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Mo
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A look into the majority of the World's view...


Transcript of his statement:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1616578,00.html

..."Now, Senator, I gave my heart and soul to oppose the policy that you promoted. I gave my political life's blood to try to stop the mass killing of Iraqis by the sanctions on Iraq which killed one million Iraqis, most of them children, most of them died before they even knew that they were Iraqis, but they died for no other reason other than that they were Iraqis with the misfortune to born at that time. I gave my heart and soul to stop you committing the disaster that you did commit in invading Iraq. And I told the world that your case for the war was a pack of lies.

``I told the world that Iraq, contrary to your claims did not have weapons of mass destruction. I told the world, contrary to your claims, that Iraq had no connection to al-Qaeda. I told the world, contrary to your claims, that Iraq had no connection to the atrocity on 9/11 2001. I told the world, contrary to your claims, that the Iraqi people would resist a British and American invasion of their country and that the fall of Baghdad would not be the beginning of the end, but merely the end of the beginning.


"Senator, in everything I said about Iraq, I turned out to be right and you turned out to be wrong and 100,000 people paid with their lives; 1600 of them American soldiers sent to their deaths on a pack of lies; 15,000 of them wounded, many of them disabled forever on a pack of lies...


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The Guardian (UK) acknowledges world media applause for Galloway's statements on Iraq:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5017516,00.html


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Unbelievably shameful Mo. It's pretty interesting that you're promoting the viewpoint of a man that's being proven a criminal scumbag to the tenth degree. There's overwhelming evidence that he was bought by Saddam, but I guess you don't believe the evidence. He even set up a childrens leukemia charity to funnel money through. Using kids to steal? and to promote and keep a tyrant in power that would continue to cause chaos with his people and the world?

The criminal gets a pass from you because he agrees with you.....nice! Right on par.
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBKNMBPM8E.html

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There is not more 'tons of evidence' about Galloway doing anything whatsoever wrong more than there is evidence of WMD's in Iraq.

Present the 'tons of evidence' - you'd think it would be known about here in the UK, if it existed.

I think Galloway's biggest crime is his very confrontational, vocal nature, which is largely what got him into trouble here BEFORE the war because he was protesting against the war in a big way. Not because he was 'pro-Saddam', but because he was antiwar. And, he was not the only member of parliament who did so, loudly.

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Careful to stay on topic and off me, 24..K?


In posting this, I am not advocating everything about Mr. Galloway, I simply posted his statement, which is resonating throughout the World.

Anybody catch Charlie Rose last night?

DLL probably knows this better than any of us, but the Guardian article explains the relationship he has had with the press and whatnot, and the resulting 'Hoorah!!!' (DESPITE Galloway's 'image' ) that has resonated throughout the World:
that within his statements before the US Senate he spoke out so clearly on the facts surrounding Iraq.
The majority of the World's citizens
are angry over the American government's actions.
(and 60% of Americans polled now feel the War was/is wrong, soldiers are going AWOL..ect, ect)

The truth is the truth is the truth, no matter who or how vehemently anyone denies or ignores it.

Just to clarify the point of the post.
It's not about Galloway..
tho -- frankly I think our Senators would serve the nation greatly by adapting a bit of his strengths in the department of calling a spade a spade. Imperialism.

'Using kids to steal?'..don't know enough about the charges or merrits of his Leukemia charity, but let's say he did..
how does that compare to mass murder of children (including our own) and lieing about reasons to start a War in order to steal?

in addition: the issues raised around Iraq are not his viewpoint, it's the majority viewpoint. That's why this man is being hailed globally.

1,000,000 children dead due to sanctions, American support for Saddam..giving him the tools and instructions to commit genocide against the Kurds, 100,000 innocent Iraqui deaths as a result of the War, exploitation of 911 to garner support..1600 American soldiers dead as a result of a War based on lies, and a puppet government again installed by the US being sold as advancement for Iraquis is far, far, far more serious reguardless of what Galloway may or may not be guilty of.


The content of his statements around Iraq is the issue. It's all true, and more people should stand strong and clear on the enormity of the facts..
mealy-mouth skirting of the issues and finger pointing toward individuals is a major part of the problem among our Senate in the current situation and this War.

