And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindred's, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him. Revelation 13:7,8a

There has never been a time in history in which a one world government could be form. Not during the time of Christ, which was the era of the Roman Empire (which did not control all of the known world), nor the year 1000 A.D. to the advent of the early 1900s.

We are, without even knowing it, in the middle of the formation of a one world government that will set the stage for the tribulation period and the ushering in of the antichrist as world leader.

Unfortunately, there is a force at work throughout the world that aims to unite people, nations, communities and other groups into larger units. Centralization, you might call it.

It's still theory and conjecture, but, in my opinion, here's how the grand plan will begin to unfold: The insiders who meet under the auspices of the Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Affairs, the Bilderberg Group, etc., intend to use the United Nations and the European Community as the models for other regional groups of nations.

Already the Islamic nations of the world have formed a coalition. Latin American nations have grouped together through an "integration association". The nations of Southeast Asia have there own association. West African states have their own economic community.

And, of course, the U.S. Canada and Mexico formed the North America Free Trade Area in 1989, which resulted in a treaty ratified by the U.S. Congress in October, 1993 (NAFTA).

But these international groupings are merely an interim step toward total world unification. And in the 1990s, the world seems to be on a fast track toward global government. Its never been so clear before.

But where is the New World Order leading us? Well, according to Former President Bush, who announced it to the world (for the first time) during his presidency, this new order will mean global peace and safety.

But the Bible declares, that in the last days when governments are devising plans to bring about world peace, it will only prove to be temporary and the destructive final countdown will begin.

Chip implant.
VeriChip� - There when you need it

The VeriChip miniaturized Radio Frequency Identifcation (RFID) Device is the core of all VeriChip applications. About the size of a grain of rice, each VeriChip contains a unique verification number, which can be used to access a subscriber-supplied database providing personal related information. And unlike conventional forms of identification, VeriChip cannot be lost, stolen, misplaced or counterfeited.

Once implanted just under the skin, via a quick, painless outpatient procedure (much like getting a shot), the VeriChip can be scanned when necessary with a proprietary VeriChip scanner. A small amount of Radio Frequency Energy passes from the scanner energizing the dormant VeriChip, which then emits a radio frequency signal transmitting the individuals unique verification (VeriChipID) number. The VeriChip Subscriber Number then provides instant access to the Global VeriChip Subscriber (GVS) Registry - through secure, password protected web access to subscriber-supplied information

Not far away its here.

As for fulfilling Bible prophecy, my opinion is that a lot of the book of Revelation has been fulfilled in Bible times. I don't intend to start an Escatology debate, but if anyone is interested, a good read on this view can be had by any of these books here.

The fact that this was (as so many other deleterious legislations have been recently)
'packaged' in with the military spending bill, is disturbing.

If it stands as a good thing, why is it not brought to the table independantly?

and this:

"gives authority to the Secretary of Homeland Security to unilaterally add requirements as he sees fit."

There is potential for abuse here..back door connections..
such as including medical info, ect..various information that could be used by insurance companies, ect..

But the whole thing infringes on freedom.

Anybody been reading about the 'New Freedom initiative'..
encouraging schools to screen children, and actually applies to all citizens, mental health screening.

But..with the children, schools can do this without parents permission..

and agian, the initiative is in place with open doors to mandate, ect..once established.

From there, appropriate medication is to be
prescribed.

Parents of shildren with TBD's should be very concerned about that one..

drilling in Alaska was fit into a budget bill, so the senators would not be likely to vote it down..
ect, ect, ect..

Beyond the details of each legislation changing the face of things, delivered in rapid-fire..
is the unbeleivable way in which they are being put through..
no chance for the public to learn about it, sontact their senators, have input..nothing.
Even the senators themselves are restricted because so many things are bundled together..things that shouldn't be, with a leading subject the senators must be seen as voting for (like this one, within a military spending bill)..issues that have traditionally have been dealt with independantly..
a national ID card effects EVERYONE individually and personally, and should be a separate issue.

