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The following excerpt from a 2002 article written by a leading Infectious Diseases professor is just the latest in a long string of inadvertent "slips" unearthed by myself and others, revealing that far from a "hard-to-catch, easily-cured disease", Lyme is a dangerous biowarfare pathogen complex.
No doubt the official public health spin doctors will say, for the umpteenth time, that this is another "printing mistake" or another misunderstanding.
I think Lyme patients, however neurologically inflicted, could do without such insults to their intelligence. So please spare us, CDC, NIH, HPA and Detrick spokesmen.
Here is the quote:
"One of the most important aspects of responding to bioterrorism is the ability to rapidly diagnose patients. Diagnostic tests studied at USAMRIID range from rapid malaria testing to tularemia, Lyme Disease, and Marburg virus. 39-43 One pressing issue for a bioterrorist attack is to rapidly diagnose multiple agents simultaneously..." (Boldface mine)
from Proctor, RA, "The USA Preparing for Bioterrorism: the Role of Fort Detrick since 1970", Wisconsin Medical Journal 2002 Vol 101, No.2, p22.
For reprints of this article, contact WMJ Managing Editor at [email protected]
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WOW!
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Yeah, they probably have all of the information on what would cure us. Wouldn't they have to have this in place in case the persons who work with these bioweapons were involved in an accident?
Truly amazing find eight legs bad.
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Yep. The holocaust (literally) in your back yard...
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Hey 8legs - thanks for posting this. It's amazing all the lame excuses they have for mistakenly printing that Lyme is used as a biowarfare agent.
By the way I tried to pick up where you left off on Wiki a while back. I got the boot too
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I knew it was a bio-weapon.
We have a Primate Research Center about 20 miles from me.
There is where the C-6 Peptide test was developed.
There AIDs and Lyme are heavily studied.
Didn't you hear that Hitler was to drop ticks out of an airplane?
Wonder what those little vectors were carrying...
Hugs,
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I thought all of this was from a press release that was later recalled & they said it was a misprint?
Sometimes the author just copies the info from the press release. I don't remember who wrote the original press release or study that all of this comes from.
It's good to keep posting about it so those newly infected will get an idea of what they are dealing with.
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Truly frightening. But believable I'm afraid.
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8legs, have you bought PJ LANGHOFF'S new book, THE BAKER'S DOZEN...lunatic fringe?
it's all about the IDSA and she refutes things galore in this PACKED, smallest print 525 pages with over 1000 links given.
she recently sent 10 copies of her book and 8-10 page letter including 5 pages of links galore to ALL ON THE NEW PANEL to go over 06 IDSA guidelines!
2 days later, it was extended to april 16 or someting like that!
she will be having it available online book somewhere in future.
read her letter i posted in IDSA panel.... use her email address there to write her ok. her book would help you out tremendously in what you do...
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I have what some might say "access" to this kind of information. I can say though, that almost EVERY pathogen has been studied as a biological weapon by either the US or USSR at any given time. This does not necessarily mean it was engineered as such, or that it would even be viable weaponized. Most of this research is actually done for defense.
Lyme, or anything tick borne would be a horrible biological weapon for military use. Inefficient (Who will the tick bite, and when?), long duration before incapacitation. (Soldiers will keep shooting through the short term infection symptoms etc.), and indiscriminate (Will bite your guys too, civilians).
Its a lot easier to toss some anthrax, botulism, plague etc... if you really wanted to use a biological weapon. Of course, some will say it is being used as a "Control" on this country's own populace or that it targets "hippies" who spend time outside etc... I don't feel that's true. After all, 90% of US Army/Marine training takes place outside. You would not want your soldiers exposed to something that takes them out of commission in the long term.
Also, it is my personal belief based on the data I've seen, that a "miracle cure" is not waiting in some Ft. Detrick or Pentagon bunker. If it was, the government could release it and be deemed heroic by the entire medical, and lyme community. Even if Lyme escaped from Plum Island or some such, the most logical thing to do would be to find a cure as fast as possible, and make it a victory for the government and science together.
There is absolutely nothing gained by allowing vector-borne conditions to run wild in the public.
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If it's for population control, then what is to be gained by the powers that be is a softening up of the public before something like a worldwide flu gets released. My worst fantasy.
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quote:Originally posted by sparkle7: I thought all of this was from a press release that was later recalled & they said it was a misprint?
Hi Sparkle -
There was a press release with a CDC leak in it which was later recalled; there have also been several other, **different** sources uncovered each saying the same thing, including something I found tucked away on the NIH's own website a few years back. At that time they deleted the words "lyme disease" and claimed it was a mistake.
