Keebler
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- So refreshing to see such excellent thinking here. Goes far beyond the typical articles on this subject.
Antibiotics can cause some trouble in the gut which is where so much is supposed to happen to keep oxalates in check. If the gut is damaged, all hell can break loose, even regarding oxalates.
Read to the end for how amusement parks might be a help to kidneys (but, oh, not so for the inner ear or tender neck structure). For some of us with vestibular issues & inflamed brains & spines - such rides could cause damage. I just found that interesting.
It would also then make sense that some kinds of exercise / movement helps move things around and through the body. It need not be body jolting. I'd bet even yoga stretches would help.
. . . Why would we need to avoid these traditional foods?
Isn’t there another way to prevent or resolve a problem with excessive buildup of oxalates in the body?
Does a low oxalate diet even work or offer other health benefits?
Before we consider these questions, let’s take a look at what foods are high in oxalates.
When you see how long it is, you might wonder if perhaps these foods are a problem because of what we have done to our bodies, especially our guts, and not because of the oxalates themselves. . . .
. . . Hence, if you are oxalate sensitive, do not automatically assume that if a food is low oxalate in fresh form, the same is true for processed forms and vice versa.
There is clearly some negative aspects to industrialized fruit processing that have the potential to add these substances.
. . . Second, it appears that repeated exposure to antibiotics contributes to this issue and even possibly causes it in some people.
Certain beneficial strains of gut flora, specifically oxalobacter, break down oxalates!
These strains are destroyed by antibiotics and potentially dozens of other pharmaceuticals. They are not commonly included in probiotic supplements. (3) . . .
How Low Oxalate Diets Can Backfire
It is important for those considering a low oxalate or kidney stone diet to understand that the potential exists for making the problem worse.
This is because diets low in oxalates can cause beneficial gut microorganisms that break these substances down to die off from lack of food! Over time, a person could become even more sensitive to the effects of oxalates. (5)
In addition, an imbalanced gut typically has an overgrowth of yeast. Oxalates are produced in large amounts by fungus!
Large oxalate containing stones have been found in the sinuses and lungs of people suffering from systemic fungal infections such as Candida or Aspergillus.
The lack of proper gut bacteria is is why fecal transplants help some people with kidney stone issues. This procedure helps replenish and rebuild the beneficial bacteria that deal with excess oxalates in the body. (6, 7)
The same goes for the kidney stone diet. Low calcium intake as recommended by certain health authorities can actually contribute rather than resolve a propensity to form kidney stones. . . .
Protective factors first include . . . . -
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Keebler
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Destruction of our gut is a big part of it. Lowering oxalates in the diet is essential to anyone suffering from oxalate kidney stones.
Of course, there are many other reasons oxalates might need to be lowered.
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klutzo
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I have vulvar vestibulitis and IC, both occurring concurrently with my Lyme and Fibro.
I strictly adhered to a low oxalate diet for two years. It did absolutely nothing except take a lot of healthy foods away from an already restricted diet.
For me, Prelief has helped a lot more. It removes acid from high acid foods w/o removing the acid from your stomach needed to digest.
Another thing which has helped is using coconut oil and taking caprylic acid, since yeast overgrowth appeared to contribute to my vulvar vestibulitis.
So, my point is that I don't think the causes are all necessarily the same for all of us.
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Keebler
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- Good point, indeed. -
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did you symptoms flare when you ate high oxalate foods?
I am going down the low oxalate path for muscle pain. I dont have any of the "typical" symptoms. It takes forever to see if oxalates are the issue and like you said you remove so many foods.
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