is that how you work? when people are sleeping.and i am not talking about your shallow atempt at poking fun ,at my medical condition and post in medical...

you gotta do better than that ,to get to me, pool boy.

best reguard's.....gary

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...and jenifer,please keep an eye on me. , gary

"Charles" is a former Lyme Program Officer at NIH. He was removed from his post in the mid 90's for harassing Lyme activists.

His real name is Dr Edward McSweegan PhD, and he is the person who was responsible for allocating millions of dollars of grant money to Steere and his henchmen in the early 1990's.

He also helped manipulate various prestigious medical bodies in the US to make sure they all conformed to the Steere camp line on LD.

He was also centrally involved in promoting the dangerous Lymerix vaccine.

He also writes science fiction , (I guess that's why he was made Lyme program officer).

Oh, - he's also a biowarfare expert,worked for the State Department in the 1980's as a scientist - diplomat (!), and stalked the director of the Lyme Disease Foundation in the 1990's (literally).

At the moment his favourite hobbies are conspiring to frame LLMDs, doing whatever he can to harm Kathleen Dickson (who exposed many evildoings of him and his Steerite friends), and issuing me with death threats (for similar reasons). When he is not doing the above, he is busy posting messages about how "fun" and "thrilling" it is to kill children in war (seriously), and telling the entire Lyme community that **they** are insane.

In short - just the kind of guy you'd love to meet down some dark alley one night. Not.
Lisa

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Originally posted by janet thomas:
I'm fairly new here. Can someone explain why Charles05 spreads misinformation? Does he get paid ?

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Now sue me Ed, you virus.

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Originally posted by Charles05:
my job as Newsgroup leader

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Not blatant disruption..at least not the kind that could get you kicked out..
just a little 'under the radar' antagonism for kicks.

..you'd like to stick around and divert attention from the legislation most likely to advance
Lyme literacy.

Which would make you a snake in the grass.

Mo

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Originally posted by Charles05:
Thank you Lymetoo, I was elected again this past June to another term.

As the largest lyme disease group on the net with people from around the world posting it is not a easy job. We have a few bad apples like the person above who will try and disrupt the newsgroup.

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Charles-In-Charge,

Wow, that's some responsibility you have! Just make sure you please keep the basketball off my lawn.

everyone here know's that i am not computer savy. don't know what or where a usenet is....so , eat me.

i don't even own a computer. everybody know's that ,also. sooo, eat me again.

i just love catching liar's. from what i have read about you,your a damn good one.....you can still ,eat me,liar..

now go scratch your %$^& and think up another line of b.s.....gary

...your real name is, mister ed? what does the e-d stand for?

Not a good idea for you. They may accidentally punch up your name and find out how you really are, oh wait....maybe they already have.

bad boy chuck, bad bad boy.

24-

Far too many parallels for comfort in todays Amurrrka..
In "Fascism Anyone?," Dr. Lawrence Britt, a political scientist, identifies 14 characteristics common to fascist regimes. His comparisons of Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Suharto, and Pinochet yielded this list of 14 "identifying characteristics of fascism."
1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
and let's not forget the failed "Bring 'em on!"
Military Will March Front and Center at Inaugural Festivities