This quote is not connected with any of the other sources, but was written by a Wisconsin professor. It certainly is not a printing mistake - articles published in med journals undergo peer review, so they are read and checked by many experienced doctors before ever being published.
The reference given by the author relates to a study on Lyme in dogs done at Fort Detrick.
Lauren - thanks for trying at wikipedia. There is an organised mob of Steerites there deleting any good info on lyme. It would take a very concerted effort to get the truth up there - the wikipedia staff are being contacted by apparently prestigious medical people, and so they just assume those guys are telling the truth
Betty - I know of PJ Langhoff and actually planned to order her book from my local library so it will be accessible to many - thanks.
I noticed she mentioned that she believes Lyme is a biowarfare issue too.
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quote:Originally posted by bettyg: have you bought PJ LANGHOFF'S new book, THE BAKER'S DOZEN...lunatic fringe?
Just bought it from Amazon.com and started reading last night. I can't put it down.
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With all due respect when you take a quote out of its context it may look much different than it does within it. Also, like Blackstone said, though I'm not ruling OUT that Borrelia has been altered in some way and maybe ACCIDENTALLY got out, but as said above what would be gained by this?
It would be a population disabler (not control as in 'kill them off') because it's usually not a killer but a drainer on society as a whole, etc.
Ruling nothing out, but would need a bit more convincing and seeing quotes within their entire context before jumping to conclusions that potentially backfire and then really do make us look like a bunch of fringe lunatics if things are read into and interpreted in a way that is actually not really there.
Is it possible, like Blackstone said, that yes it's been studied and that is not a secret as it's readily admitted. But, where is the admissions that they (the evil powers that be) have a plan and what the plan is.
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Our government may not be aware, I like to blame everything on ISDA.
Arent they the ones who get all the funding? Arent they the one trying to profit from this illness?
They are pathologically obcessed with Lyme belonging to them.So they can profit from it.
They love control, and exploitation. Scarey how sick it is, and their manipulation
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Not sure how you got that from reading this paragraph. (?) The studying of a disease-causing bacteria or virus (incl it's Dx) because of it's possible use as an infectious agent in a bio-terrorist attack, does not in Any Way suggest or imply the origins of that particular microbe.
Anthrax was used repeatedly in U.S. Postal-based attacks on individuals & resulted in the deaths of several people. This was a classic case of bio-terrorism. But we know that anthrax has been around for centuries & was never man-made.
Lyme might very well be a good choice as a bio-terrorist pathogen, esp. certain virulent species causing debilitating neurological issues. I would even say it is Possible that it was briefly studied & toyed with at "that lab" on Plum Island.
But to blame Lyme's existance on the 'darker forces' that work within our human civilization is implausible at best. Especially in light of the positive DNA identification of this borrelia in older & older preserved samples of organic material from around the world, including Mayan artifacts in Central America (~500 A.D.) & animal hide samples in northern-central Asia/Russia (19th century)!
The race is now on- among those studying the borrelia's DNA sequence- to track it back to a particular area of the globe. BTW, I'm not a spokesman, just a "recovered" Lymie who enjoys reading any & all research literature on the topic.
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elena,
see my other post .... pj langhoff's open letter to public on idsa.
she talks about her NEXT book on MILITARY/lyme! now, that ought to be really enlightening!
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I sometimes worry that since so many people have a difficult time believing in Lyme in the first place, that they will also scoff at the idea that it is a bio-weapon or part of a military cover-up.
It may just be too far-fetched of an idea for many to grasp. In turn, I could see where that would compromise the integrity of the Lyme community making it all too easy to label us as "kooks".
Just my thoughts. Don't really know where I stand on the issue as I haven't done enough thinking about it. However, I will be first in line for PJ Langhoff's new book. I respect her point of view and she does do her research.
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re: But to blame Lyme's existance on the 'darker forces' that work within our human civilization is implausible at best. Especially in light of the positive DNA identification of this borrelia in older & older preserved samples of organic material from around the world, including Mayan artifacts in Central America (~500 A.D.) & animal hide samples in northern-central Asia/Russia (19th century)!
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There are hundreds of strains of borrelia. It's not a question that it has been around for a long time. The borrelia burgdorferi strain was named after the doctor who discovered it in 1982.
The question is why did it happen in the 1970's in Lyme CT...
Why was Lyme (as we know it now) unknown until then?
