Jimbob was the longest term member using Buhner main protocol plus lots of adjucnt herbs from Buhner, without interruption. At least, that I know here in lymenet.
He got banned from lymenet, so if someone would like to ask him questions on Buhner adjuct herbs and main herbs , you'll have to go through the Yahoo forum.
I hope this is just temporary. Selma
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What happened? What Thread?
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Selma, are we to assume that JimBob received no warning or explanation for the banning?
I am really at a loss about what has happened this week....
How can we avoid getting ourselves into hot water if we don't know why OTHERS are being booted off here?
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JomBob? He was so helpful to me when I asked questions about Buhner and encapsulating my own capsules. His success is also an inspiration to others. What the heck is going on with these people?!
The "solution" is not banning anyone unless they actively harrass or threaten others, letting people say WHATEVER they want to say from their own experiences, and stop this obsession about "protecting" the newbies. People are smart enough to make up their own minds about treatment.
As for banning members and info to filter viewpoints, well, haven't we learned the danger and travesty of doing this from the politics of lyme disease that we ALL suffer from?
The moderators spearheading this "banning" campaign should stop filtering this board and alienating valuable members. They should also write JimBob and Sarah sincere apology emails begging kind and giving people like them to return to lymenet.
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i'm very disappointed and sad to learn of jimbob's banning as well! he welcomes everyone and has many PMs with folks telling them what he has done, and offers much advise.
please greet him for me, and tell him I MISS YOU JIMBOB!
have a SAFE AND HAPPY THANKSGIVING FOLKS! we are getting our 1st snowflurries right now; 1" already in 1 hr....not supposed to get more than that!
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JimBob rocks. I appreciate his involvement in LN and am disappointed to see him banned. It doesn't make sense to me.
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I agree. JimBob does not deserve to be banned. Someone is awful ban-happy lately. Bring back Jim Bob.
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Well, I'll tell anyone who's 'listening', this is terribly discouraging to know that a person can be banned for no known reason on this website!!!
How can we feel like we can even ask and get helpful answers when we need them??
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i think i know the thread responsible for jimbob's banning (it was a thread i started), and i thought his behavior in that thread was questionable. BUT. banned without warning?? it doesn't make sense. that was the very first time i'd ever seen jimbob act rudely toward anyone, maybe he was having a bad day, who knows. people should be politely INFORMED when a moderator thinks their conduct crosses a line, not just banned without explanation or warning. one strike and you're out? i just don't get it.
he's been really helpful to me personally and i really hope he's reinstated.
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I saw a couple of tiffs between JimBob & Sarah. Maybe the moderators are sending a message that they are sick of the bickering here and both participants will be banned without notice.
I just wish they would post a notice and tell everyone that is what they are doing so we don't have to speculate.
Anyway, they let Sarah back so maybe they will do the same for JimBob.
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who are the mods and why do we all blindly allow them to do as they please?
if this site is for open public discussion why is it open to the scrutiny of a select few people who dont seem to know a good member from a bad one?
yes, it is ridiculous that people keep getting booted for no apparent reason, but, even more ridiculous, that we, as lyme netters and lymies in general, allow it to happen.
WE are why this site exists, not them.
dont forget that
humbly,
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I guess Heiwalove is right, it was because some hard discussion in another thread, but I haven't contacted him after I got his email. I will soon, it's just that I'm busy with a deadline for a work I'm doing...
I don't think any of them received any warning, neither Sarah nor Jimbob, not that I know.
Maybe it's like LOOKING is saying, it's a SORT OF warning. I hope so, so that both Sarah and Jimbob get back soon!
For the ones starting on Buhner or with questions on adjunct herbs, just go to Yahoo forum for the time being, I'm sure he'll be there to answer questions, as he's a passionate!... Few people are on B's herbs for so long like Jimbob, so his experience IS valuable!
I myself 'weaned' from B's herbs as I got well after 2 years of continuous treatment (still knocking on wood). So now, it's only Jimbob that continues his path using and trying new B's adjuct herbs for the longest time in lymenet! I think, if my calculations are right, he's entering his 3rd year on different herbs.
Well, I'll send him your messages! Selma
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I think Jimbob should be reinstated too. He is a longtime member, very informative about the Buhner herb use. He deserves to be able to help others here and receive support too.
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I wrote an email to the president of lymenet, talking about the 'old' idea to divide the forum into medical and 'speculative'/ alternatives.
Or even, creating a space for hotter discussions, like someone else proposed in another thread.
I find lymenet loses everytime it loses an active member with first hand information on ANY mode of treatment whatsoever. Even if the ban is temporary...
I haven't seen Jimbob here today, so I suppose he's still banned.
I'm glad Sarah is back, that it was only temporary!
I hope Jimbob will be back too!!
I wished this 'division' in the forum already existed, so that things would be clearer... I like the term 'speculative medicine' that is used in the German forum for lyme disease.
There's no need to protect newbies that WANT to visit the part 'speculative medicine', right? If they go there, they know where they are getting into! Speculation!!
I'm not sure this would end the hot discussions (in the German forum, discussions there are still very hot), but it could be at least, a first thing to do to satisfy both sides:
- the medical part would get a bit 'clear' of 'alternativists' that make the level of lymenet go lower,
- while the 'alternative' people would go to 'speculative part' and be allowed to post into 'speculation'!
Some people would post in both, when they're not sure. I hope this would diminish the number of people getting banned!
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Thanks, Selma - I hope you will let JimBob know that many of us here really miss him and wish this had not happened.....