Appahrently British Parliament is allot more forthright and passionate when discussing this issue.
Blair has taken a huge hit in support overall, loosing about 100 seats (?).

Mo

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Stay off you? I'm just rebuting your post. You're on me all the time which doesn't bother me at all. But if you dish it out (in posting inflamatory issues and posting against people that respond to them assertively) then why not just learn to take it. That's how life is. You throw red meat out, you ought to expect a bite.
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Galloway returns from Senate to hero's welcome

MICHAEL SETTLE, Chief UK Political Correspondent May 19 2005
The Herold, UK

A TEARFUL George Galloway last night received a rapturous welcome at a packed rally a day after a ferocious showdown with US senators.
Hundreds turned up at a meeting in London to celebrate his general election victory over Labour's Oona King.

He was hailed as the "man of the moment" and received a three-minute standing ovation after returning from the US Senate in Washington where he delivered a barnstorming performance rebutting charges that he profited from illicit oil deals with Saddam Hussein's regime.

Mr Galloway urged the charity watchdog not to waste its time or taxpayers' money reopening an investigation into the campaign he ran to help an Iraqi child cancer victim and end sanctions against Iraq....

...the watchdog established at least that the "majority of the monies" applied for was used for charitable purposes...

Source:
http://www.theherald.co.uk/politics/39590.html

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Oh that's sweet....I'm kind of tearing up myself.

But I think he's going to be crying for a different reason fairly soon when process of bringing HIM to justice begins for being involved in one of the biggest crimes to humanity in the last 30 years.


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The facts to date, and throughout the recent Senate address..show the case is weak at best. They have nothing substantial, nor did they present anything substantial.

Galloway himself aside (becuase the focus is Iraq)..the continued accusations against him (which are all they are to date) are just another smokescreen..
and a ham-handed one at that.
He has been accused only by certain media sources..
a vicious political attack.
The investigative committe has not even accused him of these things yet.
(tho -- I bet he's a prime target for continued fabrication now, whether he did anything wrong or not, he done spoke out )

The far Right will try with all their might to discredit this man, no doubt. As a distraction.

He seized the moment and not only defended himself and exposed that the committe has no tangible evidence, but also turned the heat on Iraq War policy.

Continued accusations at this point are clearly an attempt to skirt the issues which are known facts, and evidence of what I would wager to be the BIGGEST crime against humanity in the past 30 years.

I hope our own politicians learn a lesson or two from this man on speaking truth on these issues.

Our representatives need allot more backbone,
these are War crimes..
American military, citizens and the Iraqui people need protection from further crimes.


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Please get your facts straight. There's A LOT of new evidence that they just received and are still collecting. It's an ongoing investigation......you know what that is right? It means it's ongoing, in progress.....not el finished-o. That's why they called him in, to hear what he has to say for himself. Did they expect him to admit anything? Of course not. They want him on record telling the mother of all lies.

So you are defending him!! LOL. In a couple of months let me know what it was like to defend one of the biggest crooks/slimes of our time. It's truly amazing how blinded with hatred you are towards Bush. Hey, it's Thomas Dolby!! Blinded by whatever....and GW!

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Point is, tho --

The evidence on Iraq is documented and told with time, and the crimes are far more heneous..

..the evidence against Galloway's alleged financial wrong-doings through charitable causes doesn't exist yet..

I'm not defending him, just pointing out that fact.

( and that to focus on him re: the media explosion over the content of his statement
seems a bit convoluted considering all..

pointing at Galloway doesn't erase what's happening in Iraq, nor does it erase the way his statement has resonated so strongly )

Mo

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You have no evidence on Bush crimes in Iraq! You've got to be kidding me. If there were any real evidence the mainstream media would be all over it. You pay attention to far left wacko propaganda columnists that make things up. That's not evidence, I know you think it is.
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"You have no evidence on Bush crimes in Iraq! You've got to be kidding me. If there were any real evidence the mainstream media would be all over it. " quote, 24
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That's what I'm thinkin, let's just wait and see. Could it not be that when this is all said and done, that there will be more "Hope" for the Iraqi's to live a peaceful, less threatening existence than with Saddam?