So much of the info about Lyme is based in a concept called "disinformation"... It seem pretty obvious if you study those sorts of things.
If you connect the dots - it doesn't seem all that complex of an assumption that Lyme is a form of bio-warfare.
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You are overlooking a significant fact which does not get enough attention: there are HUNDREDS of different strains of Borrelia. Some are less troublesome and may not cause any symptoms. Others may cause very specific joint and spine problems. In a perfect world, your DNA technology would be able to identify, backtrack and categorize all the strains of Bb going back to the Mayans and even before -- but also categorize the anomalies which presented artificially by man-made manipulation or natural mutation. But don't hold your breath on this feat. It ain't gonna happen!
Even doctors fall into similar traps by not differentiating among pathogens and their virulence. This is a huge problem for all involved! E.g., some bugs and their unique strains are worse than others - a hierarchy of pathogenetic evolution if you will. Nick Harris figured this out years ago. That's why Igenix gets so much attention. They're smart. And that's why the IDSA hates them.
Here's one of many links that may underscore this first point:
Genetic Diversity among Borrelia Strains Determined by Single-Strand Conformation Polymorphism Analysis of the ospC Gene and Its Association with Invasiveness
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sparkle- It "happened" back on Long Island in the late '60s (Read up) It "happened" in Central Europe in the 1890s, the 1920s... the 1950s. It "happened" in CA in the 1980s.
The ONLY thing that stands out about the lady calling up the authorities in Old Lyme CT in 1975 was thet she got certain academic ID specialists to agree with her that this was not just a coincidence of several juvenile arthritis cases in the 2 towns, but a more serious issue of a likely pathogen (Virus? Bacteria? They hadn't a clue) that was carried by Ixodes ticks in the area.
It wasn't til 6 or 7 years later that Willy B. said, "WAIT a minute!" as he peered into his dark-field microscope & pronounced discovery of a 'new' germ.
It didn't "start" in CT, Sparkle. It just got publicity. (Thank God)
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Can you post some reference to what exactly "it happened" is? I have no idea what you are referencing.
Alot of things happened on Long Island in the 1960's, etc...
I can post alot of references of biological warfare from those dates, too.
It's been going on for a long time now...
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Cold feet, I'm fully aware of the hundreds of strains worldwide. And I know it's a struggle to try to find the "original one" further up the tree. It my be too complex a distribution pattern now for the feat that these genetics scientists are attempting. But I have faith.
I'm just continually appalled at the quickness that many 'Americans' (especially) seem to jump to a conspiratorial theory to explain what they Think they "see".
As I said, it's Possible that the critters were studied & messed with on Plum Island, but I don't think those folk honestly gave this tick-borne illness, one that requires a 'vector innoculation' to spread, much of a chance to become a useful military tool for the reasons cited by a previous poster.
My gut says the "conditions" around these last few decades have made the environment (weather), ticks & hosts more favorable to the B.B's spread. And when U have more OF it around, you get more variations happening, including those strains that are more virulent.
The UOS film's animated world map depicted CT as Ground Zero. I submit that it will be another CONTINENT that will ultimately be shown to be responsible. But time will tell. Thanx for the responses. They keep us on our toes!
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Well, to start off, there's the family w/ 2 daughters on Long Island who both ended up coming down with late Lyme symptoms in their middle years. The oldst had an acute bout with a mystery illness as a child, complete with an expanding bullseye rash, causing severe arthritis & putting her in a wheelchair for a few weeks. Doctors where mystified. Happened in the late 1960s, according to both daughters. The youngest is now a TV anchorwoman in a state a few states south of New York. She put together an investigative report on the famly's plight which was on TV last year. I'll try to find you the link. More info to follow.
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Well, as far as I can see - Long Island is very close to Plum Island... It wouldn't surprise me if the ticks &/or Bb got there first.
Just read Michael Carroll's book "Lab 57". There's plenty of solid reference. He's a lawyer - it's not crack pot stuff.
Also, I started reading a very good book posted by 8 Legs Bad awhile back about the Japanese involvement in bio-warfare prior to WW2. I forget the full title (the book is upstairs & I'd have to go & get it).
So between Operation Paperclip & the Japanese research - it's not a stretch. A German Nazi scientist was running Plum Island after WW2... Read about Operation Paperclip. It's not fiction.
There is plenty of credible reference for Lyme to be a bio-warfare agent...
BTW - they are closing Plum Island facility since it's so prone to leaks. It's not a new idea that the place is not safe for doing the kind of research that goes on there.