2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
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The Actual FBI Memo (pdf) Referring to the Exec. Order Authorizing Use of Torture
U.S. oks evidence gained through torture.
Congress Moves to Cut Aid to Allies That Support World Criminal Court
The Bush administration has concluded for the first time that some non-Iraqi prisoners captured by American forces in Iraq are not entitled to the protections of the Geneva Conventions
House bill looks to legalize torture by foreign operatives
If the Senate confirms Alberto Gonzales as attorney general it will confirm that America is a country that supports and engages in torture of prisoners.
Ashcroft refuses to give Congress torture memo
July 1, 2003: U.S. Suspends Military Aid to Nearly 50 Countries: because they have supported the International Criminal Court and failed to exempt Americans from possible prosecution.
Outsourcing Torture: Contractors act as interrogators: Defense Department turned to private sources to question prisoners for intelligence gathering.
US has at least 9000 prisoners in secret detention
al-Qaida Detainees 'Disappeared' : At least 11 al-Qaida suspects have "disappeared" in U.S. custody, and some may have been tortured, Human Rights Watch said in a report issued Monday.
President Bush today distanced himself from his administration's quiet effort to push through a law that would make it easier to send captured terror suspects to countries where torture is used.
Guantanamo Eyes Possible Execution Chamber
Bush Civil Rights report released: "...the administration has failed to exhibit leadership or define a clear focus, relegating civil rights to a low priority."
Congress Pushes Penalties For Those Who Support The International Criminal Court: "The fact is, most Republicans want to see the International Criminal Court killed and see this as another nail in its coffin," one aide said in an interview last week.
Secrecy shrouds U.S. torture jet: The covert procedure, which must be authorized by a presidential directive, has gained little attention inside the United States.
3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
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Britain's War On Islam: "We Will Blow Your Son's head Off" they say. File may take a moment to load. Flash presentation.
Cheney warns that if Kerry is elected, the USA will suffer a "devastating attack"
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Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right
How U.S. Attorney-General, a Christian Evangelist With Anti-Islamic Views On Record, Is Waging War On American Muslims
Dr. James J. Zogby: A co-ordinated and bigoted assault The anti-Arab campaign being waged today in the U.S. is an organised multi-pronged effort targeting a variety of Arab leaders, institutions and Islam.
Congressman: Muslims 'enemy amongst us'
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Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
If you haven't seen the Oreo flash animation yet, see it here
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The Bush Administration issues medical guidelines that rape victims should just carry the child to term
Bush refuses to sign U.N proposal on women's "sexual" rights
Partial Birth Abortion Act of 2003 failed to provide any exception if a woman's health is at stake.
Justice Dept. Demands Abortion Records
W. David Hager chairman of the FDA's Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee does not prescribe contraceptives for single women, does not do abortions, will not prescribe RU-486 and will not insert IUDs. Hager believes that headaches, PMS and eating disorders can be cured by reading Scripture.
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GOP candidate approves of the execution of homosexuals
College Republicans Plan 'Straight Pride Week'
Bush calls for constitutional ban on same-sex marriages
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Conservative columnist discloses CIA operative's name, liberal reporters face jail time
Chain of TV and radio station donates $300,000 worth of airtime to GOP candidates for free last-minute political ads
Bush administration violated federal law by producing and distributing television news segments about the effects of drug use among young people. The GAO said the videos "constitute covert propaganda" because the government was not identified as the source of the materials
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Bush administration paid commentator $240,000 to promote their agenda.
In bed with the republicans and banning antiwar songs: Clear channel
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US seizes webservers from independent media sites
Fibbing It Up at Fox
If it's allowed to stand, an FCC ruling will feed media merger mania
Articles published by American outlets suppressed in their own country
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7.) Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
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GOP convention in a nutshell (quicktime)
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The exclusive church where Washington's conservative power brokers pray very consciously aims its ministry at the ruling class.
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Falwell says evangelical Christians now in control of Republican Party
Religious networks broadcasting Bush's White House prayer event
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Presidential Prayer Team
US is 'battling Satan' says general
US soldiers in Iraq asked to pray for Bush
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Off the Hook: Deferred Prosecution
Agreements On the Rise: Ten major American corporations settled serious criminal charges with deferred prosecution, no prosecution, or de facto no prosecution agreements over the last two years
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Halliburton, Bechtel, and the Carlyle group: Why were lied into war
Bush's talent for cronyism: foxes guarding the henhouse
Bush Administration Exempts Oil Industry From Clean Water Act
Controversial drilling method may be protected: Energy bill compromise would exempt 'hydraulic fracturing'
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Congress and the Department of Labor are trying to change the rules on overtime pay, eliminating the 40 hour work week, taking eligibility for overtime pay away from millions of workers, and replacing time and a half pay with comp days.
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Bush's new economic plan cuts funding for arts, education
NEA vows to undo President Bush's education programs
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Bush campaign chairman quits over illegal phone jamming
the 2000 election
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If Mussolini defines fascism as "the merger of corporate and government power" what does that make the Republican party?
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By the way, do they have good benefits over there? At least free costumes right?

does he sit down to piss? panties or thong? still breast feeding off his mommy?.....gary

chuck may once have been badly hurt a very long time ago.

chuck seems to have spent his entire life DEFENDING against EVER being hurt again, as seems apparently manifest.

Transcendental meditation to arrest it,seems in order, and its gonna be rough facing that which comes up from the dark within; it'll be a rough ride,IFF,allowed to be viewed, but that original hurt can be healed. The scar of the original hurt can be dissolved with the metaphoric enzyme-containing "honey bee venom" of one's choosing. No drugs,legal, or illegal, otc, or prescribed to "close the door" on the original hurt; and no usimg TM ITSSELF, to stuff it.

Face it naked, head on. Deal with it.
On average, its takes 2-4 years, but it can be done.

good luck on your inner journey, my friend.

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Originally posted by pmerv:
One thing at least you can say for Chuck - he has a sense of humor. Too bad humor is not usually what people come to sci.med for - they want help and they see mostly garbage, such as Chuck insulting mentally ill people and trashing LLMDs. Therefore we often refer people to LymeNet.

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Chuck has a sense of humor, but it's not funny.

His humor consists of things like calling the whole of LymeNet mentally ill, inventing disgusting porn stories about LLMDs, making fun of children who have lost their parents over Lyme issues, making fun of a woman whose child died of Lyme, saying that he hopes a Lyme activist who was jailed on trumped-up charges gets sexually assaulted in jail, and telling us that "drinks are on [him]" in celebration at the fact that the NY Times want to trash Igenex.

He's really not very funny, Phyllis.

I feel there are people here who are very fragile emotionally both because of their disease but also (perhaps even more so) because of the way mainstream medicine, and consequently friends, families, employers etc rejects them and denies their illness. Chuck's "humour" is the kind that can tip such a person over the line from just coping to suicide.

Just a few days ago a woman here became worse and posted that she no longer knew if she had Lyme or was just crazy. Fortunately some of the regular members got to her with comfort and advice, before chuck did with his "humour".