It seems that we all agree that some kind of warning should be in order, to both old and new posters alike that violate LymeNet rules. At least give members a chance to correct the error.
As I stated in my post on the thread about CaliforniaLyme, new people often mimic what the older posters are doing..... so if they see people being inconsiderate, unkind, or disruptive, they might think it's okay for them to do the same.
Wrong message.
I still disagree with dividing up the Medical Questions forum - simply because I think it will create more problems and not solve the ones we have already.
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Generally when forums have a 'hot topics' (ie "anything goes") section it tends to generate fighting that spills over into the other forums and makes for a less civil conversation all over.
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The "solution" is not banning anyone unless they actively harrass or threaten others, letting people say WHATEVER they want to say from their own experiences, and stop this obsession about "protecting" the newbies. People are smart enough to make up their own minds about treatment.
Amen!
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Thanks everybody for your opinions. I'm of the same opinion of Luvs, but the board is not, it seems!
I'm still so sad for Jim to be out. He was so useful for herbal users...
He wrote me and said that his PM is INACTIVATE. He can receive PMS but IS NOT ALLOWED to respond them!
Someone (an OLD MEMBER, not a newbie) wrote a PM to him asking advice to start on Buhner, because he wants to add herbs to his regimen. Well, Jim can't answer him.
He just told me to tell him to go to Buhner's forum, he'll answer questions there.
If anyone has questions to Jim, write in the B's forum then!
Jim received no warning, no explanation to this date. He just tried to post, and got a message saying "your posting abilities were removed" or something alike.
I know there are only few moderators to take care of the whole of lymenet, I know it's hard for them to keep explaining etc. I read the other thread.
The BASIC reason I'm proposing this separation is for people who POST on alternatives. People who read have no trouble in reading the discussions, right? But for people who post on alternatives, it can be very annoying. Many many times, people just leave.
I believe Jim left the board forever. I can't talk for him, but that's what I feel. I don't think he will come back too soon, even if allowed. I hope I'm wrong though.
He's been a help NOT only for newbies. Newbies usually go conventional. I myself did TRY to find a conventional doctor after falling sick, my daughter did abx before herbs, most do try conventional treatments FIRST, for what I see here.
But quite many OLD timers decide to shift protocols, or to do herbs adjunct to conventional stuff. So the thing 'protecting newbies' is not really THE issue, in my view.
That's why I think, if someone really wants to protect newbies, making a board called 'medical questions' AND a board called 'SPECULATIVE treatments' or so could be very interesting.
No excuse to protect newbies if he decides to go to 'speculative treatments', right? Anyone going there is going to 'speculation'! I even don't think this part will be visited much by newbies, but mostly by old timers!
I got no answer from anyone from lymenet either (I hope my spam software didn't cut their answer off.. ). I know it's hard for the administrators, as they are few and have their own lives, and the thousands of lymenetters to control...
Yes, Maria, maybe you're right. I'm just trying to figure out a way to keep members posting on alternatives coming with more FIRST HAND information on their treatments.
I would love to hear more about other modes of treatment, or how pshychology can keep us sick, more on light therapies, eye movement therapies etc...
The more I'm into my own treatment, the more I see lyme/ chronic disease is much more than a few critters to kill. Specially when one resolves the first worst symptoms. Solving the worst symptoms is rather 'easy' compared to what comes NEXT!
The main point is how to get rid of the last of symptoms, to be totally free from killers for months/ years. This is, for me, the realm where 'alternatives' can give us something MORE than conventional treatments... in my opinion of course.
I don't feel, for myself, that's easy to post about that here. I prefer to keep many things for myself, or to exchange private emails with a few of you that are open to it. Of course what I'm trying (my whole treatment) is speculative. But what's not speculative in chronic lyme treatment?
Now that I am in these last phases to regain health (my lyme doctor didn't find borrelia anymore, nor cysts in me), these 'alternative treatments' are the topics I'm interested.
I'm not totally healthy, I'm battling chronic fungi still. And my doctor found today that I have rikketsiosis, but not any other tick born pathogen anymore. At least, for now. So back I am to killers... I wonder what are rikketsiosis symptoms, I'll take a look into it now.
There are whole bunches of people here in different levels of lyme disease, and I find it would be nicer to keep a space for these people to discuss their 'speculative' treatments too...
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Selma, I happen to really like your idea of dividing the board into conventional/alternative. People usually already have a notion of which type of medicine they lean toward. It does seem that not very many on here are in favor of that, however.
Actually this is a really common practice on other boards so I don't know why it couldn't work here.
Jim Bob could certainly be a bit 'abrasive' at times. Can't we all!! But he did did have a wealth of knowledge about the Buhner protocol which was invaluable to many, especially those unable to afford an LLMD. I hope Lou will see fit to allow him back.
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Michelle, exactly! Not everyone can afford a LLMD! Or not everyone, like me, had ACCESS to one when I most needed! In Europe they are even more rare than in the US.
Buhner protocol and other altenative protocols may save lives! I'm not exagerating. I know I owe my life in great part to his book, at least, I felt less fear for my life after I started doing something by myself, BEFORE I could find proper help here.
It took me many months until I found good professional help (9 months!!). NO one of the conventional doctors wanted to treat me, they kept telling 'post lyme disease' again and again! I'm not sure I was going to make it without herbs. I'm really not sure.
So, losing a guy like Jim is a great loss, in my opinion. Cave came back, so I hope the moderators will allow Jim back soon.
Thanks for your support, anyway! Selma
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