There have been plenty of articles in the local press about it. The place has been run down for a long time.
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Her we go, Sparkle. 1967. The summer the Fab 4 put out Sgt Pepper. Long Island, New York. Take a watch. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfiQ1LhwgGU>
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Yup... I've heard that place is a mess. Good RIDDANCE!
As I'd posted on another thread before: the large rat & mouse populations in NY in the early 20th century and the importation of Central European furs (& animals) into New York harbor- that were recorded in olde trade documents during that same time period, are what was making some investigators think this is how it got "started" here in the U.S... especially once they found the "smoking gun" of B.B. DNA found in some of the preserved hides from NY museums.
But, honestly, I think the "plague" of BB started with many 'brush fires'- pockets of BB & it's variants. And it's probably still "arriving". Posts: 1233 | From Dover, NH | Registered: Sep 2008
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I wrote a long reply to many of the points raised here and then it all evaporated before I got a chance to hit the send button. Never mind...I'll write it again when I get a moment.
In the meantime, Kete-tracker - a question for you. Sure, there's plenty of old European literature on what we now know is Lyme. However -
...How much of it relates to ***Neurological lyme*** prior to the Second World War era?
Precious little, in my experience - but plenty afterwards. Why?
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Hi Kete-tracker, I can't get the youtube link to work. I'm getting this message."The URL contained a malformed video ID."
Is anyone else having trouble?
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imagine- When you carefully "drag-highlight" & 'Copy' the link, make sure you have everything withIN the brackets dark, but neither < or > included. Then 'Paste' it into a new (I.E., Firefox, etc.) browser's address field & click 'Go'.
Or, just CAREfully type in the whole URL. You don't have to bother w/ the hypertext prefix... just start with the www. Good luck!
Elena- U make a good point. But we DID have a population boom as well as the first real uptick in winter temps post WWII. For example, downtown Concord NH was REGULARILY down to 30 below in early Jan. for a few dawns up thru the 1930s. By the late '50s, it Rarely dipped below -20F. NOW it Rarely gets to -10F! Ticks are known to survive warmer winters better. (Field mice, too.) I think It's all about our changing environment along with the never-waning efforts of organisms to survive.
I hear reports of Lyme in Yarmouth NS, now. There ya go!
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Very good thread going here. Very interesting.
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re: "especially once they found the "smoking gun" of B.B. DNA found in some of the preserved hides from NY museums"
Are you sue it was Borrelia burgdorferi? There are many strains & variants of diseases caused by spirochetes.
In the mid-1970s, a geographic clustering of an unusual rheumatoid arthritis-like condition was reported in Connecticut.
This syndrome, Lyme disease, proved to be a newly recognized disorder characterized by some or all of the following mainfestations: an initial erythematous annular rash, flu-like symptoms, neurologic complications, and arthritis in about 50% of untreated patients.
In the United States, the disease occurs primarily in three geographic regions including the Northeast, Midwest, and far western parts of California and Oregon.
These areas include the ranges of various species of Ixodes ticks, the primary vector of Lyme disease.
Lyme disease is now the most common tick-transmitted illness in the United States and has also been reported in other parts of the Northern hemisphere, particularly in western Europe.
In the early-1980s, a novel spirochete, called Borrelia burgdorferi, was isolated and cultured from the mid-gut of Ixodes ticks, and subsequently from patients with Lyme disease.
B. burgdorferi resembles other spirochetes in that it is a highly specialized, motile, two-membrane, spiral-shaped bacteria which lives primarily as an extracellular pathogen.
One of the most striking features of B. burgdorferi as compared with other eubacteria is its unusual genome, which includes a linear chromosome approximately one megabase in size and numerous linear and circular plasmids.
Long-term culture of B. burgdorferi results in a loss of some plasmids and changes in expressed protein profiles.
Associated with the loss of plasmids is a loss in the ability of the organism to infect laboratory animals, suggesting that the plasmids encode key genes involved in virulence.
B. burgdorferi may persist in humans and animals for months or years following initial infection, despite a robust humoral immune response.
B. burgdorferi is susceptible to antibiotics in vitro, however, there are contradictory reports as to the efficacy of antibiotics in vivo. Consequently, considerable attention has focused on the development of a vaccine for Lyme disease.
Current evidence suggests humoral immunity plays an important role in prevention of infection and resolution of disease; however, one of the difficulties in developing a meaningful strategy for immunization is that it is not understood what aspects of humoral and cell-mediated immunity are required to counter established infection.