An opportunity for the average Iraqi to live more prosperously, eucational and equal rights for women? The next generation will flourish with a more democratic influence by the leaders.

As harsh a reality is war and the loss of innocent lives, their deaths need not be in vain as the living rise up to the challenge of a new and brighter destiny.

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American media has reported only bits and pieces, it's become career suicide to do anything more.

World media, a much different story. There's something very wrong with that.

American media will not take on putting all the evidence together, as it is well beyond impeachable crimes..until the Congress does something..

and that's political suicide..unless they band together in a large enough group.

The only 'hope', ironically, seems to be that as the crimes' effects become even more deviatatingly huge, they will be forced to do that.

The evidance is simple in the reality. The left ( and many moderates) point to it, but the reality (THE CONTENT) is not fabricated. It's fact.

It is all public domain, and can all be verified, should one be objective.

24 & Weeza, at least in every post so far, you are part of the group that just dismises all without addressing it, so I don't expect that will change..but for anyone else interested -- here's a highlight of just some of the issues.

You can call it whatever you like, but can't
despute the truth very easily.
IMO, there's something very wrong with the dissmissal and degredation of everyone who is merely doing what is out right in a Democratic society:
to hold elected officials accountable for their actions and the outcome.

Weez....hopes that Iraquis will one day have a better life, which I think many people hope for..does not come anywhere near justifying what this administration has orchestrated by way of War.

I sure hope one day they will be OK..but as for now, as a direct result of this War (Amnesty and other human rights groups report)..women, children, Iraquis suffer well beyond the days of Saddam, with no end in sight, and many devistations that will take many years to overcome.

Some liberation. This War was based on lies, poorly planned to create a gruesome mess,
profitted upon... and the troops and the Iraquis deserve protection against this administration.

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We have enough evidence to Impeach and Imprison Bush & Co right now.

Congress and the media are complicit in coverup up Bush's crimes.

Bush and Co Lied to Start a War


"I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the Iraqis had nuclear weapons." - Donald Rumsfeld

"The evidence indicates that Iraq has reconstituted it's nukyular weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nukyular scientists, a group he calls his Nukyular Mujaheddin, his Nukyular Holy Warriors." - George W. Bush

"Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof, the smoking gun that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud." - George W. Bush

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use them against our friends, against our allies and against us." - Dick Cheney

"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraqi regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." - George W. Bush


"We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs for missions targeting the United States." - George W. Bush

"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein has the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and vx nerve agent. In such quantities these chemical agents could also kill untold thousands." - George W. Bush


(These lies are just a tad bigger than Lewinsky, but not according to the US media.)


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War Crimes in Iraq

There were no WMDS, no imminent threat but 100,000 are dead.
There's something shameful about that.

Depleted Uranium

Cluster Bombs

Collective Punishment

Torture

Carpet Bombing Civilian areas

Closing and Bombing Hospitals

Targeting journalists

Napalm

Chemical Weapons

An official in Iraq's health ministry said that the U.S. used banned weapons in Fallujah

Dr. Khalid ash-Shaykhli, an official at Iraq's health ministry, said that the U.S. military used internationally banned weapons during its deadly offensive in the city of Fallujah.

Dr. ash-Shaykhli was assigned by the ministry to assess the health conditions in Fallujah following the November assault there.

He said that researches, prepared by his medical team, prove that U.S. occupation forces used internationally prohibited substances, including mustard gas, nerve gas, and other burning chemicals in their attacks in the war-torn city.


"We are not trying to spread liberty in Iraq, we are trying to bludgeon them into submission." -- Howard Zinn


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Iraqi children call US troops "Ali Baba Petrol".


$9 billion of Iraqi oil money stolen - Congress refuses to investigate. WHY?

Senate Democrats raise their fists, "This is unconscionable."

Republicans refuse to investigate, and since they control both houses it's over. Democratic 'leaders' drop the subject, tail between their legs.