This administration is weilding way too much power and control over the lives of Americans. and much of it under the guise of 'security' and other seemingly beneficial things, with misleading names..
but the fine print can be startling..
and the process is no longer Democratic.

Mo

But..with the children, schools can do this without parents permission.. ~

WOW, that is B.S.! cleverly disguised as a good thing i am sure, make people ask for their eventual demise... i think we'd better go back to the one room school house! REALLY.

If we can save 1,10,100 lives from one additional source of terrorist attack, as citizens here, we should comply and quit worrying about our personal "freedoms". Sometimes we have to earn those freedoms we have come to take for granted here, when others are out to abuse & destroy them.

If terrorists are really serious ( and I do think they are serious), there are so many ways they could do us harm, e.g. biowarfare, our water, air, food chain, etc.

The government here in Canada has set up a committee/organization to start testing our beef and other animals, b/c they feel our food chain might or could be contaminated. When I read that, then I know that it (contamination) has already started.

Weeza, your chances or anyone else's of being killed are much greater from driving or crossing the street. Look at the data coming out about SARS(same symptoms as 1918 bubonic plague), many other deadly viruses breaking out that we hear so little about. If all your affairs (mind, body and soul) are in order, then you have nothing to fear. You trust in God don't you? I try to remember and put in practice this adage from alanon - if you pray why worry, if you worry, why pray. I am inclined to be more concerned with where I am going after I die, it's what I do "right" now that counts for what happens to me eternally after I die.

ID numbers - isn't that what the nazis used against the Jewish people? Are you or any group of people to become a "marked" people? This is really scary stuff. I would sure hope that people rise up and refuse at any cost, b/c the costs if implemented will cost you dearly, not worth it. I thought wars were all about freedom and peace, just whose freedom would that mean? It doesn't sound like freedom for Americans, it's more like well once we control the rest of the world (using your own people to accomplish this), then we imprison our own people to achieve fait accompli.

Far fetched you might say, well anything that has happened in the last 100 years would have been considered pretty farfetched for people in that day and age. BIG BROTHER has not only arrived but is well entrenched in your psychs already.

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Originally posted by weeza3:
Sorry Dave, but me thinks we're in a different state of affairs in this world today.
No, I don't like the burden of having to "prove" my identity 100 x over. Yet, if it will give one jot of extra security in an airport, going in and out of the country, applying for government jobs, etc. I will be cooperative in the best mindset possible.

If we can save 1,10,100 lives from one additional source of terrorist attack, as citizens here, we should comply and quit worrying about our personal "freedoms". Sometimes we have to earn those freedoms we have come to take for granted here, when others are out to abuse & destroy them.

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But as I just explained, it won't make us any safer at all! Wow, they've got you hook, line and sinker!

By Robert Kuttner
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As a card-carrying member of the American Civil Liberties Union, I'd like to have one more card in my wallet. The card I want, contrary to the views of most civil liberties activists, is a national ID card.

Privacy advocates have always resisted this idea, for fear of government snooping on citizens. But that cat is out of the bag. Nearly all of us have driver's licenses, Social Security cards, passports. And corporations, credit agencies, and HMOs keep dossiers, too -- often more extensive than what government maintains.

For civil libertarians, the real issue is not whether government and business collect databases on citizens, but whether there are adequate protections against abuses.

Those protections have come under particular assault in the era of George W. Bush and the USA Patriot Act. But we will not solve the privacy problem by pretending that we are back in a pre-computer era. For that matter, Hitler did not need computers to abuse citizens.

There are several good reasons to support a national ID card. The first has to do with voter registration and democracy.

Tens of millions of Americans don't vote because we make voters go through a two-step process of registering and then voting. As we saw in the elections of 2000 and 2004, the registration process is an invitation to endless political mischief.

In fact, registration was introduced in the late 19th century precisely to hold down the numbers of votes, from former slaves and from recent immigrants. It still functions to hold down voting today.

In most countries, the national ID card certifies your identity, age, and citizenship. That's it. You present the card, and you vote.