Because of its importance as a human and animal pathogen and the value of complete genome sequence information for understanding its life cycle and advancing drug and vaccine development, TIGR sequenced the genome of the type strain (B31) for B. burgdorferi using the random sequencing method previously described (Fleischmann et al., 1995; Fraser et al., 1995; Bult et al., 1996; Tomb et al., 1997).
The isolate of B. burgdorferi 31 used for this project contains a total of 12 linear and 9 circular plasmids.
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PS - This is from Craig Ventner's website - Why do you suppose out of all of the bacteria in the world... that this bacteria was one of the first whose genome was studied?
Seems kind of odd...
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Hi Folks
Kete- had posted about a large pop. of rats and mice in the 1920's. The year that lyme broke my back was a year I was in the process of declaring an old building across the street as condemed,and ordered it to be burnt or torn down.
That place was full of rats, durning the day they would play around an old car that sat out side of the building.
With in one month of going in there I became very sick. Too make a long story short ,it was April,and by May I was not able to do anything.
When my tests came back from Igenexs they showed positive for lyme,one old infection for babs(no longer active),and a active infection to babs.
When the building was removed,the rats moved into homes in our area. I was so afraid of them .
At night I would shoot them in my shop,with a 22.
They had dug under the foundation of our house ,so I filled all of the rat holes with concret. They came into our basement as a way out. I used traps and poison to kill them all. I shot one with a pellet gun pistol downstairs,and watched fleas jump off it.
We do have a problem,that I don't think will ever be fixed. I look back on that now and know I was reinfected because of those rats. We lost the house 2 years after that.I wonder how the new owners are getting along.
I am not sure about all the talk of conspirice(spelling) Do You think it might be better in the form of PM messages?
There are ones who watch this board,and it would not take much for them ,too start calling us alarmests.
We are thought of as nuts anyway,why give them more ammo?
I don't think there are one of us Who could ever prove it in a court of law.Just a thought (thanks for all You do)
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There are books written by reputable people who do valid research. It's not stuff people make up to cause controversy.
"Lab 257" is about Plum Island & illness that may be associated with it. It was written by a lawyer. It's not fiction. He proves his point by valid research.
Rats & other small mammals can carry ticks. The question is where did the ticks get exposed to Bb? Rats also carry fleas with the plague & other ailments but very few people are getting the Black Death these days.
There are many gov't agencies in many countries that work with pathogens & bio-warfare. In goes on in secret but we pay for it in this country with our tax dollars. If something goes wrong - they probably will not notify the public. Especially, if it a top secret project.
It's not sci-fi or crackpot conspiracy stuff. It happens all of the time.
Within the last few weeks, bird flu was almost released into the public in Eastern Europe & a scientist stuck herself with a needle full of Ebola... I can sight the news reports about these 2 things that happened very recently.
There is a long history of the gov't experimenting on people in the military & the public with & without their knowledge or consent.
Accidents do happen. The court is fickle & just because something goes to court doesn't mean it proved innocence or guilt.
The reason that this is important is because we do not know how to fight Lyme or the co-infections. Every step of the way is fraught with controversy from diagnosis to treatment to disability insurance.
I don't know any other disease that is treated in this manner except maybe Fibromyalgia & CFS which may be related.
We need to know the truth so we can find a way to get better.
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I am very sorry if I offended You,that was not My intention. appleseed
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You know, I just remembered that my ex, who was a military officer, used to be repeatedly briefed by his commanders to check for ticks. I always though, "well, that's kinda crazy" but maybe there was something to it...
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jt345 - I'm not sure who you are referring to. I was not offended in the least. I just want people to know about this aspect of Lyme...
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Can anyone explain why most of us have the exact same co-infection such as bart, babs erlichia etc?
The same co-infect can be found on the east coast, west coast, northeast and southeast. It certainly doesn't sound random to me.
Anyone have an explanation? Sure sounds like they came from the same source to me,
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Leelee
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glm1111, this is off-topic, but I love the quote in your signature.
It is spot-on.
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Sorry, I could not disagree more. How is it that this little bug (actually many different vectors, documented extensively) could carry so many different kinds of pathogens that are harmful to humans? Read any of the books mentioned in this topic, and you may not have that question -- but others instead.
Sure, many animals carry many different kinds of bugs. But how many carry a NUMBER of DIFFERENT bugs (and/or other pathogens) that are so harmful to human beings! I touched on this earlier...or at least I tried.
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I would like to add something by saying to those who think we should not contemplate discussions of the military aspects of Bb, that I don't believe that in doing so we bring accusations of alarmism and craziness on the movement. Not at all.
