still, yes - indeed - the flu can be terrible and even fatal. And this is, of course, devastating for many families.
But there are so many more things that the public should be alerted to beforehand that could be of help in prevention and management.
They should look to naturopathic doctors for the numerous anti-viral herbal medications that could help but the way the MD / hospital system is set up, they are in their own closed off box and just not about to look outside of that.
And, this, closed off thinking and medical management risks being be fatal again and again. A comprehensive approach could save lives. -
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hiker53
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I had 15% of my students gone today with the flu.
Those students who have had the flu are out for a week and are very hard hit. These are healthy teens with no pre-existing conditions.
This year's flu is scary to me.
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- What if the antiviral herbals Lomation, Elderberry Extract, Garlic / Allicin, Andrographis, Astragalus or the similar herbs (with guidance by naturopathic physicians) were incorporated at the very first sign of illness - according to each individual's need?
Even the power of GINGER could go far in foods, as a weak tea (as if too strong can burn). Ginger can be helpful in so many ways, especially to help reduce nausea and dizziness and even inflammation in its milder stages.
Once someone is very severe steroids might be used - and while those can be lifesaving (and certainly if at that point, I encourage their use) but they have risks of lowering immune function terribly at a time when there are no anti-virals in place.
Inflammation is the enemy with flu. That - with the cytokine storm - are the real determinating factors for who makes it and who might not.
Other than Tamiflu - only after a flu sets in - there is no antiviral approach in conventional MD / hospital use. They have ignored centuries and generations' of wisdom that could be great help.
But this is due to the grip of the FDA.
What if everyone would become aware of the dangers of acetaminophen / tylenol during flu (as it blocks glutathione in the liver and in the cells and can contribute to inflammation, then create a cytokine storm and then into sepsis, and thereby create a fatal risk).
What if liver support and lymph supports were used? These are criminally missing from standard approaches, IMO.
What if for breakfast, carrot juice was also on the table? What if wheat and dairy were eliminated at the first sign of a respiratory condition (as both cause more phlegm and also can "clog" immune function)?
What if therapeutic massage was used to help with lymph drainage and stress reduction?
Also recognized the stress that so many are under. It's a terrible time for so many in so many ways. What can we do, as individuals and as a society - make life kinder & safer for others? For when we focus more on a healthful environment and remove obstacles, I think, lif
These are just a few of the real options that are being severely underutilized. It would be nice to see a system in place that supported families who choose these kinds of interactions as well.
There will always be illness and death, sadly. But I think as a society we are missing the mark by just following the standard approach that most MDs and most hospitals have to offer. They fall very short in so many ways.
We can do better.
Physical structure - such as classrooms and work environments . . . too many people in tight quarters.
Chemicals to disinfect can be too harsh. Steamers and special blue lights would be much better.
Something needs to be done about figuring out when someone should stay home - usually at the very first sign but that does not happen and it's not always practical for working families.
How might we create a nurturing network to care for those who need to stay home at the first sign of illness?
Flush toilets - putting the anti-microbial blue lights in all toilet areas would be a big help. A flushing toilet is the fastest spreader of any kinds of disease. And with short toilet breaks, everyone is in the room at the same time as the flushes go flying into the the air, into tender lungs.
At home: close toilet lids before flushing. Bath towels can be magnets for germs from toilet flushes.
Do not leave toothbrushes or drinking glasses out for everyone to cough or sneeze around.
Kitchen towel hanging on oven door? Each time someone walks by, their clothes brush it. Where have those clothes been? And, even it the towel is hanging higher, is it loose enough to dry and it is changed every day?
Again, there is so much more we could do. We can do better. We must do better.
But the pharmaceutical approach and mentality has such a grip. And that grip of one size fits all - limited thinking, limited precautions, limited care - options can become a death grip.
We can do better. -
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One of my Bible study friends was in the hospital with the flu this past week. She came home on oxygen.
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randibear
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several people and children here died from flu that were perfectly healthy.
when it's time, I guess it's time.
but something is definitely wrong when they admit the vaccine is worthless.
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- It may not actually be the flu that is the last straw. yes, this seems to be a "bad" flu, indeed. Still, there are so many variables that can contribute to a terrible outcome. And, I think that some of these other variables can also be the actual cause of some deaths.
Well, it's true that sometimes that take of "maybe it was their time to die" really may be the sad truth.
Still, I think there is so much we have ignored regarding what might help keep ourselves / others well, or at least not get so ill.
We aren't looking at all the variables.
This is on us. We've put our trust in the medical system that misses the mark so often. And it's up to each of us, all of us, to do better. To create a better way that can be individualized for each person.
To create a better educational foundation for everyone about all things medical and how to manage their own self care where appropriate.
Putting trust in one method is never a good idea. This requires a multifaceted approach. And it's up to us to get cracking on this. We can do so much ourselves but it's also important to make this a family / friend circle effort so that there are caring circles all around. Wouldn't that be nice?
One (of so many) real questions is why are we not using some of the antiviral herbal medicines such as garlic / allicin, berberine, andrographis . . . (and others listed in my post above).
It's criminal neglect to ignore those, IMO, as a system, as a society.
Yet, while I'd like to see naturopathic medicine as a foundation of our entire medical system, that's not likely going to happen - or soon. Still, so much we can do about that for ourselves and expand to those in our circles.
As one of the few, and only one for flu, antivirals "available" in the pharmaceutical system, Tamiflu can offer some help to some but it's usually given too late and, I think, there are better options, mentioned previously. And we have the power to learn about those on our own, now.
Putting all the trust in vaccines can be risky in various ways. Vaccines can cause some people to become very ill, too, due to the aluminum, the glyphosate and other adjuvants that can push some immune systems to go haywire.
While some may still choose to receive a vaccine - regarding flu, that never going to be any kind of "safe ticket" so to speak. Because the flu viruses can mutate so fast.
Amy Klobuchar a U.S.Senator (MN) recently started a committee to study a universal vaccine that might cover many strains and last longer. That might yield something better - but only if the adjuvants also get a total revamp. Adjuvant concerns in the thread below.
And, also, why has there not been a campaign to inform about proper toilet flushing? How to try not to be in the restroom at the time others flush? This, alone could make some difference in what enters one's lungs.
So, we can all be part of that "campaign" - speak to friends. When out, at a public restroom, wait outside until it's empty so you aren't walking into the mist of what someone just flushed. I think this matters.
It seems that most often there is just not a comprehensive treatment for people who are getting the flu - or most other things, too.
In addition to some of the points in my above post that I do think could really help save lives, even prevent flu or the intensity of it . . . already mentioned was what I think is grave mistake with the standard of current treatment: acetaminophin.
For the dear neighbor who make it through the flu but came on "on oxygen" to so many others, if acetaminophen was administered, that could play a part in the lung stress / damage.
If we find other ways to manage patient care, I think there is a likelihood of improvement. Regarding the article below, if acetaminophen is risking for anyone with asthma, it would follow that it could be risky for anyone with any kind of lung issue / condition especially during a flu.
. . . Even a single dose of acetaminophen can reduce the body’s levels of glutathione, a peptide that helps repair oxidative damage that can drive inflammation in the airways, researchers have found. . . . -
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- For starters, this book will make a wonderful spring gift to all we know:
Herbal Antivirals: Natural Remedies for Emerging & Resistant Viral Infections
by Stephen Harrod Buhner (a master herbalist)
Kindle or Paperback - Published: September 24, 2013 -
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- It's fun to stroll around PubMed and look for various herbs' medical abstracts. As MSRA is something that can often be acquired in hospital, this seems a good cross search to start with:
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