In America, millions of volunteer hours and hundreds of millions of dollars go into the needless process of registering voters -- time and money that could go toward political activism and education. So a national ID card, with proper safeguards, would make America more democratic, not less.

The second big reason involves immigration and labor rights. We try to control our borders, but millions of foreigners overstay tourist or student visas or slip in illegally, in order to work. They are able to take jobs because business wants them here to work for low wages and be conveniently frightened of exercising their labor rights.

Our immigration laws require workers to have proof of lawful status, but employers are not punished if the papers turn out to be forgeries, which are easy to obtain. It's much harder to forge a passport-quality national ID card.

So let's decide just what level of immigration we want, make it possible for those immigrants currently working in the country to regularize their status, and then use a national ID card to make clear who is able to work -- and to freely exercise rights as workers without fear of being deported.

In an era where there is justifiable fear of terrorism, a national ID card would also help law enforcement. Identity theft would also be much harder if there were a single, government issued ID card.

A national ID card could help government pursue valuable record keeping, for instance to make sure that all children are immunized, and to pursue epidemiological research that is now difficult or impossible. A single government ID card would dramatically reduce underage drinking. Frail elderly people would cease having to renew drivers licenses solely for the purpose of ID. But libertarians are absolutely right to worry about potential and actual abuses. So the other side of the bargain is a much tougher set of laws protecting against improper invasions of privacy and snooping, both by government and by corporations.

There should be tougher penalties if an HMO sells confidential medical records. We need stronger measures against unwanted telemarketing, and against abuse of credit records.

The so-called USA Patriot Act has outrageous provisions, such as warrant-less snooping and "sneak and peak" searches in which the subject of the search is never informed that his or her privacy has been violated. These need to be repealed and replaced with far narrower search and seizure provisions that are not broad fishing licenses.

Right now, we liberty-loving Americans have the worst of both worlds. Far too many databases keep far too much information on us, with too few controls on its misuse. Yet we don't take advantage of the most basic uses of ID, such as making clear who is properly in the country and making it easier for citizens to vote.

Robert Kuttner is co-editor of The American Prospect. This column originally appeared in the Boston Globe.
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Is that fine? Checks and balances removed???

First ones in effect already.
H.R.418
Title: To establish and rapidly implement regulations for State driver's license and identification document security standards, to prevent terrorists from abusing the asylum laws of the United States, to unify terrorism-related grounds for inadmissibility and removal, and to ensure expeditious construction of the San Diego border fence.

Heres three related bills to above one. Already out of control definnately not thought out why keep adding on?
Related Bills: H.RES.71, H.RES.75, H.RES.151, H.R.1268

PIV stipulates two technologies--one "contactless" and one "contact"--as interfaces between the smart card and the reader device. Other specified technologies include an ICC (integrated circuit chip) and biometric mechanisms, digital certificates, private keys, and PINs for security.

To open ended whos the leader of Homeland security in 5or6 years will he be a upstanding guy or will he be on the other side and impliment turn on the abilities of this technology instantly requiring it for everything including buying or selling???

Because the way it stands now all the things needed for this are going into the national ID card /chip just not all being turned on.

Bad bad news for everone.

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http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,67025-2,00.html?tw=wn_story_page_next1

Aclu
http://search.aclu.org/AdvancedSearchResults.cfm?RequestTimeout=1000

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Originally posted by 24bit:
Man, we apparently we have a lot of paranoid extremists on the board here, but I guess I already knew that. The new and improved identification makes perfect sense and it scares me that some of you are thinking so extreme on this. Are you joking or are you really serious? If you're serious, then thank the good Lord you guys are in the massive minority on this one!

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Paranoid Extremists me!!!! hahahahhahahaha

Very rational Just watch and see even if you dont agree with me

Time always tells

Just when it seems the Feds have gone too far, they want to push it even further. Implants under the skin are not far of at all.
My 3 animals had them years ago.

By the way, is that Bill Gates' driver's license picture in the article? Scary

..and anything right and true stands up to scrutiny.