Most people, ordinary blue collar down to earth folk, don't blink an eyelid when the suggestion is put to them that Bb is a bug that was designed accidentally or intentionally, or was something that escaped. They already have an intuitive knowledge that we are continually being lied to by our governments.
Anyone with a normal IQ these days seems to be cynical and yet at the same time accepting of the state we are in - a world where spin is widespread, pouring from politicians and leaders' mouths, that they are quite used to the status quo - which is that we are being told nothing approaching the truth.
After all, a million people marched in London to show that they didn't want the UK to go into Iraq, but it had no effect at all on the military/government decision to invade.
Most people know that our so-called democracy only works on a superficial level, a sort of pretend democracy.
The most important decisions are never made by the voters.
Also, for our own good, we will never be told what the real dangers are. We are all like little kids, when it comes to being told of what's going on and we must be protected from the truth in case we panic.
Well, a country gets the government it deserves, and until we show some bravery and curiosity and a lot more interest in politics and truth, then we will continue to be led by the nose.
If the IDSA eventually come up with some weak and woolly minor changes to their useless guidelines, then we will know that the decision was already made, and the review process has been a pantomime.
A disease as bad as AIDS, being pushed under the carpet? what an earth can be going on? There should be ID medics going on TV to warn the citizens, not trying to make out there's no problem.
For too long now, there's been something beyond what we know of, controlling the media on this issue. The very fact that so many lies and so much cover-up and intrigue have happened points to a massive bad secret, don't you think?
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I forgot to add: I believe we should be more alarmist, not less.
What's wrong with being alarmed at the dreadful mess this disease is making?
Until the average person on the street becomes as worried as I am about the spread of vector-borne diseases, until then, we are going to remain crying in the wilderness.
Not until there is general widespread discussion about the tenacity of these cell-wall deficient organisms which are causing so much widespread affliction, will there be any hope of treatment.
The governments, or whoever controls us, has been happy for the last 50 years to keep this under wraps, with only the very wealthy and some of the intelligentsia being able to have their infections treated. Most of us on here have no idea when we will be able to get better, or where the next round of treatment will come from. And it makes me alarmed, not just for myself and my family, but for the next generation.
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IMO, talk of conspiracy does not help our cause right now. We first need to convince people, and docs and politicians, that chronic Lyme is REAL, devastating, and reaching pandemic proportions.
Let's not forget the importance of DEER in the Lyme equation. Without deer, there would be no adult ticks. Without adult ticks, there is no reproduction and the ticks would die out.
There are more deer now in Connecticut than there were when the pilgrims landed. Why? No predators, greatly expanded habitat (forest clearings aka suburbia), and endless supply of food (gardens).
I would guess that the rodent population has also increased exponentially, since rodents follow people. So given that the host animals have increased exponentially, and the host animals are literally in our back yards, you can see how the ticks carrying Bb have also exploded. Pam Weintraub in her book Cure Unknown clearly sees this as the cause. I saw one of her posts where she pretty much dismissd the idea of a bioweapon conspiracy.
Another thing that I have not seen talked about is the fact that one of these host species, the field mouse, not only lives in our backyards, but in our homes. Anyone who has ever had mice in their homes, has also had ticks in their homes.
As you read this now, there could be critters 3 feet behind you behind the wall, under the sofa, dropping little nymphs ready to hitch a ride on someone's foot. Just a thought.
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i don't really care what others think, this is critical information in regard to recovery. sufferers need to know what they are dealing with.
mycoplasma fermentans is a known biological weapon. it is often found in chronic "lyme" cases, and often there undetected.
perhaps the weaponized organisms are both identified and unidentified ingredients of the infectious soup that those of us most ill are dealing with.
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Deer & small animals aren't the problem... It's humans.
If you don't consider what we are dealing with - how can you ever get well? All of this is changing people's epigenetics & I'm sure it will be passed down to future generations. It's already happening!
They won't be telling you this on Oprah or CNN... Pam Weintraub has done a great job getting the word out but I don't agree with some of the things she believes about Lyme.
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Leelee
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Other mammals are going extinct. What's to say this isn't the beginning of our slow demise?
I am not a pessimist at all, but with global warming as a factor in not killing ticks over winter, deer overtaking us, insurance not paying for our illness, only a few doctors willing to treat us, mothers passing the disease to their unborn children, maybe this is the beginning of the end.
I don't mean to upset or offend anyone, but I do think about this sometimes.
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