One of the few Democrats to speak up is Dennis Kucinich:

"The Administration, the Department of Defense, and Coalition Provisional Authority must be held directly responsible for this staggering lack of accountability of $9 billion. If ever there was a reason for a grand jury to start asking questions of high ranking federal government officials, this is it."

"It is simply not believable that the Administration lost track of every dime of the funds. The Administration willfully turned a blind eye and allowed the misuse of funds, and now must be held accountable."

Why didn't we have a candidate like that for President? This statement is so bold it should've been headline news. Yet the mainstream media and 'alternative' (cointelpro) press buried it together.

Kerry 'the electable democrat' has been silent on the missing $9 billion. Do you see the connection? Kerry's silence on major issues is why he was 'electable'!


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Halliburton exposed for shameless fraud and corruption

$27 million billed for $82,000 of propane
$100 million over-charged for gasoline
Billed for 8,206 employees, but only 602 can be found

Systematic abuse of cost-plus contracts - the more they spent the more they earned.

$85,000 trucks abandoned, trailer loads of goods lost in shipment.

Truckloads of brand new loaded SUVs delivered for KBR workers to joyride in.

Cheney has 433,000 stock options and he still receives a $1 million annual check
Despite this blatant corruption, Congress has not investigated.

Instead they just keep giving more money to Halliburton. WHY?

Democrats submitted a war-profiteering amendment which would have prevented companies that cheat from receiving future government contracts - Republicans killed it. WHY?


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At what point do we collectively realize that Congress is not do their job of holding the executive branch accountable.

The Republicans currently in power will never investigate now matter how damning the evidence.

At what point do we remove them for incompetence and/or complicity in this crime against America????

No investigation is necessary, right now we have enough evidence to lock Bush and cronies away for life. We just need to stop the machine.

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The FAA issued 52 warnings in the 105 days before 9/11

Recall the all important question: Where were the fighter jets?

The Excuse presented to the 9/11 Commission:
"US defenses were unprepared" !!!

52 warnings and they were unprepared! DING DING! Wake up!

Not one person was fired or held accountable.

The FBI agents that prevented the investigations received promotions.

One of the warnings was a CD-ROM to airports that mentioned suicide hijackers- yet Condi uttered that infamous, "I don't think anybody could have predicted..."

Rep Henry Waxman called for hearings, Is Condi incompetent or lying? Congress and the media bury it.

Condi's first thought: "What a terrible accident." --

Bush's first thought: "There's one terrible pilot." --


Bush took a vacation for a month, our defenses failed, and now Bush is a national hero?


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Bush withheld 52 warnings information until after the election!

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**If everything is so bad, why doesn't the media report this?

Because the function of the media is not to eliminate the evils of the world. Their job is to persuade us to accept those evils and get used to living with them.


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Why doesn't Congress say anything?

Because Congress is corrupt.

Recently House Democract Louise Slaughter compiled a 47 page pdf report - Death of Deliberative Democracy - that exposes that the Republican controlled Congress is wasting time naming post offices, then pushing through the major legislation without even reading it.

Frequently lobbyists write the bills and they are rammed through Congress in a matter of hours.

This Congress is a rubber stamp machine- they have completely failed in their duty to uphold the Constitution.

But what about the Democrats, why aren't they making some noise?

There are a few left, but the media just buries them.

Sadly, most of the Democrats in Congress are 'fake-left' stooges. Democrats in name only, to keep up the charade of a two-party government.

There is one party ruling America, and it is eerily reminiscent of the 1930s Germany.


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You post the most rediculous nonsense I've ever seen. Obviously copied straight from the Berkeley, CA type propaganda rags. Just pure left wing crazy's. Now there are also right wing crazy rags that put out the same kind of stuff against Democrats, against Clinton, Hillary, etc. I could post that garbage too, spin fact, post stats way out of context, etc., but I won't because I'm not a far right wacko. Unfortunately, the far left wacko's have you convinced Mo. But that doesn't mean the content of your "evidence" is worth anything, nor does your passion and emotion make it and more legit.

I'll give you an "A" for effort Mo, but that "A" for effort doesn't mean anything if you're climbing a tree to save a cat....and the cat's looking at you in amazement wondering why you're climbing a tree that's 3 trees down from him! LOL.

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