In the past, when new people blundered into the swamp that "Chuck", Nowakowski etc crated in sci-med, referring them here might have been a good idea.

But as Chuck is being allowed to run rampage here, and has also marshalled a small army of more subtle false aliases to help him throw mud at our good doctors and labs, pretty soon this group will look like sci-med and there will be nowhere for anyone to go for support and correct information.

I am tired of begging the moderator to kick chuck off. People seem to think that because this is the internet, we must allow any kind of behaviour no matter how hurtful it is to us. Imagine if LymeNet was a support group in the real world, not a virtual one.

Imagine we are all sitting around in a meeting hall or someone's home, and Chuck walks in and starts acting the way he does. Imagine you were chairing the meeting. Would you allow him to continue to sit among us and insult everyone in the room?

Or would you call the police to eject him?

And how would you feel if the police washed their hands and everyone had to continue the meeting with him jeering at their suffering?

I dare say Chuck does not have the guts to come and do that in a real physical meeting. I dare say that even some sick Lymies might somehow muster the energy to give his cranium, and the sidewalk, a real physical meeting. But here in cyberspace, hiding behind his false name, he can rest without fear.

For the moment.

Lisa

I have chronic Lyme disease, just trying to get better. Charles05, what do you gain from your venomous attitude?

who is "we"? are you speaking for everyone here?(lymenet)

lisa seem's that she has been beat up.more than likely she has.

but everything she sez,she can back up.she is truthful.

i figure she has been on the front line's of all this .

she might be a good example of late stage neuro lyme.don't you think so chuck?

you claim to have lyme.you must have read some about it.you seem quite smart,for a pool boy.

would not you agree with me,that lisa has late stage neuro lyme? well chuck?

or are you cured? you would be a great example ,to all us here,about how you are dealing with your lyme situation.this is a lyme website afterall.

sharing is caring....gary

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Ya know, this is a guy who speaks with 'forked tongue'. He tried to play nice around here at first, and as I said in another post, I even suffered the wrath of lymerayja to allow him to post his OT topics and have innocuous discussions. But knowing of his reputation elsewhere I knew it was a matter of time that he would slip out from underneath the radar detector and start to behave badly.

No, a different viewpoint or opinion doesn't make one a troll, Chuck. But to be quite honest, you don't exactly handle a differing opinion with grace and style. I have observed you in action at scimed, and you are, what some might call, verbally abusive to posters that hold a different opinion from yours.

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Originally posted by cootiegirl:
So as Glinda said in the 'Wizard of Oz'....be gone, before a house falls on you too!
cootiegirl

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And your little dog too!!!

Sorry just had to say that. I haven't a clue whats going on just thought I'd throw that in.

Now Glinda, the Good Witch of the North, was speaking to the Wicked Witch of the West when she said 'be gone, before a house falls on you too', in reference to the untimely death of the WWW's sister, the Wicked Witch of the East......

pain med's won't kick in for a while.but made me laugh...gary

As you have Lyme disease, can you please share what you have done to treat it? You appear to be of the opinion that Lyme disease is a hard to catch and easy to cure ailment. If this is true in your case, what draws you back to Lyme disease discussion boards when you are cured? Especially your posts are usually critical of patients and LLMDs alike and do not offer support or even your own experience as to what has cured you apparently so easily and quickly.

Yeah I know who said it. I know that movie backwards and forward. One of my fave's. I just thought it sounded good along with Glenda's line. I might not be hear long enouph to get in the discussion so I just dropped a little funny along with yours.

Has it anything to do with the fact that I won't join the ``pack'' to bad mouth 005? I haven't seen anything on this site that I would construe badly. Rayja dragged a post over from some other board claiming it was posted by 05. Now I don't know but seems to me it would be all too easy to join a board using someone else's name and post some trash, then cut and paste it over here and say, ``look how bad this guy is!''

If all this was happing to you, I'd hope you would appreciate me extending to you the benefit of the doubt.

easy enough.if you have lyme,how come you didn't take the cure?

simple question's,from a simple man..

seem's what you preach and what you do/say, are two differant thing's...
..........geden13 ,aka..gary.

ps. i use cap's....

I do know this about our friend Chuckie. When he's not on his sli.med board or over here making mess of himself, you can find him over at the wax museum fullfiling his ultimate fantasy with GW.

No, not a water boy or intern or anything like that. Chuckie dreams that they'll one day create a "Presidential Nose Picker Personal Assistant" position and that he'll get the job. Here's Chuckie at the wax museum doing what he does best.

i had surgery on my right knee and had a tissue biopsy for lym done. this came back highly positive for lyme disease.

could you please help me by telling me the proper abx treatment for this?

i also have two positive western blot's for quest lab's. no one will treat me.what schould i do?

i was treated with 4 week's of ceftriaxone over two and a half year's ago,i was told i was cured.who can i sue? after all,i was lied to and led to believe that i could carry on with my life.

i am in dire need of treatment,you think you could help a fellow lyme infected person?

if you don't have the answer,could you help to find it? i don't want to be lied to again ,by by people who say that 4 week's of abx,and i am cured.i know differant.and have the proof toshow it.

thankyou , gary